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zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 14:51:20 SOME SPOILER INFO FROM THE LOST SOULS

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I was some questions about the lastest War of Souls book that came out and some other general info.

THere were 5 dragon lords right?
-Malystryx
-Berrilinthalox (Green Dragon but not Cyan Bloodbane right?)
-Skie (What's his dragon name?)
-THe White one
-Onsyblet (Black dragon, was that his name?)

-Now they were the last of the major large overpowered dragons that ruled their respective areas. ANd i believe i read that Malys died, but what happened to the others? Maybe I read it at sometime and forgot, but could someone give me a brief synopsis of what happened to the other 4 dragon rulers.

-Supposively when Fizban told Palin that the gods agreed to leave Krynn if Chaos did, that Fizban was actually Tahkisis in disguise. WHere did anyone read this, cause i never have. But also in regards to that, was it a lie? Did the gods actually leave?
If so how did Tahkisis manage to stay without Chaos or the other gods realizing she was still back at Krynn?

-How powerful are Paladine and Tahkisis in human form now that their not gods any longer?? Are they Epic level characters?

-Enisei

"Hope is the denial of reality" - Raistlin or Elistrum, i forgot!
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:06:09 Beryl died. Slain by the Qualinesti Elves, effectively destroying the city of Qualinost and turning it into a lake of death.

Skie(Khellendros) died. Slain by Mina and the power of the One God.

Malys dead.

Frost still alive and kickin'.

Same for the Black *****.

Takhisis stole the planet. She moved it when noone was looking. The other gods noticed that something was a miss but they were lost and adrift in the ethereal sea with no planet to watch over. We're not too sure on what happened to Chaos actually, but he's gone so we're happy.

Valthonis (AKA Paladine) is a normal Mortal. Not powerful at all. Takhisis is dead. DEAD! DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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B-naa
Sep 24, 2003 15:18:28
Originally posted by Enisei

Now they were the last of the major large overpowered dragons that ruled their respective areas. ANd i believe i read that Malys died, but what happened to the others? Maybe I read it at sometime and forgot, but could someone give me a brief synopsis of what happened to the other 4 dragon rulers.

Beryl died taking out Qualinost. Mina killed Malys and Khellendros (Skie).

-Supposively when Fizban told Palin that the gods agreed to leave Krynn if Chaos did, that Fizban was actually Tahkisis in disguise. WHere did anyone read this, cause i never have. But also in regards to that, was it a lie? Did the gods actually leave?
If so how did Tahkisis manage to stay without Chaos or the other gods realizing she was still back at Krynn?

This was in the appendix that was in the hard cover version of DoaVM. It was cut from the paperback though. Basically Takhisis stole the world and hid it from the Gods.

-How powerful are Paladine and Tahkisis in human form now that their not gods any longer?? Are they Epic level characters?

As of yet there are no stats for Paladine's mortal form. And Takhisis is dead, so again no stats.

"Hope is the denial of reality" - Raistlin or Elistrum, i forgot!

Raistlin
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:18:33 OKay i realize Tahkisis is dead, but i was under the assumption she will return shortly seeing as Mina took her off to some unknown destination and is completely obssessed with Takhkisis.

You sure Valonthis or whatever his name is , is simply a mortal and not powerful? I hate to point to FR settings, but during the time of troubles, when the Gods in Forgotten Realms were made mortal, they were still Very very powerful just mortal rather than immortal. THis is how i imagine Paladine to be. Very powerful but can still be slain with a good roll.

-Well hell if i'm the white or black dragon overlord, i'd be all up on taking over Krynn. THey've got to be more powerful than any mortal on Krynn, i should expect them to step-up and take over where Malys left off.
#5
B-naa
Sep 24, 2003 15:24:18
Originally posted by Enisei

-Well hell if i'm the white or black dragon overlord, i'd be all up on taking over Krynn. THey've got to be more powerful than any mortal on Krynn, i should expect them to step-up and take over where Malys left off.

I don't think so, the Gods are back, and I don't think they're going to let that happen. Also remember that there were minor Dragon lords that had their own territory.

Malys was the most powerful of the Dragon Overlords, and she got killed by Takhisis (shortly before Takhisis was made mortal). And now all the Gods have returned (well all the surviving ones anyway) so I think they're going to have to be careful about any such attempt, to take over Krynn.
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zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:25:26 I'd be scared as all hell if i was Frost or Sable. One girl, with One god, killed three of their cohorts. Now the entire pantheon has returned, I'd be scared as all crap.

There is very rarely resurrection in Dragonlance. It is assumed that Mina carried off Tak's corpse, put it on a slab, and gave it a beautiful burial. But there are soem thoughts that Tak will return. I for one would prefer not.

