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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 25, 2003 22:29:11 COuld somebody give me a little rundown on the new PrCs and classes from the DLCS and AoM? I don't mean like, post them, I just mean to sorta tell what abilities they get, maybe their BAB(just say like a FIghter, Cleric, or Wizard), that kinda thing. THis doesn't count as reprinting orinted materials, does it? I don't wanna brweak any rules, It's mainly because I want to stat out a few of the iconic DL characters, and I want to have an idea if they should have elvels in any of the new classes or PrCs.
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 8:55:47 well.... for the noble, you've looked at the Star Wars d20 game? or the Wheel of Time? Essentially the same. In fact, the noble is EXACTLY the same as the Revised Star Wars d20 noble. Exactly the same. The others'll have to be done by others. it's too complicated for my poor pitiful mind to try and do Cliff Notes on PrC's....
#3
The_White_Sorcerer
Sep 26, 2003 10:03:17
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
It's mainly because I want to stat out a few of the iconic DL characters, and I want to have an idea if they should have elvels in any of the new classes or PrCs.

Well, Laurana definately starts as a Noble, and gains some Fighter levels later. Goldmoon bedomes a Mystic in the fifth age.
As for PrCs, Raistlin is a Wizard of High Sorcery, while Sturm might take some levels of Knight of the Crown after he officially becomes a knight. Steel is a Knight of the Lily.
The only Mariners I can think of are Rig Mer-Krel, from Fifth Age, and Maquesta Kar-thon, captain of the Perechon, but they aren't really "iconic".

Can't really give you an overview of the classes, since I lack the books myself.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 14:56:38 Statwise from AoM we got Palin as..... I don't know the levels, but he's a Sorcerer/Academy Sorcerer/Master Negotiator (i think that's the PrC. Actually, i don't think it is. anyone wanna correct me on this?). As for the only other one I remember is Dalamar, a level 10 wizard, level 7 WoHS.
#5
The_White_Sorcerer
Sep 26, 2003 15:34:52
Originally posted by Magus_Extreme
Sorcerer/Academy Sorcerer/Master Negotiator (i think that's the PrC. Actually, i don't think it is. anyone wanna correct me on this?)

Master Ambassador.
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 29, 2003 22:51:33 Well, thanks, but most of that stuff I already knew.

Mostly, it's just the Companions and their children I'm talking about. FOr instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this? That kinda thing. Alhtough, Laurana's actual class levels are helpful.

Hey...do you guys think that Gilthanas might have levels in Noble? Or just Fighter?

And no, I don't have Star Wars or Call of Cthulu...I have Soveriegn Stone available to me, though. Is the Noble the same as that? All I know about the DL Noble is that they get an extra class skill, and I know nothing about the Sov. Stone Noble.
#7
Dragonhelm
Sep 29, 2003 23:04:47
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
FOr instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this?

It's possible, although I tend to think that he had obtained the Eschew Materials prerequisite feat, ending this path of study prior to becoming a full-fledged war mage, and taking on the PrC.

I don't know for certain how Raistlin's stats will turn out, to be honest.
#8
The_White_Sorcerer
Sep 30, 2003 7:20:05
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
For instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this? That kinda thing. Alhtough, Laurana's actual class levels are helpful.

Hey...do you guys think that Gilthanas might have levels in Noble? Or just Fighter?

1. I'd say he has some of the requirements, such as Eschew Materials, but no levels in the class. I can't really see Raistlin as having Weapon Focus (quarterstaff or dagger).

2. I'd say fighter/wizard only, since he was trained to be a warrior. Not all who are of the noble caste have the noble class, you know.
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 8:34:50
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
[b]1. I'd say he has some of the requirements, such as Eschew Materials, but no levels in the class. I can't really see Raistlin as having Weapon Focus (quarterstaff or dagger).

Actually, the book says that Raistlin trained to be a war mage along side Caramon in some war. So the book flat-out says he has at least one or two levels in War Mage. As for him not having weapon focus in quarterstaves? he's wicked with that staff of magius, in truth. goes kung-fo on some draconians, then needs some tea.
#10
cam_banks
Oct 01, 2003 9:07:36
Originally posted by Magus_Extreme
Actually, the book says that Raistlin trained to be a war mage along side Caramon in some war. So the book flat-out says he has at least one or two levels in War Mage. As for him not having weapon focus in quarterstaves? he's wicked with that staff of magius, in truth. goes kung-fo on some draconians, then needs some tea.

It doesn't flat out say that, it says he trained to be one. Believe it or not, you can train to be a war mage and never take a single level in your whole career. I'm not saying Raistlin wouldn't end up with a level or two in it, but he didn't have any PrC levels prior to the War of the Lance. Otherwise he'd be a better spellcaster than he was (we know he said spells like fireball were "beyond him", and he clearly hadn't been exposed to spellbooks like Fistandantilus' before).

