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AoM High Sorcery

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2003 16:40:51 So can anyone answer me this. I just got my age of mortals sourcebook, and it tells of Dalamar and Jenna looking to restart the order, but at this point in time is anyone enforcing the tests? Are there tests being run at all? I haven't had a great deal of time to read the book yet, so I was hoping someone here could give me some insight.

Thanks :D
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2003 18:52:06 Nobody knows the answer here?
#3
Dragonhelm
Sep 05, 2003 19:12:14 At this point in time, Jenna and Dalamar are recruiting. They're getting together what WoHS existed prior to the Chaos War to re-establish the order. It's going to be a while before they have a foundation, much less run the Test.

We also have to wonder if there will be a Test at all. After seeing how Wild Sorcery has worked for roughly 20 years with some of the sorcerers not taking the Test (the ones at the Tower of Wayreth still did), then maybe that will be rethought.

Look for "Wizard's Conclave", a new book by Douglas Niles, which should be available in 2004, IIRC.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2003 19:26:27 So as it stands right now (the way the book is supposed to imply). If i'm playing a wizard in the timline presented in AoM, then there is no place for me to take a test, much less anyone to inforce it?
#5
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 05, 2003 20:52:23 You don't have to be IN a Tower to take the Test. There are various wizards and small collections of wizards and newly established/re-established schools outside the actual Towers (Tower I should say) where a wizard could take their Test. But it's up to you (the DM) to determine how hard or easy it is to find them or if their is a wizard or group of wizards high enough level to administer it.
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2003 23:33:10 Cool, so exactly how hard are they policing it right now?
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 06, 2003 0:31:15 I would divide the older generations of Ansalon’s magic-users into two distinct ideologies: progressives and tradition-bearers. How serious a mentor figure is going to be about the Test of High Sorcery will definitely depend on his overall stance on the state of magic.

A progressive Wizard of High Sorcery was probably just beginning his carrier prior to the fall of High Sorcery. He probably picked up Primal Magic very quickly, and because of this he’s willing to experiment now that both paths are available to him. He doesn’t feel as though there’s a need to follow the “orthodox” path of High Sorcery anymore, or the decrees of a Conclave that was, more or less, wiped out by the disappearance of the gods.

A tradition-bearer, the other hand, was probably rather old when the gods vanished. She was set in her ways and is now not willing to budge. When her powers disappeared she probably took up a more simplistic secondary trade, feeling her time was over, and she was probably very depressed for some time. Now that her abilities have returned she’s invigorated and she’s regained her new sense of purpose—she is a zealot of art. She’s also angry at a world that’s forgotten its magical traditions and when she takes on a new student she’ll make sure he learns “her” way and only “her” way. This of course includes a Test of High Sorcery with the dire results she remembers from her own experience, even if she’s the only one available to administer such as test.

I can imagine pros and cons for students seeking masters from both sides. The progressive Wizard of High Sorcery is more lenient and more tolerant of different approaches to magic, but on the other hand his sorcerous abilities and resources will likely equal or outweigh his High Sorcery abilities and resources. He’ll remember some of the old traditions, but not everything with perfect clarity. On the other hand, the tradition-bearing Wizard of High Sorcery will have fantastic resources from the days before the Summer of Chaos, but she will exact a high toll for their use. She’ll expect her student to be as rigid and conservative as she is.

Cheers,
Maglaurus
#8
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 06, 2003 7:09:12
Originally posted by lusipher
Cool, so exactly how hard are they policing it right now?

Heh, "not very"? Until the Orders are entirely restablished by Jenna and Dalamar I assume there will be a number of Wizard Renegades floating about. Currently the wizards are either going to be humans between the ages of 60 and 90 (of which their will be few) and elves (of which their are likely to be fewer). I would think one of their primary goals would to be to get as many students trained and into the Orders as quickly as possible, before all the teachers die out ;).