But you have two different things completely in Time of Troubles versus Paladine's giving up the mantle of godhood. Paladine gave up the divine spark to make himself a mere mortal. He wou;ldn't be a mage because that makes little sense. he wouldn't be a Cleric, Cleric of who? Mysticism doesn't seem like his schtick. Paladine has given up his great strength, great wisdom, great, etc.. in return for a normal elven body.
#7
rosisha
Sep 24, 2003 15:27:58 Black Dragon Bob steps and goes "Yo punks! Me the new law of the land. Expect me to pop some acid in your butt!" Mortals look at him and point. Something taps him on the shoulder.

He turns around.

Standing there is a giant minotaur that makes him look like a newt. Kiri-Jolith grins. Black Dragon nods, has a heart attack and dies to save both the trouble of a fight. Everyone cheers and goes back to bed.

White Dragon, unaware of his cousin Bob's heart attack, steps up and goes "ME! ME ME! I WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!" Suddenly he notices that it is getting hot. Glimpsing back over his shoulder he notices a blood red burning condor making a fireball and grinning evilly. White Dragon tries to fly all the way back to his homeplane but gets toasted.

Both God's return to the heavens happy that they have no more interloppers in their control of the world.

Rosisha, the next great American author
#8
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:33:30 Okay since when did the Gods of Krynn interefer SO directly with the world? Isn't that some unwritten rule of Godhood. You can't interfere to that extent unless you enter the world physically? What kept the Gods of Good from not simply destroying masses of evil dragons during the War of the Lance when all the good dragons were tricked into staying in hiding? No, i dont believei that Gods can interefere with the directness that you guys assume up above. I think if the dragons want to come out and start getting medieval on Krynn, then it will be up to mortals on Krynn to take them down. Sure Mina/Tahkisis took down the two most powerful dragons , but that was when her power was unchecked by the other gods, Now all the gods are back, they must keep each other in check. THerefore i dont believe the gods of good can simple do what they wish with the Dragon overlords, i think they'll play a role in teh near future.

-Enisei
#9
rosisha
Sep 24, 2003 15:36:22 I believe they could interfere here because these are dragons that go beyond good or evil. They want to challange the god's directly, not just take over bits of territory. Natural krynn dragons doing their things is part of the balance. These guys upset the balance horribly. I'm sure the God's don't like this.

Rosisha
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zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:36:46 The dragons are not pawns of the gods that's the difference. Before it was Chromatic versus Metallic, Good versus Evil. it was interpersonal warring amongst the pantheon. The Overlords are alien menaces disrupting all of Krynn. But! the above thing with Kiri Jo'lith and Sargas is improbable. BUT, the gods will now have champions, lots of champions, and they'll definitely help these champions, alot. It will be dragon dying time.
#11
B-naa
Sep 24, 2003 16:08:51
Originally posted by Enisei
Okay since when did the Gods of Krynn interefer SO directly with the world? Isn't that some unwritten rule of Godhood. You can't interfere to that extent unless you enter the world physically? What kept the Gods of Good from not simply destroying masses of evil dragons during the War of the Lance when all the good dragons were tricked into staying in hiding? No, i dont believei that Gods can interefere with the directness that you guys assume up above. I think if the dragons want to come out and start getting medieval on Krynn, then it will be up to mortals on Krynn to take them down. Sure Mina/Tahkisis took down the two most powerful dragons , but that was when her power was unchecked by the other gods, Now all the gods are back, they must keep each other in check. THerefore i dont believe the gods of good can simple do what they wish with the Dragon overlords, i think they'll play a role in teh near future.

-Enisei

I don't mean that they (the Gods) neccessarily would interfere so directly, they might. Afterall this is a new age, where not even the Gods know what's to come. But they could sponser champions and empower them somewhat to defeat the remaining Great Dragons.

Another thing is, that the Gods of Good won't like these Dragons because they harm the people. Some of the Gods of Neutrality won't really like that either, and especially Chislev won't like how they're twisting nature. The Gods of Evil are likely to see them as a threat.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 17:05:24 Wait, since when does Kiri-Jolith manifest as a Minotaur?
#13
daedavias_dup
Sep 24, 2003 17:07:23
Originally posted by L33t Angel
Wait, since when does Kiri-Jolith manifest as a Minotaur?

They don't call him the Bison-headed Minotaur god for nothing.
#14
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 17:10:34 Your, momma, calls him that.

Wait, that doesn't make sense....

:D Lol. I just find that being his avatar odd considering very VERY few Minotaurs revere KJ. Ah well, sounds cool to me.
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zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 12:30:11 Well Kiri-Jolith appears as a white Bison headed humanoid I would not really call him a Minotaur. A Minotaur is a bull-man not a bison man but they would look similiar.

