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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 0:59:31 i know you guys dont like FR as i do(as in my sig)........but i dont see people in the FR forums dissing anyother rp minorities..

I saw in ads and stuff a new greyhawk game is coming out? anyone know about it? it said it offered a demo.:D
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 3:38:45 Sounds like the new Temple of Elemental Evil CRPG, there should be a thread about it here somewhere.
#3
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 9:52:23 Well, I tell you what I wish that were true, but these very boards contain slander pointed in Greyhawks direction.

Follow this link.

Now I have found that many of the GH fans that post here have made wonderfull rebuttles to the obviously mistaken poster and realms fans. Though the debate was a little one sided, even FR gamers making some concessions to GH, the threads existance shows that there is animosity on both sides.
#4
Elendur
Sep 25, 2003 10:04:40 The new Greyhawk game, the Temple of Elemental Evil, is great. I've played it two days and am loving it. It has the best turn based D&D combat I've seen in a game. It does have a lot of annoying interface issues, but nothing show stopping. I'm sure this game is being discussed in the software section of the boards.
#5
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 10:14:40
I'm sure this game is being discussed in the software section of the boards.

Only mildly...

The boards over at Atari have started to calm down. The Whiners have start to play the game instead of pick it apart, they even started saying "Hey, this is a fun game"!
#6
Halberkill
Sep 25, 2003 11:14:32 Well, people on the Greyhawk boards seem to be able to spell words correctly and form coherent sentences. That and they rarely, if ever, type in "bwahaahaahaa" as part of their post.

Just my observation.

Halber
#7
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 11:27:19 Ehhh....yeah I noticed that too.

However, there are online gaming communities of which I am a member that look down on the WoTC boards aswell.....I think the term was ill-mannered, or childish... Something like that.

Oh well, you can't expect super intelligent, precise, on- topic conversation from every community....can you?
#8
Argon
Sep 25, 2003 12:10:06
Oh well, you can't expect super intelligent, precise, on- topic conversation from every community....can you?

Why can't we? Anyhow it's nice to see a FR fan step up and protect his setting. But I on the other hand still don't like FR. Yes, there was some well written books on the setting. Overall though they are few and far between.
So if you like FR than there's really nothing I can do about it. Except feel sorry for you, NOT! Just kidding if that's the type of setting you enjoy, best of luck to you. I for one will preach GH and love ever minute of it.
As far as the game goes it can't be much different from any other RPG type out their. When it comes to rpg video games, they all follow a similar formula. Fight a bunch of baddies level up, fight big baddie at the end and never really accomplish anything.
But it might accomplish what many GH fans want and that is a revival of the GH setting.
#9
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 12:24:01
But it might accomplish what many GH fans want and that is a revival of the GH setting.

Exactly!!!
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 12:42:06 Bwahahahahaha!!!!

Err . . sorry, just couldn't help myself.

If nothing else, hopefully the game will give your GH campaign a few more adventure seeds.
#11
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 12:46:38 Certainly, if you have any plans for using The Temple of Elemental evil or RtTOEE. It has given new life to Hommlet for me.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 13:35:35 So, the general feeling is that it's worth the price?
#13
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 13:39:29 In my opinion yes. You get not one game, but several. It's different for each group alignment you may choose. Be evil and start off burning a Church of St. Cuthbert!!! Be good and return a broach from the fallen Canoness to Hommlett..

Realy cool that they took the time to vary the quests and tailor them to your alighnment!
#14
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 13:44:18 Ah, that sounds cool. I guess I'll have to spend the $50.
#15
Elendur
Sep 25, 2003 14:20:39 Yes it's worth it. If your computer can run it and you are a D&D/Greyhawk fan, you must get this game, for the turn based combat if nothing else.
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 19:50:35
Originally posted by Jagermeister
So, the general feeling is that it's worth the price?

I wouldn't fork out any money for an unfinished piece of work.

Regardless of what the fanboys say, they cannot deny that the game was published unfinished. By Troika's own admission, they were forced to publish the game even though they needed at least another month to work on it. In fact, there may not even be a patch coming out because the publisher (Atari) may not finance it.

Due to it being unfinished, there are MAJOR bugs in it and not just major ones, but NUMEROUS bugs. Some people haven't even been able to install it due to one particular bug and others have had it crash so often that it is virtually unplayable, then there are the lack of features like quests which simply can't be finished, the inability to lose dead characters from your party and a host of other things which make the game less of a game and more of a hassle.

