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#1 Dragonhelm Sep 23, 2003 11:07:20	For those that haven't seen it yet... Knight of Solamnia Article Note the bit on the Solamnic Auxiliary.
#2 slwoyach_dup Sep 23, 2003 11:20:01	Nice.
#3 daedavias_dup Sep 23, 2003 11:22:39	Truly a nice article. Especially the part on the revised measure. There was two problems I found though. One, women were allowed in the knights before uth Wistan's revision, as stated by Astinus in Dragons of a Spring Dawning. The other part is just a typo that made me laugh, it is in Linsha Majere's little section. See if you can find it.:D
#4 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 23, 2003 11:40:00	Originally posted by Daedavias The other part is just a typo that made me laugh, it is in Linsha Majere's little section. See if you can find it.:D "So too did her short-lived brothers Tanin and Sturm." :D Is this the one?
#5 Dragonhelm Sep 23, 2003 12:04:38	The thing I noticed is that it says that the Solamnic Auxiliary doesn't have to go through the Knight's Trials. Heroes of Sorcery, where the Solamnic Auxiliary Sorcerer was introduced, says otherwise. Age of Mortals, which has the Solamnic Auxiliary mage, concurs with Heroes of Sorcery. Now, this can be explained that SAMs are technically honorary Crown Knights, and that they took the Knight's Trials.
#6 ferratus Sep 23, 2003 13:08:47	I think the 75 pages about the "saddling of horses" is merely Ehrling faction propaganda. It was probably a treatise on the tactics of calvary warfare, given a trivilizing term by a group that prefered covert action. See, 37 volumes simply isn't that much even for modern legal codes much less for ones written on parchment by hand. Even if you use Gothic script (which saves a lot of space but is hard to read) there is only so much you can fit on a page.
#7 cam_banks Sep 23, 2003 13:15:39	Originally posted by ferratus I think the 75 pages about the "saddling of horses" is merely Ehrling faction propaganda. It was probably a treatise on the tactics of calvary warfare, given a trivilizing term by a group that prefered covert action. See, 37 volumes simply isn't that much even for modern legal codes much less for ones written on parchment by hand. Even if you use Gothic script (which saves a lot of space but is hard to read) there is only so much you can fit on a page. Gunthar was senile. Have you read Rose and the Skull? It's one of my favorite sideline novels, and I think it portrays Liam in a very sympathetic light. But that's just me. Cheers, Cam
#8 ferratus Sep 23, 2003 13:42:47	Are you saying that Gunthar wrote 75 pages on the saddling of horses? See, I simply find it unrealistic that someone would write 75 pages on the saddling of horses and incoporate it into their core legal documents. Especially given that we have a precedent for legal reorganization and revision, namely the Justinian revision of Roman Law. What made this necessary was that there was differing legal opinions of various schools of jurists, contradictory declarations by emperors, praetors and consuls and various other developments. So what I would expect to see in the old measure is contradictory things based on the rulings of various Knightly Councils, Grandmasters, and legal scholars. I could easily see how they would try to apply measure in one situation, make a just (or unjust) ruling and have it established as precedent. Then a similar (but not the same) situation comes along requiring a different ruling. Thus, when a third similar situations comes along, you have a legal conflict. That makes much more sense right? Anyway, all I know is I've got here a 4x6 inch book which is the catechism of my faith. I numbers approximately 822 pages including the index. Using medieval tech (binding, quill and parchment) if certainly would fill up an entire shelf. I certainly don't think it is impossible to follow or overly complex, given the topic. It would be same if you had the Criminal Code of Canada, or any suitably dense and important text.
#9 cam_banks Sep 23, 2003 14:03:55	Originally posted by ferratus Are you saying that Gunthar wrote 75 pages on the saddling of horses? No, I'm saying it's possible he wrote 75 pages which said "horsey horsey horsey horsey saddle 'em up, saddle 'em up" and Liam facepalmed when he read it. And then proceeded to rewrite it and condense it before anybody found out. Cheers, Cam
#10 ferratus Sep 23, 2003 14:23:11	*laughs* Well, obviously then the problem is that Gunthar figured he had the right to simply rewrite the Measure as he saw fit. ;) The Measure should be a constitutional document, out of the reach of the whims of whoever is in control. Otherwise, what is the point? Why not just have one line that says "Do what the Grandmaster says, but be cool."?
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 13:37:32	Originally posted by ferratus Why not just have one line that says "Do what the Grandmaster says, but be cool."? I hear that is what Vinas originally proposed...
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 13:46:41	Have you guys read the original Measure?! I mean geeze! I gave it a read through once. 473 pages where it looked like Vinas Solamnus was inventing the first recorded uses of ASCII. And he sucked.
#13 rosisha Sep 24, 2003 15:21:15	Actually writing out the Code in constitutional format would be fairly cool!! I could work on something, one of my profs is writing a book entitled the Politics of Star Trek. I could talk to him tonight and see if he wants a research assistent for other books based on ficitional governments.... Imagine. Getting paid to write a book on political science AND gaming. It is far to good to be true, but I might do it anyway. Now here's a question... would WotC pay me? Rosisha, who is probably far to addicted to political science since he is really considering this...
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:27:29	Rosisha is male! :OMG!