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What the hell is wrong with you, WotC?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 11:16:06 I just wanted to ask you guys, what is wrong with you people? I am refering to the new Dungeons and Dragons computer game developed by Troika and published by Atari. Troika designed ToEE to be a Mature rated game, but at the last second all that content was ripped out of the game, leaving big holes in dialog and basically made the game unenjoyable.

Many people are blaming Atari for this while there are others setting the blame on WotC. If you guys are to blame I just have to ask you is what the hell is wrong with you? There are a lot of adult gamers out in the computer gaming world and you are alienating them by doing this.

Its no wonder that I no longer bother buying WotC products. I guess it doesn't matter any more since because of this ToEE will be my last DnD based computer game I will be buying. Its no wonder that I no longer buy WotC published materials.
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 19:30:53 The problems with the game run deeper than just the rating of the game. Aside from having it gutted for a younger audience, the evil options were also stripped, but again, the problems are deeper still than that. At the end of the day, the game simply wasn't finished. It's a beta at best.

This was admitted by Troika. Atari forced them to publish it on the deadline they had agreed to by contract, regardless of the fact that it wasn't finished. In fact, Troika are desperately trying to get funding from Atari to get a patch built but even this is looking doubtful.

Not that it's all Atari's fault. Troika should've either finished the game on time or not quoted such an unrealistic deadline. Either way, buy this game and you're buying something that isn't finished. It'd be like buying a Buick with only three wheels and no seats; sure, it runs, but...
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 26, 2003 20:29:10 Well, I don't give a crap who is to blame any more. It wuill be my last DnD computer game.

Congrats WotC, you lost another customer.
#4
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 26, 2003 21:21:38 Bleh, another worthless post. Nothing to be gained here but the ramblings of another spammer who is trying to troll up a response.

I'm no fanboy, but the game plays well. TOEE never had a strong story content to begin with. All the stuff your complaining aout was added by Troika, considered/and removed by Atari, and had nothing to do with WoTC except that it has several licences involved.
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 27, 2003 0:33:46 Listen, I want my evil quests. The game is a half finished POS and I like to know who is to blame for it so I can get my money back. Gamestop doesn't allow returns or exchanges where I live any more.

The game has been basically castrated and I want to know who is to blame.
#6
gadodel
Sep 27, 2003 0:44:38
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 27, 2003 3:34:53 If you actually want something to be done in regards to your complaints, this is not only the wrong company's message board but the wrong medium to complain in.

Disappointed with the game? Write a letter. Posting gripes on a message board won't get you anywhere.

Obvious evidence of this is the amount of posts that gripe in regards to the lack of new published Greyhawk materials. Despite this, nothing seems forthcoming.

There was a letter writing thread somewhere back there...who knows if it's creating any waves. We can only hope.
#8
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 27, 2003 6:19:12
I like to know who is to blame for it so I can get my money back.

If that is all you seek then refer to your documentation. ATARI has a 30 day money back Garauntee. Contact THEM as per those instructions, and they will advise you on how to return the game and get your money back..

There was a letter writing thread somewhere back there...who knows if it's creating any waves. We can only hope.

I still haven't received a return letter from WoTC/Hasbro. But I'm willing to reprint mine and send it again!!
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 27, 2003 17:07:07 Hey Visceris! I remember you from the Bioware boards. Glad to see you're still your old evil self ;)
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 1:28:10
Originally posted by Delglath
It'd be like buying a Buick with only three wheels and no seats; sure, it runs, but...

Bad analogy. Have you actually played the game for more than 10 hours?

I'd say it's more like buying a Buick without AC and radio. It's got everything you need, just kind of lacking on the frills.
#11
zombiegleemax
Sep 28, 2003 11:25:31 I don't count ripping 1/3 of the game out just the frills.
#12
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2003 1:46:39 What options exactly did they "rip out?" Dialogue options? That's the only thing I've heard mentioned before. If such is the case, then I'd just as soon people get over it and realize that computer games are usually meant for hack-n-slash.

