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Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
baron_the_curse
Sep 09, 2003 13:34:21 What happened to the complain thread???? Dragonhelm you have to give it more than a day’s try.
#2
cam_banks
Sep 09, 2003 13:42:49
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
What happened to the complain thread???? Dragonhelm you have to give it more than a day’s try.

Considering the initial slew of ridiculous responses, I'm surprised he kept it open as long as he did!

Cheers,
Cam
#3
kalanth
Sep 09, 2003 13:52:01 I want to complain!! I have nothing to complain bout', but thats not the point!
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 14:00:13 heheh, I think we all knew how short-lived that thread was gonna be...
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 14:55:02 I hearby complain about the complain thread. Those wishing to complain about my complaining about the complain thread must submit all requests in writing to the complaint department.
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 14:59:54 Signed in triplicate, and submitted with at least 5 pieces of photo identification. Those under the age of eighteen(18) must have signed parental consent.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 15:47:40 I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed. It was a good idea, and I believed that all here were mature enough to handle it. It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important. If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be. I for one am quite disappointed to see it removed, for I believe that it had the potential to help the fan community of DL. Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each.
#8
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 16:07:46 As soon as the thread reached a couple pages it would have been dead. Like really, who bothers looking through a complaint thread? from a realistic standpoint it would have served no good purpose... We can't talk about multiple problems in one thread, I for one would rather tackle each topic on its own rather than rumaging through some thread, posting my response, hoping someone else can find it, and then trying to find what they said. It's like having a bunch of people trying to carry on multiple conversations on a single phone line... It's just not efficient...

Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed.

What do you mean? I didn't see anything like that... then again last I saw, there were only like 10 responses.... How big did that thing get anyhow...

It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important.

Again, I don't think it would have worked out that way... We would have to rummage through a ton of trash to find anything pertinent...

If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be.

I actually thought that we already had that...

Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each.

Believe me, a complaint thread would would not have done anything for this.... Trust me....
#9
kalanth
Sep 09, 2003 16:15:29
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed. It was a good idea, and I believed that all here were mature enough to handle it. It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important. If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be. I for one am quite disappointed to see it removed, for I believe that it had the potential to help the fan community of DL. Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each.

Wow, now I am the one that is shocked. I thought that having a little fun at the expense of something was ok, and that imaturity was different.
#10
Dragonhelm
Sep 09, 2003 16:20:51 Hello, everyone. I wanted to address a few points.

The thread in question was modeled after a similar thread the WizOs set up for the 3.5 revision. There were enough complaints on this forum that I felt a similar action would be good. Perhaps it was a lack of judgment on my part, or perhaps I implemented it poorly. Whatever the case, it is gone.

Secondly, fans can help out this situation by trying to find an existing topic on an issue, rather than having multiple threads. This was especially true of the art and WoHS specializing threads.

Third - I would like to suggest that instead of negative criticisms, we focus instead on constructive criticisms. Instead of "This rule sucks!", it helps to say, "I didn't care for this rule because of X, but you can do Y to get around that."

I'm not trying to say that you can't voice what you don't like, but there are ways of going about it that will help keep the boards from being a negative place. We want to encourage new people to come in and share their thoughts, and we want them to feel welcome.

Anyway, before this turns into a flame war, I would ask that we put this particular topic to bed, and just get back to discussing Dragonlance.

Est Sularus oth Mithas.
#11
covetous
Sep 09, 2003 19:38:31 I think the complaint thread is or rather was a good idea. From what I saw of it there weren't that many people on it giving me the impression that it was relatively new. Someone in this thread wrote that there were only 10 responses, that's true I was one of those 10. While I'm not a big fan of the "This blows!" arguement about any one item or series of items (particularly if it's done over & over), I DO like to see stuff pointed out that was done somewhere else but wasn't done here, or seemed to be hastily done & so forth. I have my own complaints about DLCS for 3rd edition (as I'm sure many of you do) & now that the complaint thread is gone the probability of someones help with Dragonlance as it is now is that much more diminished.

