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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 14:51:24 Greetings,

First of all , sorry for my Engilsh mistakes, this isn't my native language.

I need your opinions about the Druids in the Age of Despair.

I would like to know if the Druids can cast all the spells even the Healer spells.

If they can cast the spells, Is the wilderness the source of power? or the Deity?

Thank very much

Cheers
#2
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 15, 2003 15:17:03 During the Age of Despair there are no "spellcasting" druids. Just like their would be no spellcating priests. There are mention of "druids" in the Age of Despair but these would be more like rangers that deal in herb lore not spellcasters with healing powers. The dieties Zeboim, Chislev or Habbakuk would be the source of their power.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 15:21:02 Also, when the gods return, druids can once again cast all spells--that are on the druid spell list.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 19:25:11 excuse me, i forgot that:
Why is in the "Age of Despair" no Divine Magic, but arcane?
Where are the gods of the divine magic?
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 19:41:46 They left!

Cough-cough. ::Opens Astinus's Big Book of Everything::

And then the Kingpriest of Istar called out to the gods and demanded for them to do his bidding. And the Gods became enraged. Tossing a fiery mountain at the Kingpriest the Gods left the world, pulling away the true clerics and vanishing into the mists. Thus the Cataclysm occurred and the Age of Despair began.

For hundreds of years Ansalon went on without its deities, convinced that the gods had abonded it. The three moons of magic and the divine presence of the three gods of magic remained thus Arcane magic was still in full swing.

Then one day Goldmoon discovers the Disks of Mishakal and learns that the gods have not left, they're just waiting for their flocks to return to them. And she reintroduces the Divine spark to Krynn.
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 5:55:22 thx
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 9:07:35 I woulfd like to know your opinion about When the Druids could begin to cast all the spells.

As I see, in the CSDL pag 256 when talk about the Chislev's Deity, says that is one of the first Gods to retrun. Chislev returns with the Silvanesti Nighmare , about 349 AC in the Age of Despair.

Therefore would be possible that Gilthanas when he was healed by the Druids (351 AC) was the hand of Chislev, not healed by "medi kits".

What is your opinion about that?

Thanks again
#8
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 16, 2003 9:15:50 Is it possible? Yes.

But did it happen that way? I don't think so.

Why? Because "True Healing" was a big deal. If the druids had cast a spell and healed him he would have tales about this marvelous new healing magic, but he didn't. In fact I think he stayed with them for a few days. So if he was magically healed by druids paying to gods I think he might have mentioned it.
#9
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 16, 2003 9:17:43 Then again... maybe he was unconscious and he didn't see them pray to Chislev. I suppose that is possible. But as long as they are not healing before the War of the Lance begins I guess it could be possible.
#10
morgion-s_claw
Sep 16, 2003 10:11:51 In the DLCS and or AoM it's stated that healing clerics are something that is pratically always associated with Mishakal and to a much lesser degree with priests of Habbakuk.

I know that all clerics are able to heal, but that doesn't mean they do it on a regular base..
Somehow a clerics spells at his disposition would reflect the ethos of his deity to a larger degree. A cleric of Sirrion dabbling with water-based spells in a situation where fire is no way threatening (like a fire in the woods) should have minor frownings from Sirrion for it as well as a cleric of Morgion healing.
Roleplaying would be another good thing: The healing of a cleric of Takhisis would('ve) be(en) painful and gruesome process, the healing of Morgion always wracking the health or infecting with a disease...

I think druids - as soon as receiving divine power - wouldn't bother with healing in the presence of nature in distress!

my cp
M's Claw
#11
frostdawn
Sep 16, 2003 13:21:54 Druids do have magic other than that provided by the gods. During the age of mortals, prior to the war of souls, there was a druid that accompanied Dhamon Grimwulf. (can't remember her name) She was casting all kinds of spells while the gods were away. Dhamon and his other companions (2 pirates) were all rather shocked that she had access to magic, and she said herself that she drew power from nature, not from the heart, or gods or what not. They draw on powers from Krynn, but revere the nature gods. At least that's how I interpreted it...
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 13:24:34 Nah. Feril is a Mystic in the DLCS. She draws upon her own power. She's also a Nomad Shaman meaning her draw on the Heart also comes from the Spirits etc.

Druids in DL are primarily Clerics of a different sort.
#13
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 16, 2003 13:31:03
Originally posted by frostdawn
Druids do have magic other than that provided by the gods. During the age of mortals, prior to the war of souls, there was a druid that accompanied Dhamon Grimwulf. (can't remember her name) She was casting all kinds of spells while the gods were away. Dhamon and his other companions (2 pirates) were all rather shocked that she had access to magic, and she said herself that she drew power from nature, not from the heart, or gods or what not. They draw on powers from Krynn, but revere the nature gods. At least that's how I interpreted it...

Yes, but that was the Age of Mortals. We're talking about the Age of Despair prior to the War of the Lance.
#14
frostdawn
Sep 16, 2003 13:48:15
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
Yes, but that was the Age of Mortals. We're talking about the Age of Despair prior to the War of the Lance.

