Yuan-ti returns !

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#1

Pennarin

Sep 07, 2003 15:00:20
I just re-read the post by Nyt on Yuan-ti and remembered I had developped on the idea in the past. Unfortunatly its on a Mac CD and I have a PC...

I had found the Skills & Powers rules on new races by Steve Bell (1998) on is Distant Paths site. It contained an incredible trove of options for Yuan-ti.

After reading the version of Nyt, I thought I'd post mine. It went something like this.

Somewhen after Rajaat was emprisonned for the first time, making the Pristinne Tower prone to creating the New Races, a man (or woman) was wounded in its vicinity and was changed. He now had the head of a snake. The knowledge of its existence spread like any other rumor and was picked-up by a group of cultists. They brought him in and made him their leader (wrong word ?). He reproduced with the women of the group and the children were fertile, and had all parts of snakes. Hence the Yuan-ti.
It would make the Yuan-ti race younger than others on the Boards have theorised. Being more recent, say the end of the Cleansing Wars onward, the threat is made more insidious due to lack of general knowledge on them.

Last note: the Yuan-ti Anathema from Fiend Folio is great for powerfull sect leaders, and there is also a Dragon Magazine article in a 300+ issue that is of high quality and generic (not world-specific). But I don't own that issue. Anyone ?
#2

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2003 20:29:44
The anethma is just too cool. I was working on making the yuan-ti on athas a PC race of some kind, but I still have yet to get it to work well without the hassles of the 101 different kinds of yuan-ti. I scrapped the original idea of having them be a prestige race since I couldn't get it to balance out. I'm still working on them currently, trying out a few different kinds of variants. If I ever get something that works and is still true to the yuan-ti, I'll post it. So far, they all either suck, or en up just as a stock lizard man with venom (and there's already enough lizard men style races of Athas). I'm also still working them into a new campaign region as major movers and shakers. Yuan-ti are just too cool not to have on Athas.
#3

jihun-nish

Oct 31, 2003 1:21:35
Originally posted by Mach2.5
The anethma is just too cool. I was working on making the yuan-ti on athas a PC race of some kind, but I still have yet to get it to work well without the hassles of the 101 different kinds of yuan-ti. I scrapped the original idea of having them be a prestige race since I couldn't get it to balance out. I'm still working on them currently, trying out a few different kinds of variants. If I ever get something that works and is still true to the yuan-ti, I'll post it. So far, they all either suck, or en up just as a stock lizard man with venom (and there's already enough lizard men style races of Athas). I'm also still working them into a new campaign region as major movers and shakers. Yuan-ti are just too cool not to have on Athas.

Could you explain to me why Athasian Yuhan-ti has to be different from dose in other worlds??(other than psionic capabilities and their god Who could be replaced by the anathema(fiend folio)
#4

zombiegleemax

Oct 31, 2003 7:13:32
Yuan-ti could be an old race (created from interbreeding between humans and lizardfolk, thus making them a half-race, like muls, and thus not given a specific Champion [they were just lumped in with the lizardfolk]), or a new one (created by the Pristine Tower, or else by Dregoth [in an effort to create the first dray]). However....

Does it matter? The yuan-ti are such a cool race that it really shouldn't matter where exactly they come from. Just make them a race of sun worshippers (they are reptiles, after all); the rest can stay unchanged.

--yuan-ti are wicked NB
#5

jihun-nish

Nov 01, 2003 0:37:39
Originally posted by Nero's Boot


Does it matter? The yuan-ti are such a cool race that it really shouldn't matter where exactly they come from. Just make them a race of sun worshippers (they are reptiles, after all); the rest can stay unchanged.

--yuan-ti are wicked NB

I think you will like to know that there's a trilogy (novel) comming out soon ( 1st book) of dose wicked serpent men but its in the FR setting.
#6

Pennarin

Nov 02, 2003 2:54:38
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
[...] and their god Who could be replaced by the anathema(fiend folio)

Super idea! Elements aside, humans worship SKs cause they are human-like in appearence. Since we can't import the concept of the Yuan-ti god to Athas, aldo an old Green-Age religion could be cooked-up, they could worship an epic version of their own, just like humans do.

