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QUestions about Raistlin in the abyss?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 14:58:32 Okay we all know that mages get their powers from one of the 3 gods of magic. If Raistlin was attempting to enter the abyss (Way back when he was attempting to do this) and kill Tahksis, and from then on all the other gods, wouldn't the gods of magic simply STOP giving him the magical ability? Wouldn't it make sense that Nuitari would cease to allow Raistlin to have magic the minute Raistlin began to challenge the 3 cousins? Perhaps before that he kills Tahksis and takes her inherent powers, but still wouldn't the cousins stop that and cease his magic before it even got that far? I mean sheesh for being gods they dont' seem to think very clearly at times..

-Enisei
#2
shugi
Sep 24, 2003 15:45:13 Krynnish gods are neither omnipotent nor omniscient. It's possible that S/L/N hadn't foreseen Raistlin's hunger for power continuing beyond godhood.

On the other hand, it is known that Nuitari (at least) was still around in Legends and that Raistlin still had some kind of respect for him. So even when he became a god, you could argue that he wasn't going to wipe everyone else away.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 15:58:54 The gods of Magic don't maintain an active watch over their followers, and, unlike Mystra of FR, don't automatically cut off access to arcane magic the instant one of their wizards does something they don't like.
Fistandantilus, after all, also sought to become a god and Nuitari still granted him magic.
Same thing with Lyim Rhistadt; he sought to disobey the gods of Magic by entering the Lost Citadel, and he also sought to drain arcane magic entirely from Krynn, but still the moon gods granted him magic.
It would seem they keep to the Balance in all things.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 16:08:33 Prrfff... it seems to me the authors choose not to answer that question. Obviously Raistling and Fistandilus, two of the most if not the most powerful wizards in the entire world of Krynn, will be watched by all the gods, ESPECIALLY the gods of magic. SUre the gods dont watch over everyone, but gimme a break, L/S/N their whole existence is to provide magic and keep the balance. OBviously if Raist or Fist is trying to enter the abyss to destory not only the other gods, but themselves as well, they would have clearly been alerted some time before that happened.

-Enisei
#5
baron_the_curse
Sep 24, 2003 16:09:39 I've been waiting for a second magic trilogy the can match the caliber of Defenders of Magic. Those books where just awesome.
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 16:13:28
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
I've been waiting for a second magic trilogy the can match the caliber of Defenders of Magic. Those books where just awesome.

Me too, Baron! I enjoyed the trilogy immensely!
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2003 16:57:56
Originally posted by Enisei
OBviously if Raist or Fist is trying to enter the abyss to destory not only the other gods, but themselves as well, they would have clearly been alerted some time before that happened.

-Enisei

Raistlin and Fistandantilus had no plans to challenge the gods of magic. Their goal was to defeat Takhisis and replace her, the balance would be maintained. Sure, it all goes mad, but noone could have foreseen that. Not Takhisis, not the three Magi, not anyone. Except for Tas and Caramon, but that's a Wyrm of a different color...
#8
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 9:13:03 Wait wait wait, Raistlin also destroyed the other gods and allowed the black moon to remain. Nuitari I think was happy with that.
#9
carteeg
Sep 27, 2003 18:25:17 With the exception that likely all of Nuitari's followers were dead and gone along with everything else.

Nuitari: "Oh... gee... thanks Raist. You've..... wiped out everything...... So what are going to do now, GENIUS!?! PLANT FLOWERS IN THE DESOLATION!?!"

:D
#10
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 14:12:47 Well, Raistlin had been experimenting with creating life at the Tower in Palanthus, thus the live ones. Since they had been imperfect when he was mortal, maybe they'd be improved when he was divine?
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 14:55:23 Or you could say that the gods were being omniscient, and in letting Raistlin 'win', they set up his own later/earlier decision not to defeat Takhisis when Caramon tells him what 'happens', which in effect keeps the balance they want to keep - Without cutting off his magic or anything like that.

That's a mind-bender, now, ain't it?
#12
frojas
Oct 01, 2003 15:26:16 If the gods of magic could selectively stop wizards from using the powers of the moons then the Knights of Takhisis would not have been as powerfull as they where in the 4th Age. Knights of the Thorn draw power from all three moons. But they are renegades. I always assumed that if the Gods of Magic could stop someone from drawing power from them they would have done so with the Thorn Knights.

FR
#13
cam_banks
Oct 01, 2003 15:36:35
Originally posted by frojas
If the gods of magic could selectively stop wizards from using the powers of the moons then the Knights of Takhisis would not have been as powerfull as they where in the 4th Age. Knights of the Thorn draw power from all three moons. But they are renegades. I always assumed that if the Gods of Magic could stop someone from drawing power from them they would have done so with the Thorn Knights.

The Thorn Knights draw power from the moons because Takhisis is directing it to them, not because the Gods of Magic want them to have it. One more reason for Nuitari to despise his mother.

Cheers,
Cam
#14
baron_the_curse
Oct 02, 2003 14:04:00 I’m so glad Thorn Knight’s don’t get the benefits of “Moon Magic” like they did in 2nd Edition. I found it strange that the Thorn Knights magic drew more power from the moons than any of the High Sorcery mages.

