I'm not sure if any or how many of the portals to the abyss are still left, but maybe Tahkisis will find a way to discover one and try to re-enter the portal and take back over the abyss, challenging the other gods in her wake.
She has to be a pretty powerful mortal if she was a god at some point, perhaps she could become more powerful with armies on Krynn and with magic devices and what not..what would stop her from entering the abyss with these armies and magic and taking it over again or killing the other gods if she has the power?
Is she still powerful though? DOes she have to worship a different evil god to gain magic abilities or cleric abilities, or does she get to keep some inherent form of them from her god days?
Also since Tahkisis is now mortal, does this mean Mina has no more cleric abilities? So now she's just a simple level 0 fighter?
-Enisei
Man, I hate to break this to you, but... Tak died.
She became mortal for twelve seconds and then BAM she died. Dead as a doornail. Bam.
She ain't goin no where.
Originally posted by Enisei
what would stop her from entering the abyss with these armies and magic and taking it over again or killing the other gods if she has the power?
The fact that she is dead?
Originally posted by Enisei
***My apologizes, i see that i must be as specific as a doctor in quadruple bypass surgery or else these simple minds won't understand, but lets go ahead and assume, that Weis and HIckman won't keep one of the most crucial characters in all of the books dead for very long.***
Well...I will ignore the fact that this is highly insulting and the fact that after about 5 seconds I have zero respect for you, and remark on your completely uninformed comment.
Takhisis is dead. End of story.
Margaret, Tracy, Jamie, Chris, and everyone else involved with taking Dragonlance into the future have all stated on many occasions that they had no intention of ever reviving Takhisis, and still have no intention of ever doing so.
Ever.
Besides, resurrection is not a big theme in DL. Until Goldmoon's miraculous recreation it is quite possible that noone in all of Dragonlance history has EVER been ressurected. None. Find an example in a novel then I can look like a horse's ass.
Plus the aforementioned author testimonials...
And now, I bid thee adieu.
Originally posted by L33t Angel
Besides, resurrection is not a big theme in DL. Until Goldmoon's miraculous recreation it is quite possible that noone in all of Dragonlance history has EVER been ressurected. None. Find an example in a novel then I can look like a horse's ass.
Plus the aforementioned author testimonials...
And now, I bid thee adieu.
Technically Crysania was resurrected.
TECHNICALLY.
But otherwise I must agree, the prospect of Takhisis being resurrected is just as silly as a kender going through time...a mortal becoming a god...A KENDER WIZARD!!!
And just so you know, Enisei, people tend to respond better to comments if you don't call them incompetent.
There have been debates on Crysania and whether or not she was really DEAD. Since Paladine was holding onto her soul and protecting it it makes the thought that she actually died kind of suspect.
I can't remember if he was dead, I DO remember him still being alive afterwards, but I'm not sure if he died, and Goldmoon resurrected him, or if she just healed all his brutal wounds.
Please do not resort to name calling as it is against the Code of Conduct.
Also you'll find that people are far more hostile when provoked, and less likely to answer your questions. More importantly it makes these boards a less friendly place to be around.
Your friendly neighbourhood Moderator
B'naa
Regarding the Queen of Darkness, I'm pretty sure she won't be back. However, there is one plot thread regarding her that's been dangling for fifteen years or more.
In War of the Twins, when Tas encounters Her Dark Majesty, she informs him of her plans to change history by preventing Fistandantilus from aiding Raistlin during the Test. This is never brought up again, and unless it's in the appendix dealing with time travel, even the Annotated Legends doesn't mention anything about it. (I don't have the book myself yet--thanks go out to Tal for providing me info.)
I don't think any official material will ever address it--the Dragonqueen is gone and may very well be forbidden from ever being a driving force in game or novel material again :-)--but it's something interesting to muse on.
Matthew L. Martin
As for Takie, she's gone. Dead. And good ridance, too... Honestly, I never liked Takie..... She was more or less a version of Lolth, but even more brainless. But that's my own two cents.
And no, i don't think they ripped Lolth for Tak. I just compaired the two. Now flame on!
