Lacking Substance - NPCs

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#1

decoytph

Sep 03, 2003 17:18:08
I love Dragonlance. With that out of the way...

I haven't read the past few (dozen) trilogies and I'm absolutely aghast at what's happened since I've stopped reading. "Afflicted" Kenders? Second Cataclysm? Paladine and Takhisis dead?

Okay, well, fair enough, the world spins even if I stop reading about it. My complaint is that I'm planning on starting up a campaign with a group of players and I don't even have the choice of running it in an earlier setting than where the books leave the Dragonlance world off.

Oh sure, the book has a 2-page section section on playing in the "War of the Lance" era but that doesn't come anywhere near the kind of information a GM should posess to be able to effectively put his or her players into that magical world.

Where's the NPC stats for the Heroes of the Lance? Some of the descendants of the original heroes are covered but not the fab-7 (if memory serves)? As far as I've read, I've only seen a few blurbs about Dragon Orbs when they covered quite a few of the other unique magical items that have a rich history in the world of Krynn. The Orbs were always fascinating in my view and they barely get a mention.

Sorry to rant but I feel like so much material was left out. Part of my dissapointment in the product is that so much has changed since I stopped reading, but nothing that good can last forever I suppose, eh?
#2

Dragonhelm

Sep 03, 2003 17:21:04
Never fear, for Sovereign Press will be releasing War of the Lance next summer to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Dragonlance!

I imagine the NPC stats for the Heroes of the Lance will be inside.

Wow, can you believe it guys? Twenty years of Dragonlance.
#3

zombiegleemax

Sep 03, 2003 17:25:09
Paladine is not dead, just mortal.

I suggest that if you want to play War o the Lance then go get the second edition camp and convert it to 3rd ed =)

Otherwise you are SOL =D
#4

decoytph

Sep 03, 2003 17:31:32
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Never fear, for Sovereign Press will be releasing War of the Lance next summer to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Dragonlance!

v3.5/D20 compatible product? I'm dissapointed it will require another purchase to get what I feel should have been canon material included in the campaign setting.

Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
Paladine is not dead, just mortal.

I suggest that if you want to play War o the Lance then go get the second edition camp and convert it to 3rd ed =)

Okay, I was sure I'd read that Paladine sacrificed himself once Takhisis was killed, to maintain the balance of good and evil. Perhaps I misunderstood the text.

And converting from 2nd Ed to 3.5 would probably be twice the work of making up my own stats. =)
#5

Dragonhelm

Sep 03, 2003 17:41:16
Originally posted by DecoyTPH
v3.5/D20 compatible product?

All DL gaming products are/will be 3.5 compatible.


I'm dissapointed it will require another purchase to get what I feel should have been canon material included in the campaign setting.

There have been several people who feel as you do. As you say, though, the world does continue on. The designers wanted to focus on the here and now to get you started in the modern era of play.

I'm not sure how the DLCS could have contained all the info that everyone wants it to have. One person will want full details on the current era of play. Another will want full details of the WotL. Another will want a completely exhaustive geography section.

It's just not possible to contain all of this and have it at a reasonable price or at a reasonable size and also contain all the detail everyone wants.

Personally, I would rather have the second sourcebook so that there can be a good amount of detail on the WotL that is both comprehensive and accurate.

Okay, I was sure I'd read that Paladine sacrificed himself once Takhisis was killed, to maintain the balance of good and evil. Perhaps I misunderstood the text.

He sacrificed his godhood since Takhisis' was stripped from her. Takhisis died shortly after she lost her godhood.
#6

shugi

Sep 03, 2003 17:47:35
I understand your feelings about what "should have" been in the core book, but the timeline has progressed and they have to reflect that in the game material. I'm looking forward to the WotL very much, but you can use the majority of information in the DLCS as is, or with a minor tweak here & there.

Forgive me for asking, but are you going to use the Heroes of the Lance in your game, or did you just want their stats? In either case, the Dragonlance website has some basic information.

As for Paladine, he sacrificed his godhood to maintain the balance. He didn't off himself once Takky was dead, though.
#7

zombiegleemax

Sep 03, 2003 17:53:40
v3.5/D20 compatible product? I'm dissapointed it will require another purchase to get what I feel should have been canon material included in the campaign setting

I wouldn't have expected to buy the DLCS and find the War of the Lance covered in detail within. Nor did I expect to find the days prior to the Cataclysm or the Dwarfgate War covered in detail within the book. I pretty much got what I expected, a campaign guide detailing with the current world events of the setting. Why should have it been cannon? These events happened over forty years ago...

I guess it is much like when buying the FRCS, I didn't expect it to be set and detailing the Time of Troubles or the Empire of Netheril, I expected it to be set in the current timeframe.

I agree wholeheartedly with Trampas, the WoTL should be covered in it's own sourcebook and not lumped together in a single book. That way I know the writers have devoted their full attention to that era setting rather than switching between the current and the older setting.

Arandur
#8

decoytph

Sep 03, 2003 19:02:33
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
It's just not possible to contain all of this and have it at a reasonable price or at a reasonable size and also contain all the detail everyone wants.

I realize they can't include everything. It was simply my take on the book as someone who knows nothing about the current era. If memory serves, the Revised D20 Star Wars Core Rulebook covered multiple eras and included stats and a writeup for each character/NPC through each era (presuming they were still alive to progress to the next). I suppose that's what I was expecting when I picked the Dragonlance setting book up.

Originally posted by Multiple Nice People
Takky is no longer a god, and is dead. Paladine is no longer a god, but still alive.

Thanks, glad to know one of the two is still around in one puttering form or another. ;)

Originally posted by Shugi
Forgive me for asking, but are you going to use the Heroes of the Lance in your game, or did you just want their stats? In either case, the Dragonlance website has some basic information.

I'm not really sure what I intended to do with the information. Maybe have the player party run into one NPC or another but probably avoid any real mingling of the two. It was more for my own information and interest than anything. I'll be sure to check out their site for some NPC info.