Certainly on looks alone I could see a good Minotaur align themselves with Kiri before any other god of good.

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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 14:51:20	SOME SPOILER INFO FROM THE LOST SOULS . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . I was some questions about the lastest War of Souls book that came out and some other general info. THere were 5 dragon lords right? -Malystryx -Berrilinthalox (Green Dragon but not Cyan Bloodbane right?) -Skie (What's his dragon name?) -THe White one -Onsyblet (Black dragon, was that his name?) -Now they were the last of the major large overpowered dragons that ruled their respective areas. ANd i believe i read that Malys died, but what happened to the others? Maybe I read it at sometime and forgot, but could someone give me a brief synopsis of what happened to the other 4 dragon rulers. -Supposively when Fizban told Palin that the gods agreed to leave Krynn if Chaos did, that Fizban was actually Tahkisis in disguise. WHere did anyone read this, cause i never have. But also in regards to that, was it a lie? Did the gods actually leave? If so how did Tahkisis manage to stay without Chaos or the other gods realizing she was still back at Krynn? -How powerful are Paladine and Tahkisis in human form now that their not gods any longer?? Are they Epic level characters? -Enisei "Hope is the denial of reality" - Raistlin or Elistrum, i forgot!
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:06:09	Beryl died. Slain by the Qualinesti Elves, effectively destroying the city of Qualinost and turning it into a lake of death. Skie(Khellendros) died. Slain by Mina and the power of the One God. Malys dead. Frost still alive and kickin'. Same for the Black *****. Takhisis stole the planet. She moved it when noone was looking. The other gods noticed that something was a miss but they were lost and adrift in the ethereal sea with no planet to watch over. We're not too sure on what happened to Chaos actually, but he's gone so we're happy. Valthonis (AKA Paladine) is a normal Mortal. Not powerful at all. Takhisis is dead. DEAD! DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#3 B-naa Sep 24, 2003 15:18:28	Originally posted by Enisei Now they were the last of the major large overpowered dragons that ruled their respective areas. ANd i believe i read that Malys died, but what happened to the others? Maybe I read it at sometime and forgot, but could someone give me a brief synopsis of what happened to the other 4 dragon rulers. Beryl died taking out Qualinost. Mina killed Malys and Khellendros (Skie). -Supposively when Fizban told Palin that the gods agreed to leave Krynn if Chaos did, that Fizban was actually Tahkisis in disguise. WHere did anyone read this, cause i never have. But also in regards to that, was it a lie? Did the gods actually leave? If so how did Tahkisis manage to stay without Chaos or the other gods realizing she was still back at Krynn? This was in the appendix that was in the hard cover version of DoaVM. It was cut from the paperback though. Basically Takhisis stole the world and hid it from the Gods. -How powerful are Paladine and Tahkisis in human form now that their not gods any longer?? Are they Epic level characters? As of yet there are no stats for Paladine's mortal form. And Takhisis is dead, so again no stats. "Hope is the denial of reality" - Raistlin or Elistrum, i forgot! Raistlin
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:18:33	OKay i realize Tahkisis is dead, but i was under the assumption she will return shortly seeing as Mina took her off to some unknown destination and is completely obssessed with Takhkisis. You sure Valonthis or whatever his name is , is simply a mortal and not powerful? I hate to point to FR settings, but during the time of troubles, when the Gods in Forgotten Realms were made mortal, they were still Very very powerful just mortal rather than immortal. THis is how i imagine Paladine to be. Very powerful but can still be slain with a good roll. -Well hell if i'm the white or black dragon overlord, i'd be all up on taking over Krynn. THey've got to be more powerful than any mortal on Krynn, i should expect them to step-up and take over where Malys left off.
#5 B-naa Sep 24, 2003 15:24:18	Originally posted by Enisei -Well hell if i'm the white or black dragon overlord, i'd be all up on taking over Krynn. THey've got to be more powerful than any mortal on Krynn, i should expect them to step-up and take over where Malys left off. I don't think so, the Gods are back, and I don't think they're going to let that happen. Also remember that there were minor Dragon lords that had their own territory. Malys was the most powerful of the Dragon Overlords, and she got killed by Takhisis (shortly before Takhisis was made mortal). And now all the Gods have returned (well all the surviving ones anyway) so I think they're going to have to be careful about any such attempt, to take over Krynn.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:25:26	I'd be scared as all hell if i was Frost or Sable. One girl, with One god, killed three of their cohorts. Now the entire pantheon has returned, I'd be scared as all crap. There is very rarely resurrection in Dragonlance. It is assumed that Mina carried off Tak's corpse, put it on a slab, and gave it a beautiful burial. But there are soem thoughts that Tak will return. I for one would prefer not. But you have two different things completely in Time of Troubles versus Paladine's giving up the mantle of godhood. Paladine gave up the divine spark to make himself a mere mortal. He wou;ldn't be a mage because that makes little sense. he wouldn't be a Cleric, Cleric of who? Mysticism doesn't seem like his schtick. Paladine has given up his great strength, great wisdom, great, etc.. in return for a normal elven body.
