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Fates of Two Highlords

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#1
carteeg
Sep 04, 2003 6:59:51 [Carteeg staples a cliche opener into the start of his post]

Pardon me if this was answered somewhere (whether in the posts or on one of the websites) but

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I was trying to hunt down the fates of two of the highlords from the War of the Lance: namely Lucien and Salah-Khan. The most I've been able to find (or remember) is the section of the DLCS which talks about how a knight of Solamnia freed Khur from the Dragonarmies (I think during the years after the climax of chronicals). Now, I figured if Salah-Khan was still alive, that might be a hinting to his downfall at that time. But of course since he isn't mentioned by name that is just a guess.

As for Lucien, the amount of info I've been looking through has turned up zip.

Is there anything official/cannonical/etc on them?
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 04, 2003 7:15:12 Check out jonesy's (I think it's him) sig-link. He has some mighty good information on the Highlords, among other things.

But basically, Lucien and Salah-Khan don't appear to have been extremely well fleshed out - At least, not like Verminaard, Ariakas, Kitiara, and Toede. From my perspective, they're juicy story material, very good for any sort of campaign you'd want to run.

However, I think they technically died at the end of Chronicles, when the temple of Neraka sorta collapsed/reformed and Kitiara took advantage of the chaos to do some rival-slaying. But that's easily ignored, if you like. Not very clearly mentioned, anyway.

I could be wrong, ofcourse. But I think that's what I discovered since, like you, I was wondering about those two.

Best of luck!
#3
jonesy
Sep 04, 2003 7:22:28
Originally posted by The Udjat
Check out jonesy's (I think it's him) sig-link. He has some mighty good information on the Highlords, among other things.

Well I don't, but Uziel does. ;)
#4
carteeg
Sep 04, 2003 7:31:03 Thanks.

Next question then. In the years between the WotL and Blue Lady's War, you have those maps showing the different regions controlled by the Dragonarmies (usually labeled 'Post-War Map'). Did ultimately Kit control them all until the attack on Palanthus? Or were there successors to the respective Highlords governing each of those locations?
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 04, 2003 7:36:59 I would guess that there were successors, althoguh I can't say with any certainty. There are plenty of power-hungry folks out there, an undoubtedly a large number survived the Neraka 'incident'. But Kitiara's was the strongest, ofcourse, while the others were likely dealing with interior mutinee, disorganization, and ofcourse - being routed by local armies.

Just my guess.
#6
carteeg
Sep 04, 2003 7:40:19 Thank you again.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 04, 2003 7:42:32 No problem.
#8
sweetmeats
Sep 04, 2003 9:45:38 Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)?
#9
jonesy
Sep 04, 2003 10:03:21
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)?

I don't think that any of the Highlords could have gotten into the knighthood when Ariakan was in charge. And after the Chaos War there wouldn't have been many of them left.
#10
kalanth
Sep 04, 2003 11:00:01
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)?

I always interpreted it that the Knights of Takhisis would continue to use the Dragon Lords as more of an "enlisted" leadership. Kind of like the US military has NCO's (non commisioned officers) to pull the leadership role on a more personal level with the enlisted personel.
#11
morgion-s_claw
Sep 05, 2003 3:34:12 I think that after the death of Ariakas, there wasn't a central leader of all dragonarmies anymore.
Surviving Highlords retreated to their conceded lands and tried to stay in position. Kit was surely the most capable of the Highlords (especially with all the others presumably dead in the collapse of the temple), but I think she "just" had the Blue Dragonarmy under her command.
The other armies surely started to fall apart, some powermongrels bickering over the title of an Army Highlord, dragons loosing interest with the force behind this yoke of human masters, Takhisis, gone or at least her interest greatly diminished, would have surely slipped away one by one, searching new lairs or returning to their old lairs.

Shortly those areas under control of the dragonarmies would be nothing but a more or less coherent group of brutal pillaging troops oppressing the population not willing to cooperate.

I think it was said somewhere in the DoSF that the Knights of Takhisis even wiped out former companies of the dragonarmies and executed their leaders for their crimes.
No, the KoT in their glorious days would surely have none to do with those bloodthirsty rabble. It was the refusal and the rebuke of the "old ways" in the service of the Dark Queen that lead to the KoT as a radically new approach. No love lost between them!

My two pence
M's Claw

P.S. Later, in the fifth age, it was heavily indicated that the KoT fell rapidly short of their high ideals and again plunged into the pool of the scum with some "traditionalists" ranting about the younger knights not worthy of this rank...