Caveat emptor.
#17
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 21:14:53 bwahahha, ok i said it.

I saw the game in an issue of Computer Gaming World(or was it Monthly instead of World?)

the interface looks like the famed FR Baldur's Gate, with the skills setting and the profile pics. its a pretty new game. maybe newer ones will be 3d (ever tried NWN? i know its FR... but not as many GH d&d games out there.):D
#18
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 21:16:34 I forgot to write down the link (saw it in a doctors office reception room) it offered for the demo and more info(oops) but i bet if youll search it on a game database or on a search engine youll find it.
#19
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 25, 2003 21:19:41 I modded the HELL outta NWN. All my modules are Greyhawk specific.

I have GH: Temple of Elemental Evil. Its buggy as Delglath mentions, but nothing show stopping. Mostly under the hood if you will.

If you just play the game you'll probably enjoy it.
#20
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 13:39:06 Troika originally designed it for a Mature rating but at the last minute it was gutted. Its basically half a CRPG. Till the mature content is put back in and the bugs fixed save your money.
#21
Elendur
Sep 26, 2003 17:39:11 Everyone who has actually played the game is saying its fun, so yes, go out and buy it.
Am I mad that Atari aparrently doesn't have a QA department? Yes. I'm I still having a load of fun playing it? Yes indeed. I got into a fight with my girlfriend over who got to play it last night. I need to get that girl a new computer...
#22
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 19:16:35
Originally posted by Elendur
Everyone who has actually played the game is saying its fun, so yes, go out and buy it.

Err... wrong. The split is about 70/30 in regards to the people who have played it and think it's a buggy piece of crud to those who have played it and like being ripped off so they put up with all the bugs and think it's a great game.
#23
Argon
Sep 26, 2003 21:59:57
Err... wrong. The split is about 70/30 in regards to the people who have played it and think it's a buggy piece of crud to those who have played it and like being ripped off so they put up with all the bugs and think it's a great game.

Yeah, kind of like the star wars fans and the putrid new movies in that series. It's even like the tomb raider series in it's playability. Most of the fans are either disturbed pubescent teenage males, or those members of society who refuse to come to grips with being ripped off.
#24
zombiegleemax
Sep 27, 2003 0:38:35 With the numerous bugs and the castrated game play, ToEE is not worth the money. All it is now is a tactical DnD game when before it actually had worthwhile role play elements with actual choices that effects the game along the good and evil axis with quests and such.

That is no more thanks to Atari's snipping. As I said save your money for something that is worthwhile. Get a game that makes some sort of sense.

Common, how stupid can Atari and Troika be to put in a conversations about children in the game when there is no freaking children to be seen.
#25
Elendur
Sep 27, 2003 20:32:55 Sorry let me clarify. I was referring the posters on this thread. Of those, only two posters have said they'd played the game, myself and gnarly woodsman. Both of us have said its worth it. If any other poster has played the game and doesn't think its worth it, speak up and I'll revise my statement.
#26
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 1:25:57 The game is hella fun...

...once you get past first level.

:D
#27
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 11:28:06 I have played the game and think that having 1/3 of the game gutted out just to get a "Teen" rating sucks. The technical aspects of the game, when it is working right, is good but the story aspects of the game is worse than an old ASCii hack and slasher.

Overall a major step backwards from Arcanum.
#28
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 12:46:13 I bought TOEE about two days after it came out, and have enjoyed every minute of play. The bugs can be a bit annoying, but nothing has made it unplayable. The game has a great amount of replay value, with the different alignments and different characters you can make making it fun just to make parties. Like all games of this type it falls greatly short of the real DnD roleplaying experience, but it is the best roleplaying game of its type, especially as far as the combat is concerned. It is more than worth the $50 to get it.
#29
Elendur
Sep 28, 2003 21:20:28 Ok, I will now revise my statement and say that 4 out of 5 people who have played the game and posted here like it. I'd get my girlfriend to come and post but I can't get her away from the game. So go buy it! Its worth it.
#30
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 23:20:02 I say buy it when it is on sale and after the patch, if there is one.
#31
zombiegleemax
Sep 29, 2003 2:15:58
Originally posted by Elendur
I got into a fight with my girlfriend over who got to play it last night. I need to get that girl a new computer...

