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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 19, 2003 18:57:45	I was wondering... Post-WoS time, is the first kingdom of the dwarves lost? I heard it wasn't.... but... Wanted some answers on this. It's gonna be the focus of my campaign, so kinda need some pertinant info on this place.
#2 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 19, 2003 21:32:12	The "original" Kal-Thax was located near the northern reaches of Nordmaar. In 2800 PC shortly after Thorin was built the kingdom of Kal-Thax (in Northern Nordmaar) disappeared. There were rumors of darkness and death issuing from Kal-thax before all the entrances were sealed and the entire realm eventually disappeared. Now, what may be confusing is that there was actually about 5 or six “dwarven” kingdoms that were called Kal-Thax. The dwarven term “kal-thax” means “cold forge” and when the Hylar abandoned the halls of Thorin in 2150 PC they went in search of “kal-thax”. What they found was “Kal-thax” located in the southern reaches of the continent which encompassed the Kharolis Mountains. So while they discovered _a_ “kal-thax” it was not the _original_ Kal-thax. That has never been discovered. Hope that makes sense.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 21, 2003 1:41:53	In the book the Night Of Blood it states that the minotaur slaves revolted and sacked the city.
#4 Granakrs Sep 21, 2003 1:59:40	Heheh. it can drive you nuts. :-) in fact, If there are six different sites that all called themselves "Cold-forge" it's possible that the minotaurs could have destroyed the original Kal-thax. Heck, they might also have destroyed Thorin, thinking it was Kal-thax. alas, History is an incomplete and haphazard science. :-) Granak Red-Silver Sivak
#5 ferratus Sep 21, 2003 4:56:27	Personally, I'd reconcile it by making it the "Kal-Thax" empire, with sites all over North Eastern Ansalon. Heck, that was probably what the caverns under Nereka (which the companions traversed in the original modules), and Sean MacDonald's deepdark (in his geographical information on the desolation) are. The Kal-Thax empire.
#6 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 21, 2003 8:15:28	Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast In the book the Night Of Blood it states that the minotaur slaves revolted and sacked the city. Well they did. :D They destroyed the Kal-Thax that resided next to Karthay. ;) The "original" Kal-Thax was near what would become Nordmaar. There was also a kal-thax near Karthay, and the Kharolis Mountains, and Northern Sancrist (Mount Nevermind)... hmm looking at the map that's it. There was only four.
#7 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 21, 2003 8:18:21	Originally posted by ferratus Personally, I'd reconcile it by making it the "Kal-Thax" empire, with sites all over North Eastern Ansalon. Heck, that was probably what the caverns under Nereka (which the companions traversed in the original modules), and Sean MacDonald's deepdark (in his geographical information on the desolation) are. The Kal-Thax empire. Well, it is concievable that the Hesti discovered the remains of the original Kal-Thax and built their northern most city there and then the same thing that swallowed the "original" Kal-Thax also swallowed that underground elven city.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 21, 2003 13:00:11	hrm, cool! means my campaign can still be on the ball of what i want... thanks guys! especially kipper!
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 21, 2003 13:59:50	Grrrrr those damn dwarves need to get more creative when naming thier cities.