Originally posted by Nero's Boot
Just make them a race of sun worshippers (they are reptiles, after all)

Quite right, more appropriate than earth worshipers.
#7

jihun-nish

Nov 02, 2003 7:18:01
Originally posted by Pennarin
Super idea! Elements aside, humans worship SKs cause they are human-like in appearence. Since we can't import the concept of the Yuan-ti god to Athas, aldo an old Green-Age religion could be cooked-up, they could worship an epic version of their own, just like humans do.


Quite right, more appropriate than earth worshipers.

I thought that only Sadira could tap the energy from the sun ( officialy)
#8

zombiegleemax

Nov 02, 2003 7:22:36
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
I thought that only Sadira could tap the energy from the sun ( officialy)

Not at all! Where do you think sun clerics get their spells?

--also, sun clerical elementals are in the same boat Sadira's in NB
#9

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Nov 02, 2003 22:20:20
Sun Clerics get their power as a gift from the element of Sun. Sadira pretty much is like a miniscule parasite.... I'll call her tick-girl, who's chugging away whether the Sun likes it or not. Of course, she's rationalized that the Sun's an awefully big and powerful thing, so she doesn't think what she's doing will cause too much harm.

And in other sources, if I recall, the Champions themselves were tied to the Sun, through the Dark Lens & Pristine Tower. The Pristine Tower uses the Sun, and is possibly the artifact most directly responsible for the sun changing colors & size.
#10

Cyrian

Nov 02, 2003 23:32:28
I'm actually working on a Makla/Smoking Crown/Lake of Golden Dreams writeup supplement thing, and I've got Yuan-ti living under the Lake and Mtn, and are actually magma worshippers. Haven't decdided if I'm gonna stick an anethema in yet though.
#11

Pennarin

Nov 03, 2003 0:36:26
Cyrian, will you post it on a site where we can see it once finished? Would love to see that!! :D
#12

Pennarin

Nov 03, 2003 1:39:28
I got my hands on Dragon issue #305!!!

The yuan-ti article describes: the three basic forms and the rivalries between them; the way yuan-ti act to get control of the outside world; the maturation process; society (gender roles, slavery, failed reptilian humanoids resulting from the creation process by their god that led to the yuan-ti race); a substance known as white resin that allows slaves to be rendered docile; a short description of nests and temporary nests in general.

A reiteration of what is found in Savage Species. Also three new feats, in short:
- Blessing of Merrshaulk: an auspicious marking was found on your egg, the result is better DCs and use of spell-like abilities one more time.
- Irresistible Embrace: genius for manipulation, get a +4 on opposed Cha checks
- Tightening Coils: superior will, get a +2 on DCs for the use of mind-affecting spells or spell-like abilities


Its not what I would have wanted to find in that long-sought issue, but its not bad. And Blessing of Merrshaulk is pretty good. It could be made into a sun mark instead.

Those who got an interest, check that article out.
#13

Cyrian

Nov 03, 2003 20:57:07
Yes I'll have it posted up when I'm finished. Don't hold your breath though, this has been brewing in my mind for the past few years, and has been put on the backburner for quite a while as my life's gotten too hectic to work on it seriously. I specifically brought the books I need with me over to Japan though to work on it while I'm here, so hopefully I'll have something done with it in the near future. Maybe not 'till spring though, 'cause they give us a long ass spring break over here. :D
#14

jihun-nish

Nov 06, 2003 0:48:47
Base on what you know of the Green Age... do you beleive the intelligent Yuan-Ti race were known as such; underground, surface level, or both. If they were surface dwellers-- like in deep forests surounded by lush canyons--how come no Champion were created to slaughter them back in the CW.