On a side note, I'm glad I don't have this problem. My gf would rather watch Sponge Bob Squarepants than have anything to do with gaming. In a way, it's nice to have separate hobbies. :D
#32
zombiegleemax
Sep 29, 2003 18:06:22 The ToEE PC game is very good. I have enjoyed playing it and am "reliving" the original that I ran my brother through quite a few years ago. They have fairly reproduced the original PnP module, with the aforementioned exceptions.

Being the first Greyhawk PC game setting, you can't lose with setting it in Hommlet! Many of my campaigns have begun here, as Hommlet has the small town appeal and has quite a few services available for the adventurer.

I would like to see Troika do the next game set in the Free City of Greyhawk! (FAITHFULLY reproduced of course!) Maybe *gasp* set the next dungeon as Ruins of Castle Greyhawk?

What do you all think?
#33
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 1:56:49 I think the next game should be Vecna Lives! I always loved that module. Imagine the look on the player's faces when the intro part is played...
#34
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 3:52:28 I've tried hard to play this game, but there are just too many bugs and the combat interface is terrible. I had been waiting so long for a faithful, turn based 3rd edition rule implementation, too. I could never stand playing NWN with its attempt to focus on action instead of strategy, and the pause system just doesn't cut it. Maybe after a patch I'll pick it up again, but from the rumors it looks like that may be "never".
#35
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 8:13:09 Dunno if I'd buy it on looking at the screenies alone, dosnt seem to break any new ground as far as an interface goes and, hmmm no multiplayer.
I like multiplayer games.
#36
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2003 7:13:09 Game is so addictive I just finished a nine-hour stretch on Ironman. Unfortunately, I got a little too cocky and decided I was ready to take on the Hill Giant at level 4. Not a good idea...

RIP my characters. Back to the old drawing board.
#37
zombiegleemax
Oct 21, 2003 19:44:17 The next game (if there is going to be one), will most likely (according to Tim Cain, the lead designer) be the GDQ supermodule - Against the Giants, Vault of the Drow, Queen of the Demonweb Pits.

As for the bugs, the official patch is now being tested by Atari, and an unofficial, fan-made one can be found at our site - Circle of Eight:
http://www.co8.org
Don't forget to check out our modding forum!
Also, fell free to use our forums for general Greyhawk discussion .
#38
zombiegleemax
Oct 22, 2003 10:50:25 I say, go out and buy it now. It's well worth the $50 and also sends a signal to Troika and Atari that there is a LARGE GH Fanbase. Consider that, otherwise if it sits on the shelves....end of GH for CRPG! Do not let that happen! Go buy it today and deal with the bugs. There is a patch coming out and Troika / Atari have finally committed to customer support. (Excuse me!?) That should have been a given, but it wasn't at first.

I thoroughly enjoy / enjoyed the game despite the bugs! Well done Troika and Atari!
#39
zombiegleemax
Oct 22, 2003 10:53:49 Crappy GH is worse than no GH...
#40
Elendur
Oct 22, 2003 11:34:42 An update: 6 out of 8 people who have played it and posted on this board like it. Delgath still doesn't like it. I haven't included him in the statistic because he hasn't said that he's played it.