Now if they cut out actual evil quests like "Sell your Soul to Beelzebub" and "The Sacrifice of Hommlet's Virgins" then you have a point. A sick point, but a point nonetheless. :D
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2003 0:39:07 Lets see they cut out a whole section of Nulb out of the game, namely the Brothel. Huge sections of conversations and quests were also taken out of the Temple portion of the game.
#14
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2003 7:11:18 Oh no! No brothel??? What will I ever do?
#15
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2003 13:00:34
Originally posted by airwalkrr
Oh no! No brothel??? What will I ever do?

Make suggestive comments to NPCs in the hope of 'getting lucky'? :D
#16
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 14:38:02 Dungeons and Dragons as a whole has been slaughtered up ever since the 2nd large wave of 2nd edition products. WotC and now Hasbro will continue this trend no doubt.
I haven' been buying any new content for years. Much better and enlightening to buy the old out of prints and base your life (game) around solid, playable, enjoyable, logical, and easily comprehended content.

Abysslin
#17
ranger_reg
Oct 04, 2003 20:36:22
Originally posted by Visceris

Well, I don't give a crap who is to blame any more. It wuill be my last DnD computer game.

Congrats WotC, you lost another customer.

First off, you must give a specific yet valid reason (in your opinion) as to why you're leaving Wizards as a customer. That way I can agree with you ... or ridicule you.

AFAIC, Wizards have NOTHING to do with the development of the game other than their trademarks, most especially since their parent company, Hasbro, have sold their electronic rights to Infogrames/Atari TWO YEARS AGO.
#18
zombiegleemax
Oct 09, 2003 2:13:53
Originally posted by Ranger REG
First off, you must give a specific yet valid reason (in your opinion) as to why you're leaving Wizards as a customer. That way I can agree with you ... or ridicule you.

AFAIC, Wizards have NOTHING to do with the development of the game other than their trademarks, most especially since their parent company, Hasbro, have sold their electronic rights to Infogrames/Atari TWO YEARS AGO.

WotC still has the right to say yay or nay on computer gaming material. The same with Hasbro, then it has to pass Atari's gates. They all have a say in the matter. They just want family oriented DnD bull. WotC/Hasbro had Atari force Troika to remove 33% of the dialog and have them close sections of the game.
#19
zombiegleemax
Oct 15, 2003 20:02:19
Originally posted by Visceris
WotC/Hasbro had Atari force Troika to remove 33% of the dialog and have them close sections of the game.

No they didn't. What are you smoking?
#20
ranger_reg
Oct 16, 2003 22:22:17
Originally posted by Visceris

They just want family oriented DnD bull.

Old news.

We already know that Wizards want to sell D&D in Walmart, so they can expose their products to new customers outside of the game stores, which will hope will buy their products, and add more $$$ to their revenue to keep Hasbro "suits" satisfied.

If you want NC-17, go buy the Book of Erotic Fantasy (same ruleset but without the d20 endorsement).

BTW, if you don't care about who is at fault, then what intelligently logical reason for the boycott?

#21
zombiegleemax
Oct 17, 2003 21:13:35
BTW, if you don't care about who is at fault, then what intelligently logical reason for the boycott