And consider this : if for some reason they were/are underground inhabitants. Then there has to be a ecological system greater them we think under Athas's soil.
#15

zombiegleemax

Nov 06, 2003 7:24:27
On my Athas, yuan-ti are simply half-human/half-lizardfolk, created by the ever-rare coupling of a human and a lizardfolk. Unlike muls, yuan-ti were fertile within their own race, and it turned out they prospered while their parent race (the lizardfolk) was driven nearly extinct. Athasian yuan-ti hate humans, and prepare to wage war on them to gain vengeance for what they believe is the extermination of the lizardfolk race.

--it was a simple way to fit yuan-ti into Athas NB
#16

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Nov 06, 2003 13:11:45
So your Yuan-Ti are pretty much restricted to being around the Last Sea area, since all other Lizardfolk were killed off by The Champion Formerly Known as Keltis (now known as Oronis)? Hehe.
#17

jihun-nish

Nov 06, 2003 13:27:28
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
So your Yuan-Ti are pretty much restricted to being around the Last Sea area, since all other Lizardfolk were killed off by The Champion Formerly Known as Keltis (now known as Oronis)? Hehe.

What's more they're is a strong probability that a least some of your yuan-tis are amphibic from their lizerds lineage
#18

Pennarin

Nov 06, 2003 13:32:07
Anyway, what would be the source of the evil motivations of athasian Yuan-ti?
D&D Yuan-ti are simple: their god tells them to hate human. Mind flayers eat humanoid brains. Vampires feal superior because they feed on humans and were once humans themselves but are now immortal.
The list goes on...
What motivates our athasian variety?
Or is it important? Does anyone know what motivated the mythological Medusa? Was it ever explained or did the gods of old made it her nature?

Food for thoughts.
#19

jihun-nish

Nov 06, 2003 13:49:26
Originally posted by Pennarin
Anyway, what would be the source of the evil motivations of athasian Yuan-ti?
D&D Yuan-ti are simple: their god tells them to hate human. Mind flayers eat humanoid brains. Vampires feal superior because they feed on humans and were once humans themselves but are now immortal.
The list goes on...
What motivates our athasian variety?
Or is it important? Does anyone know what motivated the mythological Medusa? Was it ever explained or did the gods of old made it her nature?

Food for thoughts.

I once introduced a medusa to my players and her motivation was the pure hatred she had for other's charismatic apearance.
The reason was the medusa was once, one of the most beautiful race to walk the heavens. For unknown reason they began to worship en evil demi-god which was strangely related to the Cobra. to make the story short The gods punished them by stripping them of their beauty by transforming them a we know them now and castout to the prime.
#20

zombiegleemax

Nov 06, 2003 17:15:30
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
So your Yuan-Ti are pretty much restricted to being around the Last Sea area, since all other Lizardfolk were killed off by The Champion Formerly Known as Keltis (now known as Oronis)? Hehe.

Nothing of the sort, dear chap; Athasian yuan-ti, thanks to their human heritage, do not depend on moisture to live. They're perfectly adapted to a wasteland environment.

And no, they're not located around Marnita. They don't even know the lizardfolk still exist; it might give them room for thought, if they discover that a trinity of the hated humans saved the lizardfolk race from total annihilation.

The lizardfolk of the Last Sea long ago stopped the practice of interbreeding with humans. They have no idea the Cleansing Wars are long since over, and thus have no desire to re-attract Keltis to the area by breeding half-lizardfolk. (Granted, if they knew Keltis had become Oronis, and sought to make amends for his atrocities, they might reconsider, but consider how isolated the Last Sea is from the rest of Athas.)

--the yuan-ti don't even know Marnita exists NB
#21

zombiegleemax

Nov 06, 2003 17:18:49
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
What's more they're is a strong probability that a least some of your yuan-tis are amphibic from their lizerds lineage

Not so; the yuan-ti's human heritage eliminated that weakness. They are now entirely a land-based race.

--see one post above for more information NB