That being said, would the right people have seen it (i.e: the creators of DLCS) & taken the appropriate action(s)? We'll never know now, & that's possibly the saddest part about the death of the complaint section.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 09, 2003 19:38:57
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Hello, everyone. I wanted to address a few points.

The thread in question was modeled after a similar thread the WizOs set up for the 3.5 revision.

The thread it was modeled after did not do well
either. These boards do not support more than
one thread of conversation within a thread. This
makes it a bad idea to try to discuss more than
one topic in a "thread".

If poster A wants to discuss the lack of a map.
Then poster B posts about Raistlin not fitting into
the Wizards of High Sorcery, and posters D, E and
F all start discussing the failings of the new
dragonlances, when poster G comes along and wants
to respond to poster A that breaks into the dragonlance
discussion, and is too far away from A's post to really
get the right flow. Poster H who wants to talk about Raistlin as well, would probably miss B's post entirely and repeat most of what he said. Poster I would say
"This book stinks." and Poster's J, K, L M and N would ignore the thread and start their own ones.

If these boards supported more of a tree structure
to these discussions (like a newsgroup reader) the
complaint thread might have had more use.

Really, though, I don't see more than one or two
complaint threads on a page. I don't see why it is
difficult to ignore those if they don't interest you.
(Of course, I'm more used to reading newsgroups
and the whole concept of moderation rubs me the
wrong way a bit. The thread seemed like an attempt
to suppress complaints by shoving them into a corner.)
#13
ORC_Paradox
Sep 09, 2003 20:37:31 Complaint threads are handy in that they keep all the complainers from flooding the boards with nothing but the same complaint.

At times, however people assume because we have it, they should rant for no good reason.

There were complaints, but they weren't about DL. They were about the complaint thread. And we all know where to send complaints, right?

As Dragonhelm suggested, focus on the positive.