Quite true. Boycotting all involved: WOTC (and all its products), Hasbro (and everything it has its hands in which is quite alot), Atari/Infogames (which means missing out on some other great titles). Unfortunately, the stance seems to be that the game had quirks but was worth while rather than a flawed waste. I have yet to play it. I never buy a game at release since almost any title can be flawed and $50 is a bit too much for me to spend on a game at all; I wait till there's some decent patches out and the price drops by half. In this way, I get to play a more perfected version of the same game for half the cost. If it still bites after that though, you can bet your arse I'll be sending in a complaint or two about it through far more appropriate channels than simple trolling flames on an unrelated message board.
#22
zombiegleemax
Oct 17, 2003 21:23:37 Meanwhile, the game has been selling like hotcakes with thousands, nay, tens of thousands of fans clamoring for a sequel and another installment in the series.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 11:16:06	I just wanted to ask you guys, what is wrong with you people? I am refering to the new Dungeons and Dragons computer game developed by Troika and published by Atari. Troika designed ToEE to be a Mature rated game, but at the last second all that content was ripped out of the game, leaving big holes in dialog and basically made the game unenjoyable. Many people are blaming Atari for this while there are others setting the blame on WotC. If you guys are to blame I just have to ask you is what the hell is wrong with you? There are a lot of adult gamers out in the computer gaming world and you are alienating them by doing this. Its no wonder that I no longer bother buying WotC products. I guess it doesn't matter any more since because of this ToEE will be my last DnD based computer game I will be buying. Its no wonder that I no longer buy WotC published materials.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 19:30:53	The problems with the game run deeper than just the rating of the game. Aside from having it gutted for a younger audience, the evil options were also stripped, but again, the problems are deeper still than that. At the end of the day, the game simply wasn't finished. It's a beta at best. This was admitted by Troika. Atari forced them to publish it on the deadline they had agreed to by contract, regardless of the fact that it wasn't finished. In fact, Troika are desperately trying to get funding from Atari to get a patch built but even this is looking doubtful. Not that it's all Atari's fault. Troika should've either finished the game on time or not quoted such an unrealistic deadline. Either way, buy this game and you're buying something that isn't finished. It'd be like buying a Buick with only three wheels and no seats; sure, it runs, but...
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 26, 2003 20:29:10	Well, I don't give a crap who is to blame any more. It wuill be my last DnD computer game. Congrats WotC, you lost another customer.
#4 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 26, 2003 21:21:38	Bleh, another worthless post. Nothing to be gained here but the ramblings of another spammer who is trying to troll up a response. I'm no fanboy, but the game plays well. TOEE never had a strong story content to begin with. All the stuff your complaining aout was added by Troika, considered/and removed by Atari, and had nothing to do with WoTC except that it has several licences involved.
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 27, 2003 0:33:46	Listen, I want my evil quests. The game is a half finished POS and I like to know who is to blame for it so I can get my money back. Gamestop doesn't allow returns or exchanges where I live any more. The game has been basically castrated and I want to know who is to blame.
#6 gadodel Sep 27, 2003 0:44:38
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 27, 2003 3:34:53	If you actually want something to be done in regards to your complaints, this is not only the wrong company's message board but the wrong medium to complain in. Disappointed with the game? Write a letter. Posting gripes on a message board won't get you anywhere. Obvious evidence of this is the amount of posts that gripe in regards to the lack of new published Greyhawk materials. Despite this, nothing seems forthcoming. There was a letter writing thread somewhere back there...who knows if it's creating any waves. We can only hope.
#8 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 27, 2003 6:19:12	I like to know who is to blame for it so I can get my money back. If that is all you seek then refer to your documentation. ATARI has a 30 day money back Garauntee. Contact THEM as per those instructions, and they will advise you on how to return the game and get your money back.. There was a letter writing thread somewhere back there...who knows if it's creating any waves. We can only hope. I still haven't received a return letter from WoTC/Hasbro. But I'm willing to reprint mine and send it again!!
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 27, 2003 17:07:07	Hey Visceris! I remember you from the Bioware boards. Glad to see you're still your old evil self ;)
