Tenser was( was) the LG wizard in the circle of the 8. And so he was , in my campaign, sometimes involved in PC's adventures.
Today i am playing again, after a 4 years break; and i would like to know more about him.
- Do you have any details about his tower on the south shore of the Nyr Dyv?
- does he have any relation with Serten?
-Would you share on this forum any ideas, evolutions of the character in your own campaign?
Thanks.
IMC, Tenser has yet to come into contact with the PCs, although he knows of them. The only character from the Co8 that the PCs have met was Jallarzi, but that was enough for word to get back to Tenser about them. Right now he is merely watching the events of the Flanaess. The PCs in my campaign have actually stirred up quite a din, causing Turrosh Mak to declare war upon the Domain of Greyhawk, and ushering in a large number of spies from both Iuz and the Scarlet Brotherhood. The poor Free City is now being besieged from all sides. Tenser, being in close proximity to Greyhawk has yet to take an active role, but he will soon. He's not too fond of Iuz, Mak, or the SB to say the least.
This is if they have knowledge of a clone spell being cast or if they have volunteered to participate in it's casting. In any other circumstance the results play out as in the spells description.
Therefore Tenser is dead in my GH campaign.
Therefore Tenser is dead in my GH campaign.
your (seemingly neutrotic) problems with the clone spell aside, with the advent of 3e this is not realy a problem... a true resurection spell should fix the old boy right up ;)
When running high-level games and thinking about high-level NPCs in general, I've tried to keep permanent death a real threat. I'm also not too keen on the idea of someone willy-nilly deciding to true ressurect Ivid IV, Sir Bluto Sans Pite, or other historically "dead" personages.
I've also altered XP tables so that it more reflects the difficulty in attaining levels that 2nd ed had. In my games, 7th-level spells are a world away and by the time anyone gets to that level of power, the wheat has definitely been seperated from the chaff so that such people are rare indeed.
Thus, just finding someone who can cast Raise Dead becomes a task in and of itself, let alone paying for it (I upped the cost based on spell-caster and spell level). I work on the philosophy that all the gods, even the benevolent ones, believe that if you are not fated with the cash to be raised, you are not meant to be raised.
I've also attached a little extra bit on to the price of a raise. The raised is Quested with a mission that he must perform for the religion. This quest spell is not handed down by the clergy, but rather by the god who did the raising, and so is pretty much a must do thing. It's the choice you make as a player as to whether or not you want your character raised.
Having said that, I also encourage raising to be done, since I *hate* having to introduce new characters, into what is supposed to be a tight-knit group of fellows.
I also remind people that raising is a choice. It is NOT a given. The choice belongs firstly to the god who is being petitioned and secondly to the person who is to be raised. Remember that a lot of evil people make deals with devils and demons and so their souls are bound and cannot be returned to the prime and a lot of good people go to some really neat places after death, like the Elysian Fields, and get to cavort with their god, so they really don't want to come back, and there are also the weaker souled people who become petitioners and thus don't really have the choice of returning or not, and finally, many gods refuse resurrection for whatever ******* reason they want, often for reasons well beyond mortal comprehension. In other words, death can definitely be final, for anyone.
I noticed that Elmunchkin (God...I love that name....kudos for whomever actually coined the term) never got killed off.
whats your point... neither did Mordy. (tempted to say Munchkinkainen
)The big cheese enemy in my first adventure was an evil cleric. We attacked, fell back and rested and came back again. Everything we had killed was now raised and used against us. From then on, every time we killed something and had a clear path ahead, we chopped of its head and burnt up the head and body.
Dm's over the years have told me I've burnt up a good deal of treasure, but my character has never had to refight the undead version of the giant spider s/he killed three days ago again.
I've never liked the clone spell ( cause of science progress ?? ;) ), and i ll find a way to avoid it.
Concerning ressurection and raise dead, it's obvious there's a big difference with Greyhawk players than FR or other worlds. Raising dead has always been something hard and uncertain to obtain, like magic stuff.
Really, who care about magic or death when nearly everybody can buy a flametongue or a resurection scroll? No, tha'ts defintly not my world.
I think i'am fair Dm, i may help players when they don't diserve an unlucky death ( and the reverse is true) but i want DEATH to fright them.
Never want to hear" Ok, we go, you stay here with the resurection scrollS and the rings of 3 wishes, if it turns bad, use them). Greyhawk is not FR or everquest. IMHO, of course.