Oops, my bad.

Could the same argument be made for a druid during the age of despair? Feril didn't draw on the 'power of the heart', or from the gods, or anything. She drew on the magic of Krynn. The new source books sort of categorize her, but doesn't necessarily sound like the way she was described in the novels. The other possibility is mystical creatures like the forest master still knew the gods were around, so maybe the druids knew something through her and were using the gods' powers? Like you said, Gilthanas was unconscious at the time, so he didn't have proof of mystical healing, since he didn't see it himself. Just a thought.
#15
cam_banks
Sep 16, 2003 17:53:48
Originally posted by frostdawn
Oops, my bad.

Could the same argument be made for a druid during the age of despair? Feril didn't draw on the 'power of the heart', or from the gods, or anything. She drew on the magic of Krynn.

Feril had her own way of looking at it, but in reality she was a mystic. Mystics have the benefit of having their power come to them in whatever way suits their personal view of it. Mysticism is focused through a personal belief system, such as Goldmoon's dedication to the memory of Mishakal or the Knights of the Skull's conceptualization of the Vision. Mysticism requires that the mystic actually have something to enable them to channel that power - it very rarely comes down to anything as mundane as "well, if I try hard enough to reach within, I will get spells." In Feril's case, she believed that the living power of Krynn brought all life together, a shamanic tradition which was sufficient to unlock her mystic talents.

Cheers,
Cam
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 18:54:25 Sort of on the same topic...
Do you guys think Waylorn should have druid spells when he is awakend by the companions in DL10? The 1st ed. module lists him as having access to his druid spells, even though he believes himself to be someone else. Since he was put to sleep before the gods left, and then awakened by the companions, it's not really clear. My apologies if they clarified this in the reprint - I only have the 1st ed. version. My players are not yet at this point in the adventure series, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

Thanks
#17
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 21:03:45 I would say he still had his spells... as i remember he went in and out of his Huma moments... During his times as huma i would say no, he did not have access to his powers.....
#18
cam_banks
Sep 16, 2003 21:17:37 Waylorn has his druid spells, just as Crysania had her clerical magic during the Dwarfgate Wars. That's about the only loophole - clerics of the Gods who travel through time and arrive in the Age of Despair don't lose their connection to the gods, who are actually still around. They only truly vanish after the Chaos War.

Of course, if the cleric hangs around for too long, things begin to get really tricky. But in the short term, such as waking up Waylorn during the War of the Lance, he'd continue to act like the druid he was before he was put into stasis.