Takhisis is dead. There is no official (or as far as I know unofficial) plans to bring her back. However there is enough to futz around with in the ending of War of Souls so that you can do something with her in your own campaign. I mean, her soul has to be somewhere. Did she progress on in the river of souls? Dunno. Did she go to the Abyss? Maybe.
[South Park: Saddam Hussein returning to hell after he died the second time: "Where else would I go? Detroit?"]
With the rumors stating that her spirit has been spotted: that could be for real, and it could be bupkis.
[Bupkis = The genetic child of Bupu and Takhisis. See my post on the D&DNA kit if you dare.]
As far as Paladine and Takhisis are concerned, I think they'll leave the two of them in their current positions for a good while in order to let this flavor of the world develop for a bit. Afterward, they may change their minds; or the two of them are locked into where they are forever; or something else will happen.
But for now, officially, Takhisis is pushing up fertilizer and Paladine is pushing another type of b*lls**t . :D
Perhaps had you even bothered to finish answering the remainder of my original question instead of responding with some smart arse answer as you did, then you wouldn't be crying right now in your own self sorrow because you feel some complete stranger hundreds of miles away has "insulted" you.
Nonetheless, ressurection obviously isnt forbidden in DL, as some of you have pointed out, it's been used a few times already, so i think it's not unlikely that Tahkisis will return to live in some form or another. Unfortunately for my argument, the evil gods on Krynn seem to be more on the neutral/good side rather than evil, so i'm not sure if bringing her back to life would be worth it to them, but i'm sure there is some deal one of the evil aligned gods could strike with Takhisis.
FInally, my original questions was under the assumption that perhaps Tahkisis could/would return. If in your head you don't believe she will every return as some form or not to play a somewhat important if not very important role, than don't crap on my thread, and cause me to respond as i did and hurt your fragile feelings. If you can't add something positive besides "Well duh... umm she's dead dude.. DUHHH" than please screw off and go entertain someone else's thread with your "neverending knowledge of Dragonlance".
-Enisei
Well for starters moderator, i didn't call anyone a horses arse, nor did i call anyone any name for that matter. I think many of you get way to emotional at times, as though i just ran over your dog and hung him in front of your doorway. So enough crying when you think you've been insulted.
Talking back to the moderator is never a good idea.
And the last part of the first paragraph of my previous post wasn't to the moderator it was to the 3 people who responded first with the same useless response, because i assume they have nothing intelligent to add to this thread, but want to increas there post count, hell i dont know!
-Enisei
simple minds
:D And I'm allowed to call myself a Horse's Ass, its in the Constitution!
Fine, on to your actual question....
No, I don't think its possible, and here is hy.
We have assumed that Takhisis has been reborn, that parts done.
First up, Takhisis raises an army. Collects magic, yadda, yadda. Whatever Takhisis has their's only ONE way to get into the Abyss. Just the one. The Portal in the Tower of High Sorcery in Nightlund is the only access point to the infernal Realms. Noone is allowed into the Tower barring the Divine intervention of one of the three gods of magic. None of the gods will ally with Takhisis, not since she tried to screw everyone over. She's up the creek without a paddle here. her armies can toss themselves at the Tower all they want but they ain't getting in.
Now, let's say she broke into the Tower, somehow, she heads up to the top of the Tower and stands in front of the door. Is she the Master of Past and Present? No. Once again, creek, paddle, horrible spectres.
Now once again, BIG leap, she's in the room. She walks up to the portal. Is she a black Robed Mage or a Cleric of a God of Light? None of the gods will allow their Clerics to travel with the Dark Queen. So either the portal doesn't move, or the dragons consume her. Where'd that paddle go?
So she gets into the abyss. Right on Chemosh, Morgon, Sargas, Hiddukel and Zeboim's territory. She is completely outnumbered and they are invincible on their own plane. Wham, Bam, thank you, Ms. PADDLE?!?!? WHERE'S MY PADDLE?!?!?!
In the end its over. Takhisis is completely foiled many times over.