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#1 carteeg Sep 04, 2003 6:59:51	[Carteeg staples a cliche opener into the start of his post] Pardon me if this was answered somewhere (whether in the posts or on one of the websites) but ____ ____ I was trying to hunt down the fates of two of the highlords from the War of the Lance: namely Lucien and Salah-Khan. The most I've been able to find (or remember) is the section of the DLCS which talks about how a knight of Solamnia freed Khur from the Dragonarmies (I think during the years after the climax of chronicals). Now, I figured if Salah-Khan was still alive, that might be a hinting to his downfall at that time. But of course since he isn't mentioned by name that is just a guess. As for Lucien, the amount of info I've been looking through has turned up zip. Is there anything official/cannonical/etc on them?
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2003 7:15:12	Check out jonesy's (I think it's him) sig-link. He has some mighty good information on the Highlords, among other things. But basically, Lucien and Salah-Khan don't appear to have been extremely well fleshed out - At least, not like Verminaard, Ariakas, Kitiara, and Toede. From my perspective, they're juicy story material, very good for any sort of campaign you'd want to run. However, I think they technically died at the end of Chronicles, when the temple of Neraka sorta collapsed/reformed and Kitiara took advantage of the chaos to do some rival-slaying. But that's easily ignored, if you like. Not very clearly mentioned, anyway. I could be wrong, ofcourse. But I think that's what I discovered since, like you, I was wondering about those two. Best of luck!
#3 jonesy Sep 04, 2003 7:22:28	Originally posted by The Udjat Check out jonesy's (I think it's him) sig-link. He has some mighty good information on the Highlords, among other things. Well I don't, but Uziel does. ;)
#4 carteeg Sep 04, 2003 7:31:03	Thanks. Next question then. In the years between the WotL and Blue Lady's War, you have those maps showing the different regions controlled by the Dragonarmies (usually labeled 'Post-War Map'). Did ultimately Kit control them all until the attack on Palanthus? Or were there successors to the respective Highlords governing each of those locations?
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2003 7:36:59	I would guess that there were successors, althoguh I can't say with any certainty. There are plenty of power-hungry folks out there, an undoubtedly a large number survived the Neraka 'incident'. But Kitiara's was the strongest, ofcourse, while the others were likely dealing with interior mutinee, disorganization, and ofcourse - being routed by local armies. Just my guess.
#6 carteeg Sep 04, 2003 7:40:19	Thank you again.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2003 7:42:32	No problem.
#8 sweetmeats Sep 04, 2003 9:45:38	Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)?
#9 jonesy Sep 04, 2003 10:03:21	Originally posted by SweetMeats Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)? I don't think that any of the Highlords could have gotten into the knighthood when Ariakan was in charge. And after the Chaos War there wouldn't have been many of them left.
#10 kalanth Sep 04, 2003 11:00:01	Originally posted by SweetMeats Did the Highlords change to become the Knights of Takhisis or did the followers of the Dark Queen just not bother with the Highlords anymore and just concentrated on their revised forces (The Knights)? I always interpreted it that the Knights of Takhisis would continue to use the Dragon Lords as more of an "enlisted" leadership. Kind of like the US military has NCO's (non commisioned officers) to pull the leadership role on a more personal level with the enlisted personel.
#11 morgion-s_claw Sep 05, 2003 3:34:12	I think that after the death of Ariakas, there wasn't a central leader of all dragonarmies anymore. Surviving Highlords retreated to their conceded lands and tried to stay in position. Kit was surely the most capable of the Highlords (especially with all the others presumably dead in the collapse of the temple), but I think she "just" had the Blue Dragonarmy under her command. The other armies surely started to fall apart, some powermongrels bickering over the title of an Army Highlord, dragons loosing interest with the force behind this yoke of human masters, Takhisis, gone or at least her interest greatly diminished, would have surely slipped away one by one, searching new lairs or returning to their old lairs. Shortly those areas under control of the dragonarmies would be nothing but a more or less coherent group of brutal pillaging troops oppressing the population not willing to cooperate. I think it was said somewhere in the DoSF that the Knights of Takhisis even wiped out former companies of the dragonarmies and executed their leaders for their crimes. No, the KoT in their glorious days would surely have none to do with those bloodthirsty rabble. It was the refusal and the rebuke of the "old ways" in the service of the Dark Queen that lead to the KoT as a radically new approach. No love lost between them! My two pence M's Claw P.S. Later, in the fifth age, it was heavily indicated that the KoT fell rapidly short of their high ideals and again plunged into the pool of the scum with some "traditionalists" ranting about the younger knights not worthy of this rank...