Cheers,
Cam
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 04, 2003 23:52:01 Well, still going on the Raistlin example, I'm going to try and make all the Companions start out as Level 5 characters (I think I ripped this from somebody on these boards, can't remember who, so if you care, sorry). So, I'm thinking Raistlin's going to be Wizard 3/WoHS 1, and then either another level of WoHS, or a level of War Mage. Could this be done? Does he meet the prerequisites? Etc.

Are there any PrCs that would go well with the rest of the Companions?
#12
vethos
Oct 05, 2003 6:18:55 Can anyone point me to the mariner class? I cant find it anywhere.
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 05, 2003 8:45:08 The Mariner class is in the Age of Mortals book.
#14
shugi
Oct 06, 2003 10:42:59 Jacen, the War Mage requirements don't synergize well with the WoHS right away. It's possible to become both, but not until 7th level at a minimum (IIRC).

Also, don't the WoHS requirements include a Base Will Save of +4? If so, Raist would have to be a 4th-level wizard before joining the WoHS.
#15
kalanth
Oct 06, 2003 11:03:11 Yes, the WoHS requires the base save of +4, I just had a guy achieve the requirements last night (so we also played out his test before the session ended). I think it would have been better off if they had kept it somewhat like the 2nd ed version, where the character was expected to take his test sometime between 3rd and fourth level. In esscene that would mean that the Wizards would qualify for the WoHS at 4th. But, alas, that is not the way it is.
#16
The_White_Sorcerer
Oct 06, 2003 14:06:29 I'm going to make Raistlin as follows:
Wiz2*/Wizard of High Sorcery1
They made exceptions with Raist and made him do the test when he was "too young".
I'll have him take levels in wizard until he meets all the requirements for WoHS. Then he'll advance as a WoHS, and eventually as an archmage, and maybe even as a war mage.

*Haven't decided on specialization yet. Will most likely choose Illusion.
#17
cam_banks
Oct 07, 2003 8:54:13
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
I'm going to make Raistlin as follows:
Wiz2*/Wizard of High Sorcery1
They made exceptions with Raist and made him do the test when he was "too young".

Are you having the other characters start out as 3rd level?

If Raistlin's a 3rd level character and the others are 4th, 5th and 6th, he's going to get his clock cleaned in 3rd edition. It'd be much fairer to all players to have them start out at the same level - which is why I always advocate 5th level, as does Brimstone (who was the first to make all the characters the same level on his conversions, if I recall correctly.)

