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#1 Serow_Darkstar Sep 15, 2003 22:52:39	Like it says, this is my first Dragonlance character, and already, I face a problem. I'm playing a Kagonesti Ranger. She's 5th level, and her stats are as follows. Str 7 Dex 18 Con 10 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 12 As you can see, she's not casting spells, at all. She also has no interst in casting spells. Now, I've been looking around, and I'm thinking that she might go into Fighter, just because the extra levels of Ranger and no casting would make her a bit weak... But, I'd like to find a Prestige Class she can go into, that's not a casting class, that's kind of Ranger-like. Rather, that is, than go into Fighter. Is there something out there, that would work with the setting and such? Something with ranged combat bonuses would be good, as, obiviously, she isn't the melee type. Not with a 7 strength!
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 23:07:44	Well, I don't have the DLCS(but, now that I have to pay for lunch, I just might be getting it soon. Yay for me!), but I'll see what I can do... Well, the Duelist from the 3.5 DMG seems pretty good....but it requires a +6 BAB, so maybe 1 level of FIghter? Or, maybe, you could take Horizon Walker...I know the last 5 levels wouldn't be so good, but the first 5 levels are pretty good for a Ranger. Are you creating your character at 5th level, or has she just now gotten to 5th level? Because this requires Knowledge(geography) 8 ranks, which you can only get if you max it out every level. Shadowdancer seems pretty good too.
#3 darthsylver Sep 15, 2003 23:20:24	You could always think about the bloodhound in the ranger handbook. Order of the bow initiate in the Sword & fist handbook. These a couple that might help you get some ideas.
#4 shugi Sep 16, 2003 1:09:34	For your stats & apparent focus, I'd recommend either the Order of the Bow Initiate (as Darthsylver mentioned) or the Deepwood Sniper (from Masters of the Wild). Obviously I'd also recommend that your ranger "combat style" be applied to archery.
#5 baron_the_curse Sep 16, 2003 3:15:58	How about re-rolling those stats?
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 4:02:55	I would consider changing classes, or re-arranging stats. I will assume you are not going to change the stats, so I will focus on classes. Rogue looks good at first glance, but with a penalty to intellegence, you will certain fall behind with skill points. With a positive charisma, I would look to a Bard or Noble. A bard focusing in archery is your best shot if this campaign involves combat. This bard should be focusing on support. Healing spells, and archery feats help keep the fighters alive. Spells such as Daze and Tashas Hidious Laughter take out opposing forces, and make combat easier for the skirmishes (Rogues and Rangers). Finally a small amount of skill points can help the rogue, as you use the aid other option. PrC are few and far between. Steel Legionnarie is your best bet. As for multiclassing, don't bother. Only take fighter if you encounter alot of battles, or rogue if you encounter excessive roleplaying.
#7 waqqif Sep 16, 2003 8:56:50	How would it be to use the Woodsmen from WoT
#8 Serow_Darkstar Sep 16, 2003 12:12:01	Well, I'm trying to avoid switching classes. The way the character's envisioned in my mind is that, even though she isn't a very good ranger, she's very dedicated to it, and is striveing to make the best of it. As for rearrangeing stats... Don't want to do that either. I'm really looking foreward to playing up her limited ability, and her greater disability, in the game. She's dexterous, and a little more charming than average, but in all other instances, she's rather lacking. Also, she did take the archery path. The only way she's going to be in combat, is if it comes to her. Which, hopefully, the rest of the party can prevent. And, here goes prestige class recomendations: Duelist requires her to be a bit closer to combat than might be healthy for someone like her. Horizon Walker... Might be good... I'd have to move around some skill points, and find out what locations are around our starting area... But, I might just do that. As for the ones in the other books... At the moment, I don't have access to my Class books... And I don't have WoT... But, I'll keep trying!
#9 brimstone Sep 16, 2003 12:24:45	Originally posted by Serow Darkstar I'm playing a Kagonesti Ranger. She's 5th level, and her stats are as follows. Str 7 Dex 18 Con 10 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 12 Something with ranged combat bonuses would be good, as, obiviously, she isn't the melee type. Not with a 7 strength! Well...if she uses a small enough weapon (I think a short sword or rapier is small enough) she can use the Weapon Finess Feat. That would allow you to use your Dexterity modifier for your melee attacks. Which would be good for your Ranger. Dexterous with both bow and sword. You're not very strong...but you are quick of wrist and able to get past your opponents defences on agility alone.