I think i was under the assumption that magic works differentl. That gods banished from the heavens were still all powerful, just mortal rather than immortal, which would make me think there are ways for her to enter the abyss. But as you said if the only portal is in NIghtlund, and she's not the master of p&p, then yes you're correct, she's up a creek.
-Enisei
I think i was under the assumption that magic works differentl. That gods banished from the heavens were still all powerful, just mortal rather than immortal, which would make me think there are ways for her to enter the abyss. But as you said if the only portal is in NIghtlund, and she's not the master of p&p, then yes you're correct, she's up a creek.
From what we have seen so far the fallen gods they are not really powerfull. If they had the powers that you speculate they have then Takhisis would have been able to just heal herself. Or Paladine would have been able to intervene to save Silvanoshei. Yeah Sargonnas got in his way but Sargonnas is not on his own plane. And we know that powerfull mortals can take on gods if the gods show up on the material.
Unfortunately for my argument, the evil gods on Krynn seem to be more on the neutral/good side rather than evil,
I don't agree with this statement. The gods of evil are evil. If they did not seem that way during the WoS is because they wanted to get their world back and to punish Takhisis. These extraordinary circumstances meant that all the gods were working together for the same goal.
FR
What I am doing is this, an army of Baatezu has been summoned by a Black Mage / Devil Summoner. This particular mage has offered to aid Mina in reviving Takhisis from the dead and to restore her godhood, but what he did not tell her is that he is also aiding a Pit Fiend named Falstra whom only wants Takhisis to return to Godhood becuase destroying a god is the only way the Pit Fiend can become a God instead of a servant. I kinda placed the abyss in a state of choas and decided that there would be a power struggle over the new ruler of the Abyss. This is also why I allowed a Half-Celestial into the game, as the one person that knows of the plot and is working with the Mortal man in order to prevent this from happening.
Originally posted by Enisei
hahaha christ, does this ever end. My god what kind of world do some of you live in where you think this moderator character is a KGB operative. Yes he's the moderator, he controls the content. I'm sure there's a reason he's a moderator and not someone else, but as long as i dont break the rules i'm not going to curb my attitude or what i have to say because i'm not sure the moderator will "like what i have to say". I could care less. Once again we have a 9 yr old past his bedtime crapping on my thread. Go brush your teeth and head to bed frojas. Don't add useless garbage comments like that to this thread.
And the last part of the first paragraph of my previous post wasn't to the moderator it was to the 3 people who responded first with the same useless response, because i assume they have nothing intelligent to add to this thread, but want to increas there post count, hell i dont know!
-Enisei
HOW you say things is important around here. Sure, it's fine to have a differing opinon, but being hostile and insulting isn't conductive of a long future here on the message boards.
He didn't specify who said what to whom. He pointed out that everyone should behave and be civil to each other.
Please play nice, or not at all. Thank you.
Hmm. Not likely. But what's up with the attitude, dear boy? "9 year old crapping in my thread"? "Simple minds"?
Ooooh, wait, there's this nice PM button, where I can be as nasty as I like.
I've read somewhere that if Takhisis is ever resurrected or if someone even attemts to bring her back. That the gods would udderly destroy Krynn. It would be the 3rd, and final cataclism. I can't think of where i read this. Either the end of WOS, or in the DLCS, or AOM.
This is appears on page 196 of AoM. Its in the paragraph right before Mina's stat block. One thing, we are told that the gods have decreed that if anyone disturbs Takhisis's rest the gods will bring about a final cataclysm. Whether not resurrection counts as "disturbing her rest" is up to interpretation.
FR
"We didn't mean for her to be executed. We meant to punish her, but the concept of setting the precident of actually causing the death of one of our number was 'NEVER' something we intented. We erred beyond anything we believed possible, and so this is a very sore point for us. Therefore her resting place and her body is Holier than anything that ever was / is / or will be on Krynn. It is to be respected and not to be defiled regardless of what the anyone's opinions were of the Dark Queen. And so, in short, Don't Temp Us!"
But that's my own interpretation.
I know, a long shot, and not very likely at all, but if someone wants to have a homebrew of a campaign story arc, that's a possibility. I never liked Tak very much, but you gotta admit, she was quite an ambitious plotter, and generally showed alot more guile and ruthlessness than any of the other evil gods.