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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 14:58:32	Okay we all know that mages get their powers from one of the 3 gods of magic. If Raistlin was attempting to enter the abyss (Way back when he was attempting to do this) and kill Tahksis, and from then on all the other gods, wouldn't the gods of magic simply STOP giving him the magical ability? Wouldn't it make sense that Nuitari would cease to allow Raistlin to have magic the minute Raistlin began to challenge the 3 cousins? Perhaps before that he kills Tahksis and takes her inherent powers, but still wouldn't the cousins stop that and cease his magic before it even got that far? I mean sheesh for being gods they dont' seem to think very clearly at times.. -Enisei
#2 shugi Sep 24, 2003 15:45:13	Krynnish gods are neither omnipotent nor omniscient. It's possible that S/L/N hadn't foreseen Raistlin's hunger for power continuing beyond godhood. On the other hand, it is known that Nuitari (at least) was still around in Legends and that Raistlin still had some kind of respect for him. So even when he became a god, you could argue that he wasn't going to wipe everyone else away.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 15:58:54	The gods of Magic don't maintain an active watch over their followers, and, unlike Mystra of FR, don't automatically cut off access to arcane magic the instant one of their wizards does something they don't like. Fistandantilus, after all, also sought to become a god and Nuitari still granted him magic. Same thing with Lyim Rhistadt; he sought to disobey the gods of Magic by entering the Lost Citadel, and he also sought to drain arcane magic entirely from Krynn, but still the moon gods granted him magic. It would seem they keep to the Balance in all things.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 16:08:33	Prrfff... it seems to me the authors choose not to answer that question. Obviously Raistling and Fistandilus, two of the most if not the most powerful wizards in the entire world of Krynn, will be watched by all the gods, ESPECIALLY the gods of magic. SUre the gods dont watch over everyone, but gimme a break, L/S/N their whole existence is to provide magic and keep the balance. OBviously if Raist or Fist is trying to enter the abyss to destory not only the other gods, but themselves as well, they would have clearly been alerted some time before that happened. -Enisei
#5 baron_the_curse Sep 24, 2003 16:09:39	I've been waiting for a second magic trilogy the can match the caliber of Defenders of Magic. Those books where just awesome.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 16:13:28	Originally posted by Baron the Curse I've been waiting for a second magic trilogy the can match the caliber of Defenders of Magic. Those books where just awesome. Me too, Baron! I enjoyed the trilogy immensely!
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2003 16:57:56	Originally posted by Enisei OBviously if Raist or Fist is trying to enter the abyss to destory not only the other gods, but themselves as well, they would have clearly been alerted some time before that happened. -Enisei Raistlin and Fistandantilus had no plans to challenge the gods of magic. Their goal was to defeat Takhisis and replace her, the balance would be maintained. Sure, it all goes mad, but noone could have foreseen that. Not Takhisis, not the three Magi, not anyone. Except for Tas and Caramon, but that's a Wyrm of a different color...
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 9:13:03	Wait wait wait, Raistlin also destroyed the other gods and allowed the black moon to remain. Nuitari I think was happy with that.
#9 carteeg Sep 27, 2003 18:25:17	With the exception that likely all of Nuitari's followers were dead and gone along with everything else. Nuitari: "Oh... gee... thanks Raist. You've..... wiped out everything...... So what are going to do now, GENIUS!?! PLANT FLOWERS IN THE DESOLATION!?!" :D
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 14:12:47	Well, Raistlin had been experimenting with creating life at the Tower in Palanthus, thus the live ones. Since they had been imperfect when he was mortal, maybe they'd be improved when he was divine?
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 14:55:23	Or you could say that the gods were being omniscient, and in letting Raistlin 'win', they set up his own later/earlier decision not to defeat Takhisis when Caramon tells him what 'happens', which in effect keeps the balance they want to keep - Without cutting off his magic or anything like that. That's a mind-bender, now, ain't it?
#12 frojas Oct 01, 2003 15:26:16	If the gods of magic could selectively stop wizards from using the powers of the moons then the Knights of Takhisis would not have been as powerfull as they where in the 4th Age. Knights of the Thorn draw power from all three moons. But they are renegades. I always assumed that if the Gods of Magic could stop someone from drawing power from them they would have done so with the Thorn Knights. FR
#13 cam_banks Oct 01, 2003 15:36:35	Originally posted by frojas If the gods of magic could selectively stop wizards from using the powers of the moons then the Knights of Takhisis would not have been as powerfull as they where in the 4th Age. Knights of the Thorn draw power from all three moons. But they are renegades. I always assumed that if the Gods of Magic could stop someone from drawing power from them they would have done so with the Thorn Knights. The Thorn Knights draw power from the moons because Takhisis is directing it to them, not because the Gods of Magic want them to have it. One more reason for Nuitari to despise his mother. Cheers, Cam
#14 baron_the_curse Oct 02, 2003 14:04:00	I’m so glad Thorn Knight’s don’t get the benefits of “Moon Magic” like they did in 2nd Edition. I found it strange that the Thorn Knights magic drew more power from the moons than any of the High Sorcery mages.