Aurak Draconians

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#1

daedavias_dup

Sep 18, 2003 11:42:17
How did they manage to keep alive with only one female? The probably don't have more than 20 of them in Teyr.
#2

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 11:54:10
Hmm. You know, they really don't mention what kind of draconians live in Teyr (at the DLCS and AoM don't; I haven't read Draconian Measures, Kang's Regiment, or any of the draconian books), maybe there aren't any auraks there. After all, I would imagine an aurak (being better in almost every way than other types of draconians) would lead the nation rather than a bozak like Kang.
#3

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 13:48:57
To all those that truly care,

It is true, there is only 20 female draconians in Teyr. There is approximately 3,000 male draconians. For the them to breed I would think that the standard reptile method would be more than enough to get a society going. As to what type of draconian should lead them Kang is more than qualified by merit. From what I have read there are no male auraks in Teyr. After the treachery of general Maranta (the aurak general) I would think that the illusion that a subrace qualifies you to be the leader is false. Kang has showed himself to be a survivalist and a very avid leader. I am definitely not saying that there aren't any auraks left in the world I mean there was still an aurak in Neraka when Crysania arrived to talk to the gods (Tears of the night sky). What I do not understand is Bertrem's entry that the draconians of Teyr would willingly ally themselves to the dark knights of Takhisis after the ill treatment they have received at their hands. First, during the War of the Lance they were treated as latrine diggers, during the Chaos War it was the same, and second the dark knights hired 25,000 goblinoids to exile the draconian race to the history books. I truly do hope that they do make an alliance with the Solamnic knights and change Krynn history forever. If Don Perrin or Margaret Weis look on this message I hope they can my questions. 1) What the next book in the Kang's regiment series? 2) Since the baby draconians are not exposed to demon possession does that mean they will be free to choose their alignment possibly even good tendencies? I await your reply.
#4

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 14:20:10
SECTION TWO – DRAGONLANCE NOVEL QUESTIONS

Will there be another novel in either the Raistlin Chronicles or Kang’s Regiment series?

Margaret Weis has said that there will be no new novels in either series.
#5

zombiegleemax

Sep 18, 2003 15:52:21
Originally posted by Fangorn_Bozak
2) Since the baby draconians are not exposed to demon possession does that mean they will be free to choose their alignment possibly even good tendencies? I await your reply.

According to the DLCS dracos are already free to choose their own alignment (referring to the Alignment section in the racial descriptions on p.34 (Baaz) and p.36 (Kapak))
#6

zombiegleemax

Sep 19, 2003 10:42:59
Well, In Draconian measures the Females were just entering Maturity, and they had only been hatched for 6 months. Think about it. What if humans could reproduce 6 months after birth? The worlds population would be insane. So I worked up a spread sheet and ran some numbers.


Given a starting population spread of

1 Aurak Egg= 1 Aurak Female
1 Sivak Egg= 2 Sivak Females
2 Baaz Eggs=4 Baaz Females
2 Kapak Eggs=6 Kapak Females
2 Bozak Eggs=7 Bozak Females

Theres our first generation of females.

I used a 6 month incubation period followed by a 6 month rest period for each pregnancy. I assumed that half of the resultant babies are male, and that draconians only lay 1 egg at a time (although that is HIGHLY unlikely given that dragons lay multiple eggs). For each generation I rounded the number of females down to whole numbers before calculating the next batch.

Given 40 years to reproduce with this schedule, baring deaths, these are the possible population figures for FEMALE draconians of an age able to bear young.


Aurak=7,972,438
Sivak=17,937,985
Baaz=40,360,465
Kapak=60,540,697
Bozak=70,091,070

Thats just the females. Yeah, and the lifespan of a Draconian is about 1,000 years. Granted this is if they breed like machines, wich they wont. But Even being conservative there can be as many as 1,000 Aurak females within 20 years.


Update: forgot a few sentences


Remember there were 20 in the first year, they mature in only 6 months, their numbers can easily grow to a sustainable point in the 40 some odd years it takes to get to the War of Souls.
#7

Granakrs

Sep 19, 2003 14:46:53
Originally posted by Halabis
Well, In Draconian measures the Females were just entering Maturity, and they had only been hatched for 6 months. Think about it. What if humans could reproduce 6 months after birth? The worlds population would be insane. So I worked up a spread sheet and ran some numbers.

Well, remember, there's not specific information about how long it takes the girls to really mature. Remember, the first generation are magically created. That means the girl's growth rate might be magically acccellerated. (yeah. it's magic. )


Originally posted by Halabis
Given a starting population spread of

1 Aurak Egg= 1 Aurak Female
1 Sivak Egg= 2 Sivak Females
2 Baaz Eggs=4 Baaz Females
2 Kapak Eggs=6 Kapak Females
2 Bozak Eggs=7 Bozak Females

Theres our first generation of females.

I used a 6 month incubation period followed by a 6 month rest period for each pregnancy. I assumed that half of the resultant babies are male, and that draconians only lay 1 egg at a time (although that is HIGHLY unlikely given that dragons lay multiple eggs). For each generation I rounded the number of females down to whole numbers before calculating the next batch.

