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Nobles, do we even need this class?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 0:57:42 I was wondering what everybody thought about the noble class, seems to me that this isnt really a class that is much needed but hey thats just my opinion, wondering what yall thought
#2
baron_the_curse
Oct 03, 2003 1:13:26 With the Aristocrat already available Nobles are somewhat redundant. Still, I like the Noble Class.
#3
iltharanos
Oct 03, 2003 1:24:51
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
With the Aristocrat already available Nobles are somewhat redundant. Still, I like the Noble Class.

If you go "by the book", then the Aristocrat class isn't even available, along with the Adept and the Paladin. Though personally, I like Paladins, and have allowed them in my campaign. As for nobles, they're alright.
#4
baron_the_curse
Oct 03, 2003 1:30:44 Hey, speaking of going “by the book” did you noticed that Adepts are not allow as well, yet under the Shadowperson entry “Shadowperon Characters” the class Adept is available to them. Dragonlance products continue is long standing tradition of contradicting itself… :D
#5
frojas
Oct 03, 2003 7:33:45
Hey, speaking of going “by the book” did you noticed that Adepts are not allow as well, yet under the Shadowperson entry “Shadowperon Characters” the class Adept is available to them.

This came up on the Shadowperson thread. Cam Banks recommended giving them the mystic class as a favored class. Though their version of mysticism is slightly different (in origin not game mechanics) since shadowpeople draw their power from thier connection to the shared consciousness.

FR
#6
darthsylver
Oct 03, 2003 8:26:43 Well let not forget that most people tend to forget about ergoth. Everyone normally assumes that if you want to be a paladin then your character joins the Knight of Solamnia. Ergoth is not a part of Solamnia. So why would Ergoth not have its own version of knights or even paladins. THe last thing in the history books that I can remember about Ergoth is when Vinas broke with that nation. Let us not forget that this is a brand new age, and that the gods will be working very hard to re-establish their place in the hearts and minds of people and what better way than paladins and even adepts. Adept are even easier to explain now then paladins. Adepts have knowledge of the gods, well previous to WoS this knowledge meant little other than as a history lesson Now adepts would be more commonplace. I mean let's face it, the gods cannot simply show back up and suddenly poof, everything goes back to the way it was. Now to get back on track. During the 5th age you had all these nobles who were effectively repressed by the dragon overlords, who express their will quite effectively. Now the gods have returned and those pesky overlords are either gone, or have to be careful about angering the gods (who unless they develop a whole new philosophy about direct intervention , will do nothing). So now is the time for the nobles to stand up and take back what is rightfully theirs and forget about the gods who will do nothing (unless, see above sentence about direct intervention).

And what better way than to manipulate the people, we do not need the gods. They have left us, twice and left us to the mercy of the dragons. Who was there for you, but us, the nobles. We tried to rid the world of the overlords, but we were but mere mortals the same as you. Who better to lead and care for you than someone who has suffered the same trials and tribulations as you. No "gods" could possibly understand what you have gone through. Yada, yada, yada, etc, etc, etc....

So you see, we do need the nobles. They are slightly different than the Aristocrats, who are not neccesarily nobles, but wish they were.
#7
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 9:35:49 In a campaign like Dragonlance, where the adventures are more character-driven, the noble fits well.

If you run a campaign that is a series of dungeon crawls, the noble's role is dubious at best (except maybe for party leader or diplomat).

But to really capture the "feel" of a campaign on Krynn, a good amount of roleplaying is involved. In situations like this, the noble excels.
#8
rosisha
Oct 03, 2003 11:14:22 actually i never let my characters play nobles, but do you know what the class really does well? Professionals that are beyond experts. These are useful when you want to play an expert but don't want to be a theif or bard. It allows you to have more useful skills towards that goal.

I used the noble class, for instance, to make D&D rules for Meryl Stryfe for example. It worked ammazingly well.

Rosisha
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 16:44:29
Originally posted by iltharanos
If you go "by the book", then the Aristocrat class isn't even available, along with the Adept and the Paladin. Though personally, I like Paladins, and have allowed them in my campaign. As for nobles, they're alright.

I like paladins too....and I am glad the DLCS didnt fully exclude them....
#10
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 18:38:58
And what better way than to manipulate the people, we do not need the gods. They have left us, twice and left us to the mercy of the dragons. Who was there for you, but us, the nobles. We tried to rid the world of the overlords, but we were but mere mortals the same as you. Who better to lead and care for you than someone who has suffered the same trials and tribulations as you. No "gods" could possibly understand what you have gone through. Yada, yada, yada, etc, etc, etc....