Does any of you know where to find 3.5 stats (or even 3) for greyhawk heroes? That would be an interesting job, if it can becomes canon...
Thank for you informations about Tenser, and don't hesitate to tell me more about his position in YOUR campaign.
Bye.
Also the actually monetary cost is minimal when you think of the other costs involved. I for one had a party of good characters two of which were lawful good, two of which were Chaotic good, and one Neutral good character. Well the leader of their party a Chaotic good ranger was slain by a hill giant. The party was forced to deal with unlikely canidate's in order to seek out a priest of Nerull which could aid them.
The party had given over land that was rewarded to them for this dark deed to take it's place. A pint of blood was taken from each of them as part of the payment as well. After several days the priest of Nerull told the party that the only way their leader could be released was if they were willing to bring him a priest of Pholtus to aid in the ceremony. But the priest of Pholtus could not be told of the reasons directly for most refuse to participate in this ceremony. The priest of Nerull had the party retrieve a low ranking member of the church of Pholtus. (It turned out this was the high prelate of Pholtus nephew).
The party lied about seeking aid for one of their friends and this young priest decided to help, not knowing that their friend was dead. When they had arrived at said spot the priest of Nerull had arranged for the young priests capture. The party protested but the priest of Nerull said without this one your friend will never return. Well one of the party members left seeking aid against the Nerull order (he was later followed and killed by an some priests of Nerull).
The rest of the party wanted to get things done as soon as possible. So while the party waited away from the ceremony, the Nerull priest sacrificed the priest of Pholtus to Nerull in payment for the release of the party's leader. Afterwards the party was lead to the ceremonial chamber and all were asked if they wanted their friend to return and if they were prepared to pay the price. Well half of the party stated they already paid the price and they wanted their friend back already. The other two said yes in a somber mood. Then the party was greeted to their lost friend. The party was happy until one of them noticed the blood stained altar behind their friend.
What happened? what did you do? they all replied. I did what you asked of me was the priests reply. What happened to the priest of Pholtus were is he? The nerull priest stated that he was in the hands of their lord Nerull. The party just realized that they had taken a big role in the sacrifice of a priest of Pholtus. But that wasn't the worst of it. They were all subject to a blood oath. Each was indebted to Nerull for ten years. Needless to say most of the party protested including their just raised friend. When all was said and done two of the party members remained. The rest laid dead including the just raised ranger.
The other two party members retired their characters as npc's and served Nerull for the rest of their lives. After this the group of player's decided that the price was to high to bring back the dead. This also keeps with my campaigns reaction to the use of magic. Most people fear it because it is not natural and witch hanging's do happen in some areas of my campaign.
Originally posted by Gadodel
IMC, Tenser returned and started a new organization. He has gathered likeminded folks to aid him take the fight right to evil's gate. No more behind the scenes agendas and methods. Tenser is more direct and far less mysterious.
IMC campaign the same thing has happened. Tenser also had a problem within the circle of eight because he was good but their outlook was decidedly neutral. Now free from the constraints of the circle, he has made strong contacts with other fairly powerful good aligned people, mostly spellcasters. Together they try to manipulate events to further the cause of good. Sometimes this means acting directly against the forces of evil, including Iuz, Turrosh and the Scarlet Brotherhood.
IMC a powerful, good-aligned former PC wizard called Morphious acts against the Scarlet Brotherhood and the evil elements of Ahlissa. He is sometimes aided by Tenser. The sort of have a world wide network of good guys. Seems to make a lot of sense given Tenser's background.
Argon dude, I want to hear what you have to say, but try to use some clear lines to separate your words into paragraphs.
Argon dude, I want to hear what you have to say, but try to use some clear lines to separate your words into paragraphs.
Ok I'll go in really big spaces for you their smooth. That's great for your campaign a little bit too matrix for me. But whatever floats your boat their smooth.
As far as I'm concerned Tenser and Ottiluke are dead long live the great Beygraf Rary! Dead is as dead does, which is lie there and let the worms have at them.
Hope that was clear enough for you Matrix.. I mean Morphious!
Originally posted by Gadodel
IMC, Tenser returned and started a new organization. He has gathered likeminded folks to aid him take the fight right to evil's gate. No more behind the scenes agendas and methods. Tenser is more direct and far less mysterious. He is fond of visiting great lords and magic academies and speaking his mind.
IIRC, Gary Holian has an article about Tenser's new order of goodness that he's been working on....