Now go post about DL.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 baron_the_curse Sep 09, 2003 13:34:21	What happened to the complain thread???? Dragonhelm you have to give it more than a day’s try.
#2 cam_banks Sep 09, 2003 13:42:49	Originally posted by Baron the Curse What happened to the complain thread???? Dragonhelm you have to give it more than a day’s try. Considering the initial slew of ridiculous responses, I'm surprised he kept it open as long as he did! Cheers, Cam
#3 kalanth Sep 09, 2003 13:52:01	I want to complain!! I have nothing to complain bout', but thats not the point!
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 14:00:13	heheh, I think we all knew how short-lived that thread was gonna be...
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 14:55:02	I hearby complain about the complain thread. Those wishing to complain about my complaining about the complain thread must submit all requests in writing to the complaint department.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 14:59:54	Signed in triplicate, and submitted with at least 5 pieces of photo identification. Those under the age of eighteen(18) must have signed parental consent.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 15:47:40	I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed. It was a good idea, and I believed that all here were mature enough to handle it. It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important. If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be. I for one am quite disappointed to see it removed, for I believe that it had the potential to help the fan community of DL. Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 16:07:46	As soon as the thread reached a couple pages it would have been dead. Like really, who bothers looking through a complaint thread? from a realistic standpoint it would have served no good purpose... We can't talk about multiple problems in one thread, I for one would rather tackle each topic on its own rather than rumaging through some thread, posting my response, hoping someone else can find it, and then trying to find what they said. It's like having a bunch of people trying to carry on multiple conversations on a single phone line... It's just not efficient... Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed. What do you mean? I didn't see anything like that... then again last I saw, there were only like 10 responses.... How big did that thing get anyhow... It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important. Again, I don't think it would have worked out that way... We would have to rummage through a ton of trash to find anything pertinent... If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be. I actually thought that we already had that... Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each. Believe me, a complaint thread would would not have done anything for this.... Trust me....
#9 kalanth Sep 09, 2003 16:15:29	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I am actually shocked by the lack of maturity about the complaint thread that people showed. It was a good idea, and I believed that all here were mature enough to handle it. It was a good place to lodge serious complaints about products....the kind of stuff that we find important. If it had stayed, it might have become our direct pipeline to the creators of our beloved DL products, our way to influence what we see in upcoming products. But, alas....that was not to be. I for one am quite disappointed to see it removed, for I believe that it had the potential to help the fan community of DL. Oh well.....Guess we'll just have to be stuck to the days of having 10 threads on the board with the same conversation in each. Wow, now I am the one that is shocked. I thought that having a little fun at the expense of something was ok, and that imaturity was different.
#10 Dragonhelm Sep 09, 2003 16:20:51	Hello, everyone. I wanted to address a few points. The thread in question was modeled after a similar thread the WizOs set up for the 3.5 revision. There were enough complaints on this forum that I felt a similar action would be good. Perhaps it was a lack of judgment on my part, or perhaps I implemented it poorly. Whatever the case, it is gone. Secondly, fans can help out this situation by trying to find an existing topic on an issue, rather than having multiple threads. This was especially true of the art and WoHS specializing threads. Third - I would like to suggest that instead of negative criticisms, we focus instead on constructive criticisms. Instead of "This rule sucks!", it helps to say, "I didn't care for this rule because of X, but you can do Y to get around that." I'm not trying to say that you can't voice what you don't like, but there are ways of going about it that will help keep the boards from being a negative place. We want to encourage new people to come in and share their thoughts, and we want them to feel welcome. Anyway, before this turns into a flame war, I would ask that we put this particular topic to bed, and just get back to discussing Dragonlance. Est Sularus oth Mithas.
#11 covetous Sep 09, 2003 19:38:31	I think the complaint thread is or rather was a good idea. From what I saw of it there weren't that many people on it giving me the impression that it was relatively new. Someone in this thread wrote that there were only 10 responses, that's true I was one of those 10. While I'm not a big fan of the "This blows!" arguement about any one item or series of items (particularly if it's done over & over), I DO like to see stuff pointed out that was done somewhere else but wasn't done here, or seemed to be hastily done & so forth. I have my own complaints about DLCS for 3rd edition (as I'm sure many of you do) & now that the complaint thread is gone the probability of someones help with Dragonlance as it is now is that much more diminished. That being said, would the right people have seen it (i.e: the creators of DLCS) & taken the appropriate action(s)? We'll never know now, & that's possibly the saddest part about the death of the complaint section.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2003 19:38:57	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Hello, everyone. I wanted to address a few points. The thread in question was modeled after a similar thread the WizOs set up for the 3.5 revision. The thread it was modeled after did not do well either. These boards do not support more than one thread of conversation within a thread. This makes it a bad idea to try to discuss more than one topic in a "thread". If poster A wants to discuss the lack of a map. Then poster B posts about Raistlin not fitting into the Wizards of High Sorcery, and posters D, E and F all start discussing the failings of the new dragonlances, when poster G comes along and wants to respond to poster A that breaks into the dragonlance discussion, and is too far away from A's post to really get the right flow. Poster H who wants to talk about Raistlin as well, would probably miss B's post entirely and repeat most of what he said. Poster I would say "This book stinks." and Poster's J, K, L M and N would ignore the thread and start their own ones. If these boards supported more of a tree structure to these discussions (like a newsgroup reader) the complaint thread might have had more use. Really, though, I don't see more than one or two complaint threads on a page. I don't see why it is difficult to ignore those if they don't interest you. (Of course, I'm more used to reading newsgroups and the whole concept of moderation rubs me the wrong way a bit. The thread seemed like an attempt to suppress complaints by shoving them into a corner.)
#13 ORC_Paradox Sep 09, 2003 20:37:31	Complaint threads are handy in that they keep all the complainers from flooding the boards with nothing but the same complaint. At times, however people assume because we have it, they should rant for no good reason. There were complaints, but they weren't about DL. They were about the complaint thread. And we all know where to send complaints, right? As Dragonhelm suggested, focus on the positive. Now go post about DL.