In the current timeline it's only been a year or so after the Gods return. I would think that all the "active" wizards would currently be focusing on teaching and let their new students worry about renegades (and sorcerers) later. So I would say that IF a student felt they were ready for the Test they could find a place to take it, but if they never do I doubt anyone would come looking for them (at least for the next decade or so). *shrug*

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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 16:40:51	So can anyone answer me this. I just got my age of mortals sourcebook, and it tells of Dalamar and Jenna looking to restart the order, but at this point in time is anyone enforcing the tests? Are there tests being run at all? I haven't had a great deal of time to read the book yet, so I was hoping someone here could give me some insight. Thanks :D
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 18:52:06	Nobody knows the answer here?
#3 Dragonhelm Sep 05, 2003 19:12:14	At this point in time, Jenna and Dalamar are recruiting. They're getting together what WoHS existed prior to the Chaos War to re-establish the order. It's going to be a while before they have a foundation, much less run the Test. We also have to wonder if there will be a Test at all. After seeing how Wild Sorcery has worked for roughly 20 years with some of the sorcerers not taking the Test (the ones at the Tower of Wayreth still did), then maybe that will be rethought. Look for "Wizard's Conclave", a new book by Douglas Niles, which should be available in 2004, IIRC.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 19:26:27	So as it stands right now (the way the book is supposed to imply). If i'm playing a wizard in the timline presented in AoM, then there is no place for me to take a test, much less anyone to inforce it?
#5 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 05, 2003 20:52:23	You don't have to be IN a Tower to take the Test. There are various wizards and small collections of wizards and newly established/re-established schools outside the actual Towers (Tower I should say) where a wizard could take their Test. But it's up to you (the DM) to determine how hard or easy it is to find them or if their is a wizard or group of wizards high enough level to administer it.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 23:33:10	Cool, so exactly how hard are they policing it right now?
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 06, 2003 0:31:15	I would divide the older generations of Ansalon’s magic-users into two distinct ideologies: progressives and tradition-bearers. How serious a mentor figure is going to be about the Test of High Sorcery will definitely depend on his overall stance on the state of magic. A progressive Wizard of High Sorcery was probably just beginning his carrier prior to the fall of High Sorcery. He probably picked up Primal Magic very quickly, and because of this he’s willing to experiment now that both paths are available to him. He doesn’t feel as though there’s a need to follow the “orthodox” path of High Sorcery anymore, or the decrees of a Conclave that was, more or less, wiped out by the disappearance of the gods. A tradition-bearer, the other hand, was probably rather old when the gods vanished. She was set in her ways and is now not willing to budge. When her powers disappeared she probably took up a more simplistic secondary trade, feeling her time was over, and she was probably very depressed for some time. Now that her abilities have returned she’s invigorated and she’s regained her new sense of purpose—she is a zealot of art. She’s also angry at a world that’s forgotten its magical traditions and when she takes on a new student she’ll make sure he learns “her” way and only “her” way. This of course includes a Test of High Sorcery with the dire results she remembers from her own experience, even if she’s the only one available to administer such as test. I can imagine pros and cons for students seeking masters from both sides. The progressive Wizard of High Sorcery is more lenient and more tolerant of different approaches to magic, but on the other hand his sorcerous abilities and resources will likely equal or outweigh his High Sorcery abilities and resources. He’ll remember some of the old traditions, but not everything with perfect clarity. On the other hand, the tradition-bearing Wizard of High Sorcery will have fantastic resources from the days before the Summer of Chaos, but she will exact a high toll for their use. She’ll expect her student to be as rigid and conservative as she is. Cheers, Maglaurus
#8 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 06, 2003 7:09:12	Originally posted by lusipher Cool, so exactly how hard are they policing it right now? Heh, "not very"? Until the Orders are entirely restablished by Jenna and Dalamar I assume there will be a number of Wizard Renegades floating about. Currently the wizards are either going to be humans between the ages of 60 and 90 (of which their will be few) and elves (of which their are likely to be fewer). I would think one of their primary goals would to be to get as many students trained and into the Orders as quickly as possible, before all the teachers die out ;). In the current timeline it's only been a year or so after the Gods return. I would think that all the "active" wizards would currently be focusing on teaching and let their new students worry about renegades (and sorcerers) later. So I would say that IF a student felt they were ready for the Test they could find a place to take it, but if they never do I doubt anyone would come looking for them (at least for the next decade or so). shrug