However, I'm a bit more of a purist, so personally, I think I'll stay away from the bringing her back thing myself, unless the Krynn storyline/Canon decides to bring her back... ;)
Originally posted by L33t Angel
Besides, resurrection is not a big theme in DL. Until Goldmoon's miraculous recreation it is quite possible that noone in all of Dragonlance history has EVER been ressurected. None. Find an example in a novel then I can look like a horse's ass.
Plus the aforementioned author testimonials...
And now, I bid thee adieu.
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Cathan (a human), was resurrected by the Kingpriest. There were no ifs, ands or buts about it. Cathan was dead. The Kingpriest waved his hands, did some more mumbo jumbo, and BOOM! Now Cathan passes gas, burps, and scratches himself inappropriately with the best of them.
All of this and more can be found in the new Kingpriest Trilogy.
But the Kingpriest was, at some point, the most powerful Cleric the world has ever known. He managed to get a mountain tossed on him so he must have been doing something right.
I saw Riverwind as teetering on the brink of life & death. Just when he started to cross over, Goldmoon brought him back - but I consider that actual healing and not resurrection.
Of course...all of those could be contributed "devine" intervention.
Vanity has always been her downfall. Instead of concentrating on winning she would relish on one of her grand entrances or a display of power just before a dragonlance gets rammed in her nether region.I say let her lie and let's see what the DM's of the world will do with it.
You can start hitting me now.....;)
Takhisis can come back in spirit form, again as a mortal, a divine being, or never again. She is on the whole only a single character, but she is also a plot motivater. And if she doesn't motivate the plot, someone else will. And unless the 'good-guys-win-at-the-last-second' cycle is broken, then there is no difference whether Takhisis died for good or not.
Plus, they are still slightly unbalanced...though there might be the contention...there is one more neutral than good or evil...and though it's a balanced neutrality, I don't consider that balanced representation.
besides, i never liked her anyway. too shallow, typical, so on.
Originally posted by DragonRaven
Im running a DragonLance campaign and im bringing back Tahkisis. What I had happen was that at the moment Silvanoshei killed Tahkisis, her soul transfered to Mina, therefore creating in Mina a duel personality, both fighting for control! What the players have to do is find some way to stop Tahkisis/Mina before they can restore Tahkisis to being a god!
Hmmm....... a schizophrenic bad guy. That would add a lot of chaotic flavor. If it was anybody but Takhisis I would agree with you.
The Gods of Krynn actually took the time to say that she had to become mortal and then went throught with it. (as we all know she dies) You might call that foreshadowing, but if you take a look there is a lot of foreshadowing in all the books. I think that the DL writers quite often leave themselves with an outlet for new stories. I mean there are each and every one of Tas's time travel adventures, the Draconians that come to Sanction, etc. The Majere family......I think it is just another way for them to say that they can write about whatever the heck they want to write about.
Originally posted by Xaxor
Just to add my words in. During Uncon I got the wonderful opportunity to ask a few question of Ms Weis and Ms Hickman. And my first question happened to be about Paladine becoming mortal and what would happen to his soul. According to the official source, he's perfectly mortal and will go on to join the River of Souls when he passes. So its the same with Takhisis. She's gone to wherever the souls go.
Of course, if you think of it this way, dragons are mortals too. Its my own little private thought that Paladine took his Platinum Dragon form and used alternate form to become an elf. Imagine Mina's surprise...
Originally posted by joshuaharding
that last post was absoultely brilliant i agree with everything you said. DL 3rd Ed is lacking, and fifth age was too. I however do like Dragonlance to change even drastacilly change, and i did like Weis and Hickmans last DL series, but the gaming matieral is lackluster.
Heh...Im going to disagree with that because I can.....Ummm.....I'm gonna put mr harding here on the spot....How is the new gaming material lackluster? I'd like to see something concrete here, getting a little tired of those armchair director types....perhaps you can contibute to better products by offering constructive criticism, rather than dissing on it with absolutely no substance to your claims.