I pulled out my old T1 - village of homlett module and looked at the map on the inside of the cover. Then I looked at my automap of the village in the game. The same. This obviously doesn't make it a great game by itself, but I thought it was neato.
#41
zombiegleemax
Oct 22, 2003 19:24:59 No GH is worse than crappy GH
#42
zombiegleemax
Oct 23, 2003 0:05:44 And ToEE is not crappy at all. It might not be too story heavy (hey, it's an adaptation of Gygax's module, what did you expect?). but on the other hand, there's much more use for dialogue skills (diplomacy, bluff, intimidate, sense motive, gather information), than in any of BioWare's or Black Isle's D&D cRPGs.
And the combat system is just great!
There are many bugs, yes, but many of them can be fixed with the unofficial Circle of Eight patch, and the official patch is now being tested by Atari QA.
It's not like there are many games these days that don't require a patch...
#43
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 1:33:41 Yea, I actually like the way they incorporated the usefulness of skills in the game. Makes me want to pump my skill bonuses up and take Skill Focus even. BTW, Skill Focus "Appraise" is a great way to make extra cash with your main appraising character.
#44
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 10:01:28 The game is definitely a faithful adaptation of Gygax's module (which was not very story heavy), and a faithful adaptation of the 3.5 rules.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 0:59:31	i know you guys dont like FR as i do(as in my sig)........but i dont see people in the FR forums dissing anyother rp minorities.. I saw in ads and stuff a new greyhawk game is coming out? anyone know about it? it said it offered a demo.:D
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 3:38:45	Sounds like the new Temple of Elemental Evil CRPG, there should be a thread about it here somewhere.
#3 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 9:52:23	Well, I tell you what I wish that were true, but these very boards contain slander pointed in Greyhawks direction. Follow this link. Now I have found that many of the GH fans that post here have made wonderfull rebuttles to the obviously mistaken poster and realms fans. Though the debate was a little one sided, even FR gamers making some concessions to GH, the threads existance shows that there is animosity on both sides.
#4 Elendur Sep 25, 2003 10:04:40	The new Greyhawk game, the Temple of Elemental Evil, is great. I've played it two days and am loving it. It has the best turn based D&D combat I've seen in a game. It does have a lot of annoying interface issues, but nothing show stopping. I'm sure this game is being discussed in the software section of the boards.
#5 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 10:14:40	I'm sure this game is being discussed in the software section of the boards. Only mildly... The boards over at Atari have started to calm down. The Whiners have start to play the game instead of pick it apart, they even started saying "Hey, this is a fun game"!
#6 Halberkill Sep 25, 2003 11:14:32	Well, people on the Greyhawk boards seem to be able to spell words correctly and form coherent sentences. That and they rarely, if ever, type in "bwahaahaahaa" as part of their post. Just my observation. Halber
#7 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 11:27:19	Ehhh....yeah I noticed that too. However, there are online gaming communities of which I am a member that look down on the WoTC boards aswell.....I think the term was ill-mannered, or childish... Something like that. Oh well, you can't expect super intelligent, precise, on- topic conversation from every community....can you?
#8 Argon Sep 25, 2003 12:10:06	Oh well, you can't expect super intelligent, precise, on- topic conversation from every community....can you? Why can't we? Anyhow it's nice to see a FR fan step up and protect his setting. But I on the other hand still don't like FR. Yes, there was some well written books on the setting. Overall though they are few and far between. So if you like FR than there's really nothing I can do about it. Except feel sorry for you, NOT! Just kidding if that's the type of setting you enjoy, best of luck to you. I for one will preach GH and love ever minute of it. As far as the game goes it can't be much different from any other RPG type out their. When it comes to rpg video games, they all follow a similar formula. Fight a bunch of baddies level up, fight big baddie at the end and never really accomplish anything. But it might accomplish what many GH fans want and that is a revival of the GH setting.
#9 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 12:24:01	But it might accomplish what many GH fans want and that is a revival of the GH setting. Exactly!!!
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 12:42:06	Bwahahahahaha!!!! Err . . sorry, just couldn't help myself. If nothing else, hopefully the game will give your GH campaign a few more adventure seeds.
#11 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 12:46:38	Certainly, if you have any plans for using The Temple of Elemental evil or RtTOEE. It has given new life to Hommlet for me.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 13:35:35	So, the general feeling is that it's worth the price?
#13 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 13:39:29	In my opinion yes. You get not one game, but several. It's different for each group alignment you may choose. Be evil and start off burning a Church of St. Cuthbert!!! Be good and return a broach from the fallen Canoness to Hommlett.. Realy cool that they took the time to vary the quests and tailor them to your alighnment!