Cheers,
Cam

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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 14:51:24	Greetings, First of all , sorry for my Engilsh mistakes, this isn't my native language. I need your opinions about the Druids in the Age of Despair. I would like to know if the Druids can cast all the spells even the Healer spells. If they can cast the spells, Is the wilderness the source of power? or the Deity? Thank very much Cheers
#2 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 15, 2003 15:17:03	During the Age of Despair there are no "spellcasting" druids. Just like their would be no spellcating priests. There are mention of "druids" in the Age of Despair but these would be more like rangers that deal in herb lore not spellcasters with healing powers. The dieties Zeboim, Chislev or Habbakuk would be the source of their power.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 15:21:02	Also, when the gods return, druids can once again cast all spells--that are on the druid spell list.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 19:25:11	excuse me, i forgot that: Why is in the "Age of Despair" no Divine Magic, but arcane? Where are the gods of the divine magic?
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 19:41:46	They left! Cough-cough. ::Opens Astinus's Big Book of Everything:: And then the Kingpriest of Istar called out to the gods and demanded for them to do his bidding. And the Gods became enraged. Tossing a fiery mountain at the Kingpriest the Gods left the world, pulling away the true clerics and vanishing into the mists. Thus the Cataclysm occurred and the Age of Despair began. For hundreds of years Ansalon went on without its deities, convinced that the gods had abonded it. The three moons of magic and the divine presence of the three gods of magic remained thus Arcane magic was still in full swing. Then one day Goldmoon discovers the Disks of Mishakal and learns that the gods have not left, they're just waiting for their flocks to return to them. And she reintroduces the Divine spark to Krynn.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 5:55:22	thx
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 9:07:35	I woulfd like to know your opinion about When the Druids could begin to cast all the spells. As I see, in the CSDL pag 256 when talk about the Chislev's Deity, says that is one of the first Gods to retrun. Chislev returns with the Silvanesti Nighmare , about 349 AC in the Age of Despair. Therefore would be possible that Gilthanas when he was healed by the Druids (351 AC) was the hand of Chislev, not healed by "medi kits". What is your opinion about that? Thanks again
#8 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 16, 2003 9:15:50	Is it possible? Yes. But did it happen that way? I don't think so. Why? Because "True Healing" was a big deal. If the druids had cast a spell and healed him he would have tales about this marvelous new healing magic, but he didn't. In fact I think he stayed with them for a few days. So if he was magically healed by druids paying to gods I think he might have mentioned it.
#9 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 16, 2003 9:17:43	Then again... maybe he was unconscious and he didn't see them pray to Chislev. I suppose that is possible. But as long as they are not healing before the War of the Lance begins I guess it could be possible.
#10 morgion-s_claw Sep 16, 2003 10:11:51	In the DLCS and or AoM it's stated that healing clerics are something that is pratically always associated with Mishakal and to a much lesser degree with priests of Habbakuk. I know that all clerics are able to heal, but that doesn't mean they do it on a regular base.. Somehow a clerics spells at his disposition would reflect the ethos of his deity to a larger degree. A cleric of Sirrion dabbling with water-based spells in a situation where fire is no way threatening (like a fire in the woods) should have minor frownings from Sirrion for it as well as a cleric of Morgion healing. Roleplaying would be another good thing: The healing of a cleric of Takhisis would('ve) be(en) painful and gruesome process, the healing of Morgion always wracking the health or infecting with a disease... I think druids - as soon as receiving divine power - wouldn't bother with healing in the presence of nature in distress! my cp M's Claw
#11 frostdawn Sep 16, 2003 13:21:54	Druids do have magic other than that provided by the gods. During the age of mortals, prior to the war of souls, there was a druid that accompanied Dhamon Grimwulf. (can't remember her name) She was casting all kinds of spells while the gods were away. Dhamon and his other companions (2 pirates) were all rather shocked that she had access to magic, and she said herself that she drew power from nature, not from the heart, or gods or what not. They draw on powers from Krynn, but revere the nature gods. At least that's how I interpreted it...
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 13:24:34	Nah. Feril is a Mystic in the DLCS. She draws upon her own power. She's also a Nomad Shaman meaning her draw on the Heart also comes from the Spirits etc. Druids in DL are primarily Clerics of a different sort.
#13 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 16, 2003 13:31:03	Originally posted by frostdawn Druids do have magic other than that provided by the gods. During the age of mortals, prior to the war of souls, there was a druid that accompanied Dhamon Grimwulf. (can't remember her name) She was casting all kinds of spells while the gods were away. Dhamon and his other companions (2 pirates) were all rather shocked that she had access to magic, and she said herself that she drew power from nature, not from the heart, or gods or what not. They draw on powers from Krynn, but revere the nature gods. At least that's how I interpreted it... Yes, but that was the Age of Mortals. We're talking about the Age of Despair prior to the War of the Lance.
#14 frostdawn Sep 16, 2003 13:48:15	Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo Yes, but that was the Age of Mortals. We're talking about the Age of Despair prior to the War of the Lance. Oops, my bad. Could the same argument be made for a druid during the age of despair? Feril didn't draw on the 'power of the heart', or from the gods, or anything. She drew on the magic of Krynn. The new source books sort of categorize her, but doesn't necessarily sound like the way she was described in the novels. The other possibility is mystical creatures like the forest master still knew the gods were around, so maybe the druids knew something through her and were using the gods' powers? Like you said, Gilthanas was unconscious at the time, so he didn't have proof of mystical healing, since he didn't see it himself. Just a thought.
#15 cam_banks Sep 16, 2003 17:53:48	Originally posted by frostdawn Oops, my bad. Could the same argument be made for a druid during the age of despair? Feril didn't draw on the 'power of the heart', or from the gods, or anything. She drew on the magic of Krynn. Feril had her own way of looking at it, but in reality she was a mystic. Mystics have the benefit of having their power come to them in whatever way suits their personal view of it. Mysticism is focused through a personal belief system, such as Goldmoon's dedication to the memory of Mishakal or the Knights of the Skull's conceptualization of the Vision. Mysticism requires that the mystic actually have something to enable them to channel that power - it very rarely comes down to anything as mundane as "well, if I try hard enough to reach within, I will get spells." In Feril's case, she believed that the living power of Krynn brought all life together, a shamanic tradition which was sufficient to unlock her mystic talents. Cheers, Cam
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 18:54:25	Sort of on the same topic... Do you guys think Waylorn should have druid spells when he is awakend by the companions in DL10? The 1st ed. module lists him as having access to his druid spells, even though he believes himself to be someone else. Since he was put to sleep before the gods left, and then awakened by the companions, it's not really clear. My apologies if they clarified this in the reprint - I only have the 1st ed. version. My players are not yet at this point in the adventure series, but I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks
#17 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 21:03:45	I would say he still had his spells... as i remember he went in and out of his Huma moments... During his times as huma i would say no, he did not have access to his powers.....
#18 cam_banks Sep 16, 2003 21:17:37	Waylorn has his druid spells, just as Crysania had her clerical magic during the Dwarfgate Wars. That's about the only loophole - clerics of the Gods who travel through time and arrive in the Age of Despair don't lose their connection to the gods, who are actually still around. They only truly vanish after the Chaos War. Of course, if the cleric hangs around for too long, things begin to get really tricky. But in the short term, such as waking up Waylorn during the War of the Lance, he'd continue to act like the druid he was before he was put into stasis. Cheers, Cam