wizards specialization. need some help here

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 17, 2003 17:54:55
to make this simple.....i dont get it.......... what bonuses do a wizard get, is it a normal spec like in the PH at 1st lvl?? and what is the bonuses when he enters the TOWER





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#2

josephkell

Sep 17, 2003 18:28:59
It is normal Specialization, but you MUST take a banned school from one of the 4 required by the other 2 robes.

When you take your first level of the PrC though you must forfiet ANOTHER school from the remaining 3 schools of the other two robes, and you can either advance your specialization to double it (like be a Double Transmutation Specialist as a Red, or be an Illusionist/Transmutor specialist as a Red robe and ditch Enchantment and Divination)

My personal opinion is that the Wizards of High Sorcery are pretty disabled by their specializations... that is unless they put off the PrC until after character level 5 (you have to have 4 levels to get 7 ranks in a skill). Once you double specialize, you can no longer take additional spells from the prohibited school... so load up on the spells you are about to abandon (I.E. buy scrolls and add them to their spellbook)
#3

The_White_Sorcerer

Sep 17, 2003 18:47:38
It works like this:

At level 1, you specialize. In order to become a WoHS, you must be specialized in one of two schools appropriate for your Robes. They are as follows:
White—Abjuration or Divination
Red—Illusion or Transmutation
Black—Enchantment or Necromancy

Unless you are a Diviner (and thus, a future White Robe), you must choose your two prohibited schools from those that are associated with the other two Robes. Diviners only need to drop one school.
Example: A future Red Robe specializes in Transmutation and drops Abjuration and Necromancy.

When you become a WoHS, you must drop an additional school, and there is pretty much only one left to choose from (unless you are a White Robe). You can't use spells from your new prohibited school, even those that you previously knew.
Example: The transmuter drops Enchantment, since that is the only one he can drop at this point. He can no longer use any Enchantment spells, even those that he previously knew.

White Robes have a little more choice in their prohibited schools.

No one can specialize in Conjuration or Evocation, or make them prohibited schools.

If you switch Robes, you also switch your specialization accordingly, plus you get a 20% XP penalty until you take your next level in WoHS. You can't use spells from your new prohibited schools, even those that you previously knew.
Example: The Red Robe switches to the White Robes. He chooses Abjuration as his specialization. He chooses Illusion, Necromancy and Enchantment as his prohibited schools. He can no longer use any Illusion spells he may have previously known.
#4

coyote_skyheart

Sep 17, 2003 20:24:02
Most of that is correct, but not all of it.

You said...
You can't use spells from your new prohibited school, even those that you previously knew.

its actually...
He can still use the prohibited spells he knew prior to becoming a wizard of high sorcery, including using items that are activated by spell completion or spell trigger.

pg. 74 first paragraph

So its not as bad as it seems.
#5

coyote_skyheart

Sep 17, 2003 22:16:47
I happen to be making a wizard character right now, and I've just discovered something rather annoying (to me). Is this really their intention?

Its understood that wizards who advance beyond 2nd level spells must take the test of high sorcery.

Its *also* understood that all barred schools must be of the rival schools. Guess what that means! Black robes and Red robes can't cast dispel magic, ever! Its a 3rd level spell!

That is, unless they're late to their test and are hunted down for a bit.

Here's the logic: 3 prohibited schools. Divination can not be selected as a prohibited school (Stated in the DLCS). If red robe, those schools will *always* be both black robe schools and abjuration school, and if black robe those schools will *always* be both red robe schools and abjuration school.

Aaargh.
#6

coyote_skyheart

Sep 17, 2003 22:34:13
I retract that - apparently Age of Mortals has rules for non-specialized wizards of high sorcery? *must find book and read about this!*

Whew

....

Looking through the search engine, this looks like an oft repeated type or related question on this board. Thankyou to those who provide answers so many times over!
#7

The_White_Sorcerer

Sep 18, 2003 0:00:41
Well, I've only glanced through the book at the local store, so there were bound to be errors in my post. But still, you can't use any spells from your new prohibited schools when you switch robes, right?
#8

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 6:01:37
ok so do i get bonus spells slots for the new spec school to??
#9

The_White_Sorcerer

Sep 18, 2003 6:20:56
Originally posted by FOXDIE
ok so do i get bonus spells slots for the new spec school to??

If you mean the new specialization you choose when you switch Robes, then yes, of course.

I don't remember the benefits of enhanced specialization (or whatever it's called when you drop an additional school at WoHS level 1), though.
#10

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 10:30:17
When you take your first level of the PrC though you must forfiet ANOTHER school from the remaining 3 schools of the other two robes, and you can either advance your specialization to double it (like be a Double Transmutation Specialist as a Red, or be an Illusionist/Transmutor specialist as a Red robe and ditch Enchantment and Divination)

There's no such thing as "Double Specialization". You get Enhanced Specialization when you become a WoHS, which has some nifty benefits, but you're not a double specialist. You also can't specialize in more than one school. As a Red Robe you're either an Illusionist or a Transmutor.

Later on: Yeah, it sucks that White Robes are the only ones that can cast Dispel Magic...as it's a rocking good spell. Guess that's part of the benefit of being one of the "good" guys.
#11

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 11:50:30
Originally posted by Coyote Skyheart
I retract that - apparently Age of Mortals has rules for non-specialized wizards of high sorcery? *must find book and read about this!*

That's correct, and Dalamar is a prime example of it.
Basically, the wizard need not be specialized in order to qualify for the WoHS PrC, but he doesn't gain the Enhanced Specialization the PrC offers. Everything else remains the same.