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 13:44:18	Ah, that sounds cool. I guess I'll have to spend the $50.
#15 Elendur Sep 25, 2003 14:20:39	Yes it's worth it. If your computer can run it and you are a D&D/Greyhawk fan, you must get this game, for the turn based combat if nothing else.
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 19:50:35	Originally posted by Jagermeister So, the general feeling is that it's worth the price? I wouldn't fork out any money for an unfinished piece of work. Regardless of what the fanboys say, they cannot deny that the game was published unfinished. By Troika's own admission, they were forced to publish the game even though they needed at least another month to work on it. In fact, there may not even be a patch coming out because the publisher (Atari) may not finance it. Due to it being unfinished, there are MAJOR bugs in it and not just major ones, but NUMEROUS bugs. Some people haven't even been able to install it due to one particular bug and others have had it crash so often that it is virtually unplayable, then there are the lack of features like quests which simply can't be finished, the inability to lose dead characters from your party and a host of other things which make the game less of a game and more of a hassle. Caveat emptor.
#17 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 21:14:53	bwahahha, ok i said it. I saw the game in an issue of Computer Gaming World(or was it Monthly instead of World?) the interface looks like the famed FR Baldur's Gate, with the skills setting and the profile pics. its a pretty new game. maybe newer ones will be 3d (ever tried NWN? i know its FR... but not as many GH d&d games out there.):D
#18 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 21:16:34	I forgot to write down the link (saw it in a doctors office reception room) it offered for the demo and more info(oops) but i bet if youll search it on a game database or on a search engine youll find it.
#19 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 25, 2003 21:19:41	I modded the HELL outta NWN. All my modules are Greyhawk specific. I have GH: Temple of Elemental Evil. Its buggy as Delglath mentions, but nothing show stopping. Mostly under the hood if you will. If you just play the game you'll probably enjoy it.
#20 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 13:39:06	Troika originally designed it for a Mature rating but at the last minute it was gutted. Its basically half a CRPG. Till the mature content is put back in and the bugs fixed save your money.
#21 Elendur Sep 26, 2003 17:39:11	Everyone who has actually played the game is saying its fun, so yes, go out and buy it. Am I mad that Atari aparrently doesn't have a QA department? Yes. I'm I still having a load of fun playing it? Yes indeed. I got into a fight with my girlfriend over who got to play it last night. I need to get that girl a new computer...
#22 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 19:16:35	Originally posted by Elendur Everyone who has actually played the game is saying its fun, so yes, go out and buy it. Err... wrong. The split is about 70/30 in regards to the people who have played it and think it's a buggy piece of crud to those who have played it and like being ripped off so they put up with all the bugs and think it's a great game.
#23 Argon Sep 26, 2003 21:59:57	Err... wrong. The split is about 70/30 in regards to the people who have played it and think it's a buggy piece of crud to those who have played it and like being ripped off so they put up with all the bugs and think it's a great game. Yeah, kind of like the star wars fans and the putrid new movies in that series. It's even like the tomb raider series in it's playability. Most of the fans are either disturbed pubescent teenage males, or those members of society who refuse to come to grips with being ripped off.
#24 zombiegleemax Sep 27, 2003 0:38:35	With the numerous bugs and the castrated game play, ToEE is not worth the money. All it is now is a tactical DnD game when before it actually had worthwhile role play elements with actual choices that effects the game along the good and evil axis with quests and such. That is no more thanks to Atari's snipping. As I said save your money for something that is worthwhile. Get a game that makes some sort of sense. Common, how stupid can Atari and Troika be to put in a conversations about children in the game when there is no freaking children to be seen.
#25 Elendur Sep 27, 2003 20:32:55	Sorry let me clarify. I was referring the posters on this thread. Of those, only two posters have said they'd played the game, myself and gnarly woodsman. Both of us have said its worth it. If any other poster has played the game and doesn't think its worth it, speak up and I'll revise my statement.
#26 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 1:25:57	The game is hella fun... ...once you get past first level. :D
#27 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 11:28:06	I have played the game and think that having 1/3 of the game gutted out just to get a "Teen" rating sucks. The technical aspects of the game, when it is working right, is good but the story aspects of the game is worse than an old ASCii hack and slasher. Overall a major step backwards from Arcanum.
#28 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 12:46:13	I bought TOEE about two days after it came out, and have enjoyed every minute of play. The bugs can be a bit annoying, but nothing has made it unplayable. The game has a great amount of replay value, with the different alignments and different characters you can make making it fun just to make parties. Like all games of this type it falls greatly short of the real DnD roleplaying experience, but it is the best roleplaying game of its type, especially as far as the combat is concerned. It is more than worth the $50 to get it.