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 1:28:10	Originally posted by Delglath It'd be like buying a Buick with only three wheels and no seats; sure, it runs, but... Bad analogy. Have you actually played the game for more than 10 hours? I'd say it's more like buying a Buick without AC and radio. It's got everything you need, just kind of lacking on the frills.
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 28, 2003 11:25:31	I don't count ripping 1/3 of the game out just the frills.
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2003 1:46:39	What options exactly did they "rip out?" Dialogue options? That's the only thing I've heard mentioned before. If such is the case, then I'd just as soon people get over it and realize that computer games are usually meant for hack-n-slash. Now if they cut out actual evil quests like "Sell your Soul to Beelzebub" and "The Sacrifice of Hommlet's Virgins" then you have a point. A sick point, but a point nonetheless. :D
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2003 0:39:07	Lets see they cut out a whole section of Nulb out of the game, namely the Brothel. Huge sections of conversations and quests were also taken out of the Temple portion of the game.
#14 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2003 7:11:18	Oh no! No brothel??? What will I ever do?
#15 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2003 13:00:34	Originally posted by airwalkrr Oh no! No brothel??? What will I ever do? Make suggestive comments to NPCs in the hope of 'getting lucky'? :D
#16 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 14:38:02	Dungeons and Dragons as a whole has been slaughtered up ever since the 2nd large wave of 2nd edition products. WotC and now Hasbro will continue this trend no doubt. I haven' been buying any new content for years. Much better and enlightening to buy the old out of prints and base your life (game) around solid, playable, enjoyable, logical, and easily comprehended content. Abysslin
#17 ranger_reg Oct 04, 2003 20:36:22	Originally posted by Visceris Well, I don't give a crap who is to blame any more. It wuill be my last DnD computer game. Congrats WotC, you lost another customer. First off, you must give a specific yet valid reason (in your opinion) as to why you're leaving Wizards as a customer. That way I can agree with you ... or ridicule you. AFAIC, Wizards have NOTHING to do with the development of the game other than their trademarks, most especially since their parent company, Hasbro, have sold their electronic rights to Infogrames/Atari TWO YEARS AGO.
#18 zombiegleemax Oct 09, 2003 2:13:53	Originally posted by Ranger REG First off, you must give a specific yet valid reason (in your opinion) as to why you're leaving Wizards as a customer. That way I can agree with you ... or ridicule you. AFAIC, Wizards have NOTHING to do with the development of the game other than their trademarks, most especially since their parent company, Hasbro, have sold their electronic rights to Infogrames/Atari TWO YEARS AGO. WotC still has the right to say yay or nay on computer gaming material. The same with Hasbro, then it has to pass Atari's gates. They all have a say in the matter. They just want family oriented DnD bull. WotC/Hasbro had Atari force Troika to remove 33% of the dialog and have them close sections of the game.
#19 zombiegleemax Oct 15, 2003 20:02:19	Originally posted by Visceris WotC/Hasbro had Atari force Troika to remove 33% of the dialog and have them close sections of the game. No they didn't. What are you smoking?
#20 ranger_reg Oct 16, 2003 22:22:17	Originally posted by Visceris They just want family oriented DnD bull. Old news. We already know that Wizards want to sell D&D in Walmart, so they can expose their products to new customers outside of the game stores, which will hope will buy their products, and add more $$$ to their revenue to keep Hasbro "suits" satisfied. If you want NC-17, go buy the Book of Erotic Fantasy (same ruleset but without the d20 endorsement). BTW, if you don't care about who is at fault, then what intelligently logical reason for the boycott?
#21 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2003 21:13:35	BTW, if you don't care about who is at fault, then what intelligently logical reason for the boycott Quite true. Boycotting all involved: WOTC (and all its products), Hasbro (and everything it has its hands in which is quite alot), Atari/Infogames (which means missing out on some other great titles). Unfortunately, the stance seems to be that the game had quirks but was worth while rather than a flawed waste. I have yet to play it. I never buy a game at release since almost any title can be flawed and $50 is a bit too much for me to spend on a game at all; I wait till there's some decent patches out and the price drops by half. In this way, I get to play a more perfected version of the same game for half the cost. If it still bites after that though, you can bet your arse I'll be sending in a complaint or two about it through far more appropriate channels than simple trolling flames on an unrelated message board.
#22 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2003 21:23:37	Meanwhile, the game has been selling like hotcakes with thousands, nay, tens of thousands of fans clamoring for a sequel and another installment in the series.