Cheers,
Cam
#18
The_White_Sorcerer
Oct 07, 2003 9:00:43 I'm using their original levels. The guy playing Raist just has to be really, REALLY, careful.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Sep 25, 2003 22:29:11	COuld somebody give me a little rundown on the new PrCs and classes from the DLCS and AoM? I don't mean like, post them, I just mean to sorta tell what abilities they get, maybe their BAB(just say like a FIghter, Cleric, or Wizard), that kinda thing. THis doesn't count as reprinting orinted materials, does it? I don't wanna brweak any rules, It's mainly because I want to stat out a few of the iconic DL characters, and I want to have an idea if they should have elvels in any of the new classes or PrCs.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 8:55:47	well.... for the noble, you've looked at the Star Wars d20 game? or the Wheel of Time? Essentially the same. In fact, the noble is EXACTLY the same as the Revised Star Wars d20 noble. Exactly the same. The others'll have to be done by others. it's too complicated for my poor pitiful mind to try and do Cliff Notes on PrC's....
#3 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 26, 2003 10:03:17	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 It's mainly because I want to stat out a few of the iconic DL characters, and I want to have an idea if they should have elvels in any of the new classes or PrCs. Well, Laurana definately starts as a Noble, and gains some Fighter levels later. Goldmoon bedomes a Mystic in the fifth age. As for PrCs, Raistlin is a Wizard of High Sorcery, while Sturm might take some levels of Knight of the Crown after he officially becomes a knight. Steel is a Knight of the Lily. The only Mariners I can think of are Rig Mer-Krel, from Fifth Age, and Maquesta Kar-thon, captain of the Perechon, but they aren't really "iconic". Can't really give you an overview of the classes, since I lack the books myself.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 14:56:38	Statwise from AoM we got Palin as..... I don't know the levels, but he's a Sorcerer/Academy Sorcerer/Master Negotiator (i think that's the PrC. Actually, i don't think it is. anyone wanna correct me on this?). As for the only other one I remember is Dalamar, a level 10 wizard, level 7 WoHS.
#5 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 26, 2003 15:34:52	Originally posted by Magus_Extreme Sorcerer/Academy Sorcerer/Master Negotiator (i think that's the PrC. Actually, i don't think it is. anyone wanna correct me on this?) Master Ambassador.
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 29, 2003 22:51:33	Well, thanks, but most of that stuff I already knew. Mostly, it's just the Companions and their children I'm talking about. FOr instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this? That kinda thing. Alhtough, Laurana's actual class levels are helpful. Hey...do you guys think that Gilthanas might have levels in Noble? Or just Fighter? And no, I don't have Star Wars or Call of Cthulu...I have Soveriegn Stone available to me, though. Is the Noble the same as that? All I know about the DL Noble is that they get an extra class skill, and I know nothing about the Sov. Stone Noble.
#7 Dragonhelm Sep 29, 2003 23:04:47	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 FOr instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this? It's possible, although I tend to think that he had obtained the Eschew Materials prerequisite feat, ending this path of study prior to becoming a full-fledged war mage, and taking on the PrC. I don't know for certain how Raistlin's stats will turn out, to be honest.
#8 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 30, 2003 7:20:05	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 For instance, I've heard of the War Mage. Would Raistlin have any levels in this? That kinda thing. Alhtough, Laurana's actual class levels are helpful. Hey...do you guys think that Gilthanas might have levels in Noble? Or just Fighter? 1. I'd say he has some of the requirements, such as Eschew Materials, but no levels in the class. I can't really see Raistlin as having Weapon Focus (quarterstaff or dagger). 2. I'd say fighter/wizard only, since he was trained to be a warrior. Not all who are of the noble caste have the noble class, you know.
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 8:34:50	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer [b]1. I'd say he has some of the requirements, such as Eschew Materials, but no levels in the class. I can't really see Raistlin as having Weapon Focus (quarterstaff or dagger). Actually, the book says that Raistlin trained to be a war mage along side Caramon in some war. So the book flat-out says he has at least one or two levels in War Mage. As for him not having weapon focus in quarterstaves? he's wicked with that staff of magius, in truth. goes kung-fo on some draconians, then needs some tea.
#10 cam_banks Oct 01, 2003 9:07:36	Originally posted by Magus_Extreme Actually, the book says that Raistlin trained to be a war mage along side Caramon in some war. So the book flat-out says he has at least one or two levels in War Mage. As for him not having weapon focus in quarterstaves? he's wicked with that staff of magius, in truth. goes kung-fo on some draconians, then needs some tea. It doesn't flat out say that, it says he trained to be one. Believe it or not, you can train to be a war mage and never take a single level in your whole career. I'm not saying Raistlin wouldn't end up with a level or two in it, but he didn't have any PrC levels prior to the War of the Lance. Otherwise he'd be a better spellcaster than he was (we know he said spells like fireball were "beyond him", and he clearly hadn't been exposed to spellbooks like Fistandantilus' before). Cheers, Cam
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 04, 2003 23:52:01	Well, still going on the Raistlin example, I'm going to try and make all the Companions start out as Level 5 characters (I think I ripped this from somebody on these boards, can't remember who, so if you care, sorry). So, I'm thinking Raistlin's going to be Wizard 3/WoHS 1, and then either another level of WoHS, or a level of War Mage. Could this be done? Does he meet the prerequisites? Etc. Are there any PrCs that would go well with the rest of the Companions?
#12 vethos Oct 05, 2003 6:18:55	Can anyone point me to the mariner class? I cant find it anywhere.
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 05, 2003 8:45:08	The Mariner class is in the Age of Mortals book.
#14 shugi Oct 06, 2003 10:42:59	Jacen, the War Mage requirements don't synergize well with the WoHS right away. It's possible to become both, but not until 7th level at a minimum (IIRC). Also, don't the WoHS requirements include a Base Will Save of +4? If so, Raist would have to be a 4th-level wizard before joining the WoHS.
#15 kalanth Oct 06, 2003 11:03:11	Yes, the WoHS requires the base save of +4, I just had a guy achieve the requirements last night (so we also played out his test before the session ended). I think it would have been better off if they had kept it somewhat like the 2nd ed version, where the character was expected to take his test sometime between 3rd and fourth level. In esscene that would mean that the Wizards would qualify for the WoHS at 4th. But, alas, that is not the way it is.
#16 The_White_Sorcerer Oct 06, 2003 14:06:29	I'm going to make Raistlin as follows: Wiz2/Wizard of High Sorcery1 They made exceptions with Raist and made him do the test when he was "too young". I'll have him take levels in wizard until he meets all the requirements for WoHS. Then he'll advance as a WoHS, and eventually as an archmage, and maybe even as a war mage. Haven't decided on specialization yet. Will most likely choose Illusion.
#17 cam_banks Oct 07, 2003 8:54:13	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer I'm going to make Raistlin as follows: Wiz2*/Wizard of High Sorcery1 They made exceptions with Raist and made him do the test when he was "too young". Are you having the other characters start out as 3rd level? If Raistlin's a 3rd level character and the others are 4th, 5th and 6th, he's going to get his clock cleaned in 3rd edition. It'd be much fairer to all players to have them start out at the same level - which is why I always advocate 5th level, as does Brimstone (who was the first to make all the characters the same level on his conversions, if I recall correctly.) Cheers, Cam
#18 The_White_Sorcerer Oct 07, 2003 9:00:43	I'm using their original levels. The guy playing Raist just has to be really, REALLY, careful.