#29 Elendur Sep 28, 2003 21:20:28	Ok, I will now revise my statement and say that 4 out of 5 people who have played the game and posted here like it. I'd get my girlfriend to come and post but I can't get her away from the game. So go buy it! Its worth it.
#30 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 23:20:02	I say buy it when it is on sale and after the patch, if there is one.
#31 zombiegleemax Sep 29, 2003 2:15:58	Originally posted by Elendur I got into a fight with my girlfriend over who got to play it last night. I need to get that girl a new computer... On a side note, I'm glad I don't have this problem. My gf would rather watch Sponge Bob Squarepants than have anything to do with gaming. In a way, it's nice to have separate hobbies. :D
#32 zombiegleemax Sep 29, 2003 18:06:22	The ToEE PC game is very good. I have enjoyed playing it and am "reliving" the original that I ran my brother through quite a few years ago. They have fairly reproduced the original PnP module, with the aforementioned exceptions. Being the first Greyhawk PC game setting, you can't lose with setting it in Hommlet! Many of my campaigns have begun here, as Hommlet has the small town appeal and has quite a few services available for the adventurer. I would like to see Troika do the next game set in the Free City of Greyhawk! (FAITHFULLY reproduced of course!) Maybe gasp set the next dungeon as Ruins of Castle Greyhawk? What do you all think?
#33 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 1:56:49	I think the next game should be Vecna Lives! I always loved that module. Imagine the look on the player's faces when the intro part is played...
#34 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 3:52:28	I've tried hard to play this game, but there are just too many bugs and the combat interface is terrible. I had been waiting so long for a faithful, turn based 3rd edition rule implementation, too. I could never stand playing NWN with its attempt to focus on action instead of strategy, and the pause system just doesn't cut it. Maybe after a patch I'll pick it up again, but from the rumors it looks like that may be "never".
#35 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 8:13:09	Dunno if I'd buy it on looking at the screenies alone, dosnt seem to break any new ground as far as an interface goes and, hmmm no multiplayer. I like multiplayer games.
#36 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2003 7:13:09	Game is so addictive I just finished a nine-hour stretch on Ironman. Unfortunately, I got a little too cocky and decided I was ready to take on the Hill Giant at level 4. Not a good idea... RIP my characters. Back to the old drawing board.
#37 zombiegleemax Oct 21, 2003 19:44:17	The next game (if there is going to be one), will most likely (according to Tim Cain, the lead designer) be the GDQ supermodule - Against the Giants, Vault of the Drow, Queen of the Demonweb Pits. As for the bugs, the official patch is now being tested by Atari, and an unofficial, fan-made one can be found at our site - Circle of Eight: http://www.co8.org Don't forget to check out our modding forum! Also, fell free to use our forums for general Greyhawk discussion .
#38 zombiegleemax Oct 22, 2003 10:50:25	I say, go out and buy it now. It's well worth the $50 and also sends a signal to Troika and Atari that there is a LARGE GH Fanbase. Consider that, otherwise if it sits on the shelves....end of GH for CRPG! Do not let that happen! Go buy it today and deal with the bugs. There is a patch coming out and Troika / Atari have finally committed to customer support. (Excuse me!?) That should have been a given, but it wasn't at first. I thoroughly enjoy / enjoyed the game despite the bugs! Well done Troika and Atari!
#39 zombiegleemax Oct 22, 2003 10:53:49	Crappy GH is worse than no GH...
#40 Elendur Oct 22, 2003 11:34:42	An update: 6 out of 8 people who have played it and posted on this board like it. Delgath still doesn't like it. I haven't included him in the statistic because he hasn't said that he's played it. I pulled out my old T1 - village of homlett module and looked at the map on the inside of the cover. Then I looked at my automap of the village in the game. The same. This obviously doesn't make it a great game by itself, but I thought it was neato.
#41 zombiegleemax Oct 22, 2003 19:24:59	No GH is worse than crappy GH
#42 zombiegleemax Oct 23, 2003 0:05:44	And ToEE is not crappy at all. It might not be too story heavy (hey, it's an adaptation of Gygax's module, what did you expect?). but on the other hand, there's much more use for dialogue skills (diplomacy, bluff, intimidate, sense motive, gather information), than in any of BioWare's or Black Isle's D&D cRPGs. And the combat system is just great! There are many bugs, yes, but many of them can be fixed with the unofficial Circle of Eight patch, and the official patch is now being tested by Atari QA. It's not like there are many games these days that don't require a patch...
#43 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 1:33:41	Yea, I actually like the way they incorporated the usefulness of skills in the game. Makes me want to pump my skill bonuses up and take Skill Focus even. BTW, Skill Focus "Appraise" is a great way to make extra cash with your main appraising character.
#44 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 10:01:28	The game is definitely a faithful adaptation of Gygax's module (which was not very story heavy), and a faithful adaptation of the 3.5 rules.