The DLCS and AoM have said that 2 generations of draconians so far. so Kang and slith are grandpa's by now. Also it might mean that in 40 years and post War of Souls, that could mean a 10-20 year maturity rate for naturally born female draconians.
#8

wolf72

Sep 19, 2003 21:08:24
hey don't forget that the creators originally didn't hatch the females so that they could control the draconian population.

... not that it has much to do with the topic at hand
#9

valdren

Sep 22, 2003 15:40:44
With no more Kang books looks like you'll have to pray someone writes some good fan-fiction on the topic.

Here's a poser:

What if a male gold dragon polymorphs into a male aurak draconian, mates with Thessik (the only living female aurak draconian we know of). What would we get??? More Gold dragons or more Aurak draconians??
#10

Granakrs

Sep 22, 2003 18:22:07
Interesting question. It depends on the rules you might have for the dragonlance campaign setting when someone polymorphs into some other form. Can they reproduce when in that form?

in my mind, probably not. For example, if Silvara could polymorph as an elf, can she get pregnant with Gilthanas. it would make their seperation and Gilthanas's angst a bit silly. I would think that Thesik's uniqueness makes for a pivotal story about the draconian race and how they're progressing. for example, if anyone attempts to kill her, the Aurak race dies. lots of drama there.

Granak Red-Silver
#11

banshee

Sep 22, 2003 21:00:00
Originally posted by Granakrs
Well, remember, there's not specific information about how long it takes the girls to really mature. Remember, the first generation are magically created. That means the girl's growth rate might be magically acccellerated. (yeah. it's magic. )




The DLCS and AoM have said that 2 generations of draconians so far. so Kang and slith are grandpa's by now. Also it might mean that in 40 years and post War of Souls, that could mean a 10-20 year maturity rate for naturally born female draconians.

I would tend to agree that the fact that the first generation was magically created has as much as anything to do with it. A race that lived for thousands of years, and grew to maturity in 6 months would take over the world.

In the absence of magic, I'd probably recommend that they take a more regular 20-30 years to mature...or more. Both dragons and elves, the long-lived races of Krynn, take much longer than that to mature.

Banshee
#12

banshee

Sep 22, 2003 21:07:20
Originally posted by Valdren
With no more Kang books looks like you'll have to pray someone writes some good fan-fiction on the topic.

Here's a poser:

What if a male gold dragon polymorphs into a male aurak draconian, mates with Thessik (the only living female aurak draconian we know of). What would we get??? More Gold dragons or more Aurak draconians??

You would get an Aurak draconian with the half-gold dragon template...

Banshee
#13

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2003 22:13:44
Here is an interesting fact. According to the 2nd edition game module, "New Tales: Land reborn" there is possibly other female draconian eggs somewhere on Krynn. In the module, characters, Goldmoon and Riverwind are sent to investigate the Que-Shu. The adventure eventually lands the characters into the draconian caves where a Aurak draconian female guards six Aurak draconian female eggs. She declares herself a queen and perishes supposedly in the battle. Characters smash the eggs and then are confronted by Flamm the red dragon. Flamm then reveals there are other eggs. The descriptions that he gives seem to point that there were a lot more eggs than those found by the First Dragonarmy engineers. He describes somewhere around twenty four eggs that are separated into categories by race far apart from each other. I would quote his speech but Dragonhelm has a problem with it.

Thesik in theory is the last female Aurak. Could there be more females out there waiting to hatch?
#14

mula

Sep 24, 2003 1:36:43
Originally posted by Granakrs
Interesting question. It depends on the rules you might have for the dragonlance campaign setting when someone polymorphs into some other form. Can they reproduce when in that form?

in my mind, probably not. For example, if Silvara could polymorph as an elf, can she get pregnant with Gilthanas. it would make their seperation and Gilthanas's angst a bit silly. I would think that Thesik's uniqueness makes for a pivotal story about the draconian race and how they're progressing. for example, if anyone attempts to kill her, the Aurak race dies. lots of drama there.

Granak Red-Silver

But how do all the half-dragons (of other worlds... ) get conceived then? Ouch...!

Because dragons as highly magical creatures can reproduce with anything, they can also do it while polymorphed. But remember that the polymorph spell doesn't allow you to take the type of the new creature, so a polymorphed human wizard can't have children with a chuutl or even a draconian (since half-dragons are actually half-"true" dragons). I think.
#15

valdren

Sep 24, 2003 14:50:04
Originally posted by Fangorn_Bozak
Thesik in theory is the last female Aurak. Could there be more females out there waiting to hatch?

I'm more inclined to trust Margret and Don's last words on that subject before I buy into the text from an old adventure module, But its really in the hands of DL DMs now so do what you like, I know I will.

My biggest hope is that another Author will be allowed to take up the torch of the Draconian Nation and tell us of the further adventures of Kang, Slith and the girls.

Hmm. Draconian Nations, sounds like a good name for a trilogy :D