#7 rosisha Sep 24, 2003 15:27:58	Black Dragon Bob steps and goes "Yo punks! Me the new law of the land. Expect me to pop some acid in your butt!" Mortals look at him and point. Something taps him on the shoulder. He turns around. Standing there is a giant minotaur that makes him look like a newt. Kiri-Jolith grins. Black Dragon nods, has a heart attack and dies to save both the trouble of a fight. Everyone cheers and goes back to bed. White Dragon, unaware of his cousin Bob's heart attack, steps up and goes "ME! ME ME! I WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!" Suddenly he notices that it is getting hot. Glimpsing back over his shoulder he notices a blood red burning condor making a fireball and grinning evilly. White Dragon tries to fly all the way back to his homeplane but gets toasted. Both God's return to the heavens happy that they have no more interloppers in their control of the world. Rosisha, the next great American author
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:33:30	Okay since when did the Gods of Krynn interefer SO directly with the world? Isn't that some unwritten rule of Godhood. You can't interfere to that extent unless you enter the world physically? What kept the Gods of Good from not simply destroying masses of evil dragons during the War of the Lance when all the good dragons were tricked into staying in hiding? No, i dont believei that Gods can interefere with the directness that you guys assume up above. I think if the dragons want to come out and start getting medieval on Krynn, then it will be up to mortals on Krynn to take them down. Sure Mina/Tahkisis took down the two most powerful dragons , but that was when her power was unchecked by the other gods, Now all the gods are back, they must keep each other in check. THerefore i dont believe the gods of good can simple do what they wish with the Dragon overlords, i think they'll play a role in teh near future. -Enisei
#9 rosisha Sep 24, 2003 15:36:22	I believe they could interfere here because these are dragons that go beyond good or evil. They want to challange the god's directly, not just take over bits of territory. Natural krynn dragons doing their things is part of the balance. These guys upset the balance horribly. I'm sure the God's don't like this. Rosisha
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:36:46	The dragons are not pawns of the gods that's the difference. Before it was Chromatic versus Metallic, Good versus Evil. it was interpersonal warring amongst the pantheon. The Overlords are alien menaces disrupting all of Krynn. But! the above thing with Kiri Jo'lith and Sargas is improbable. BUT, the gods will now have champions, lots of champions, and they'll definitely help these champions, alot. It will be dragon dying time.
#11 B-naa Sep 24, 2003 16:08:51	Originally posted by Enisei Okay since when did the Gods of Krynn interefer SO directly with the world? Isn't that some unwritten rule of Godhood. You can't interfere to that extent unless you enter the world physically? What kept the Gods of Good from not simply destroying masses of evil dragons during the War of the Lance when all the good dragons were tricked into staying in hiding? No, i dont believei that Gods can interefere with the directness that you guys assume up above. I think if the dragons want to come out and start getting medieval on Krynn, then it will be up to mortals on Krynn to take them down. Sure Mina/Tahkisis took down the two most powerful dragons , but that was when her power was unchecked by the other gods, Now all the gods are back, they must keep each other in check. THerefore i dont believe the gods of good can simple do what they wish with the Dragon overlords, i think they'll play a role in teh near future. -Enisei I don't mean that they (the Gods) neccessarily would interfere so directly, they might. Afterall this is a new age, where not even the Gods know what's to come. But they could sponser champions and empower them somewhat to defeat the remaining Great Dragons. Another thing is, that the Gods of Good won't like these Dragons because they harm the people. Some of the Gods of Neutrality won't really like that either, and especially Chislev won't like how they're twisting nature. The Gods of Evil are likely to see them as a threat.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 17:05:24	Wait, since when does Kiri-Jolith manifest as a Minotaur?
#13 daedavias_dup Sep 24, 2003 17:07:23	Originally posted by L33t Angel Wait, since when does Kiri-Jolith manifest as a Minotaur? They don't call him the Bison-headed Minotaur god for nothing.
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 17:10:34	Your, momma, calls him that. Wait, that doesn't make sense.... :D Lol. I just find that being his avatar odd considering very VERY few Minotaurs revere KJ. Ah well, sounds cool to me.
#15 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 12:30:11	Well Kiri-Jolith appears as a white Bison headed humanoid I would not really call him a Minotaur. A Minotaur is a bull-man not a bison man but they would look similiar. Certainly on looks alone I could see a good Minotaur align themselves with Kiri before any other god of good.