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 12:30:03	Originally posted by Faeryl Zauvirr This bard should be focusing on support. Healing spells, Yeah....but if he's sticking solidly to the DLCS, the bard does not get spells from Conjuration (Healing). Noble is out of the question as well, for the most part as he'd have had to take that at level 1. I however allow chars to gain the ability to multiclass into noble, by earning their title through roleplay. Anyway...perhaps bard is the way to go High CHA will reign supreme there, not a bad BAB, decent saves....and awesome roleplaying potential.
#11 Dragonhelm Sep 16, 2003 12:49:39	Serow, I would highly recommend you try the following: Revised Ranger This is a revised ranger designed by Cam Banks. It's really neat in that it uses talent paths, much like what you see in d20 Modern. There's a Favored Enemy, Wilds Mastery, and Trailblazing talent path. Plus, there's options for spellcasting if you want to try it. Hope that helps!
#12 kalanth Sep 16, 2003 13:14:10	Originally posted by Baron the Curse How about re-rolling those stats? Gods no! Not only is it interesting to have those stats, but I ended up making an NPC in my campaign that resembles the character. I love low stat characters, for every person should have a weakness, because we all do in real life.
#13 kalanth Sep 16, 2003 13:20:52	I would suggest that you take the Fighter/Rogue path. Fighter because of the extra feets and such that you could use to enhance the Rogue aspect of the character, or dump them into arcehry based feets, and the Rogue because it sounds like the best overall class to get past the hindrences of the low Int and the low Str. As for a PrC, I would suggest a Shadow Dancer, it seems like something that is fitting to this type of character.
#14 baron_the_curse Sep 16, 2003 13:32:54	Originally posted by Kalanth Gods no! Not only is it interesting to have those stats, but I ended up making an NPC in my campaign that resembles the character. I love low stat characters, for every person should have a weakness, because we all do in real life. I meant it as an easy solution. Maybe a re-role would give you a result you can work with better. Low stats can be fun though; I played once a Palanthas professor with a limp (Dex 7!). Yet, somehow, in a memorable encounter a pair of Bazz Draconians could not hit me if their lives depended on it, and it turn out it did as a got a nice critical on them.
#15 kalanth Sep 16, 2003 14:36:32	Originally posted by Baron the Curse I meant it as an easy solution. Maybe a re-role would give you a result you can work with better. Low stats can be fun though; I played once a Palanthas professor with a limp (Dex 7!). Yet, somehow, in a memorable encounter a pair of Bazz Draconians could not hit me if their lives depended on it, and it turn out it did as a got a nice critical on them. Ok, see, I miss understood the original post then. I get that from my players all the time, "My stats suck, can I am going to re-roll," or there is the classic, "I didn't get more than a 13, I am re-rolling my stats." I played a character that had a 3 Int, now that was a difficult character to play.
#16 Serow_Darkstar Sep 16, 2003 14:58:18	One of my first characters I ever played was in second edition, a crocodilian fighter. Crocodilians were in an issue of Dragon, a Varient Lizardman creature, as well as rules for playing them. He had insane strength and Dex scores, but his intelligence was a 3, and his wisdom not much better. He was, and still is, the character that my group talks of the most. So be it, that his range of speach was limited to such things as "Thok chew!" and "Thok smash!" Back on the subject of my DL character now... As far as classes go, I'm sticking with my five levels as a Ranger. She can't cast the spells, but it's no big deal. Hm... Shadowdancer though... That might work... She is a bit of a sniper, and being able to hide like that... Wow!
#17 darthsylver Sep 16, 2003 20:47:43	Hey shugi, I think we may think alike. The deepwood sniper was a third class I was thinking of for serow but could'nt remember the name or the source.
#18 josephkell Sep 16, 2003 22:43:15	... You are boned. Unless. Can you multiclass into Sorcerer and go for Arcane Archer? But that isn't Dragonlance...
#19 darthsylver Sep 16, 2003 23:15:05	Hey kalanth try this one. A friend of mine was playing a dwarf rolled an 8 and intentionally used for his cha, winding up with a 6 Cha after adjustments. He started the campaign as a fighter but because of the way he played his character (we were playing durign the time when the gods were just returning after WoTL) who became a paldin of Paladine. He pulled it off too. It was cool to watch.
#20 baron_the_curse Sep 17, 2003 1:51:49	Originally posted by JosephKell ... You are boned. Unless. Can you multiclass into Sorcerer and go for Arcane Archer? But that isn't Dragonlance... Why isn't that Dragonlance? The elves would have Arcane Archers among their ranks no doubt. And a sorcerer is not a renegade when there's no order of High Sorcery to to say he is.