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what they call 'Inspire Greatness' ;)
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2003 19:32:56 *chuckles* I personally think the nobles rock as a class, much better at portraying that aspect of the world than the aristocrat npc class. besides, nobles with their abilities make awesome generals. *Grins*
#12
darthsylver
Oct 04, 2003 8:22:07 Originally posted by The Udjat

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what they call 'Inspire Greatness'

Is that an actually ability of the noble. I had not really noticed. I bought the DLCS, and then had to fly to VA from LA for my son's birth (I'm in the military and have not been able to move yet, but wife was transfered. She is prison guard). In my rush I left the DLCS, but bought the AoM in VA. But if that is a real noble ability then that is cool.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 0:57:42	I was wondering what everybody thought about the noble class, seems to me that this isnt really a class that is much needed but hey thats just my opinion, wondering what yall thought
#2 baron_the_curse Oct 03, 2003 1:13:26	With the Aristocrat already available Nobles are somewhat redundant. Still, I like the Noble Class.
#3 iltharanos Oct 03, 2003 1:24:51	Originally posted by Baron the Curse With the Aristocrat already available Nobles are somewhat redundant. Still, I like the Noble Class. If you go "by the book", then the Aristocrat class isn't even available, along with the Adept and the Paladin. Though personally, I like Paladins, and have allowed them in my campaign. As for nobles, they're alright.
#4 baron_the_curse Oct 03, 2003 1:30:44	Hey, speaking of going “by the book” did you noticed that Adepts are not allow as well, yet under the Shadowperson entry “Shadowperon Characters” the class Adept is available to them. Dragonlance products continue is long standing tradition of contradicting itself… :D
#5 frojas Oct 03, 2003 7:33:45	Hey, speaking of going “by the book” did you noticed that Adepts are not allow as well, yet under the Shadowperson entry “Shadowperon Characters” the class Adept is available to them. This came up on the Shadowperson thread. Cam Banks recommended giving them the mystic class as a favored class. Though their version of mysticism is slightly different (in origin not game mechanics) since shadowpeople draw their power from thier connection to the shared consciousness. FR
#6 darthsylver Oct 03, 2003 8:26:43	Well let not forget that most people tend to forget about ergoth. Everyone normally assumes that if you want to be a paladin then your character joins the Knight of Solamnia. Ergoth is not a part of Solamnia. So why would Ergoth not have its own version of knights or even paladins. THe last thing in the history books that I can remember about Ergoth is when Vinas broke with that nation. Let us not forget that this is a brand new age, and that the gods will be working very hard to re-establish their place in the hearts and minds of people and what better way than paladins and even adepts. Adept are even easier to explain now then paladins. Adepts have knowledge of the gods, well previous to WoS this knowledge meant little other than as a history lesson Now adepts would be more commonplace. I mean let's face it, the gods cannot simply show back up and suddenly poof, everything goes back to the way it was. Now to get back on track. During the 5th age you had all these nobles who were effectively repressed by the dragon overlords, who express their will quite effectively. Now the gods have returned and those pesky overlords are either gone, or have to be careful about angering the gods (who unless they develop a whole new philosophy about direct intervention , will do nothing). So now is the time for the nobles to stand up and take back what is rightfully theirs and forget about the gods who will do nothing (unless, see above sentence about direct intervention). And what better way than to manipulate the people, we do not need the gods. They have left us, twice and left us to the mercy of the dragons. Who was there for you, but us, the nobles. We tried to rid the world of the overlords, but we were but mere mortals the same as you. Who better to lead and care for you than someone who has suffered the same trials and tribulations as you. No "gods" could possibly understand what you have gone through. Yada, yada, yada, etc, etc, etc.... So you see, we do need the nobles. They are slightly different than the Aristocrats, who are not neccesarily nobles, but wish they were.
#7 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 9:35:49	In a campaign like Dragonlance, where the adventures are more character-driven, the noble fits well. If you run a campaign that is a series of dungeon crawls, the noble's role is dubious at best (except maybe for party leader or diplomat). But to really capture the "feel" of a campaign on Krynn, a good amount of roleplaying is involved. In situations like this, the noble excels.
#8 rosisha Oct 03, 2003 11:14:22	actually i never let my characters play nobles, but do you know what the class really does well? Professionals that are beyond experts. These are useful when you want to play an expert but don't want to be a theif or bard. It allows you to have more useful skills towards that goal. I used the noble class, for instance, to make D&D rules for Meryl Stryfe for example. It worked ammazingly well. Rosisha
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 16:44:29	Originally posted by iltharanos If you go "by the book", then the Aristocrat class isn't even available, along with the Adept and the Paladin. Though personally, I like Paladins, and have allowed them in my campaign. As for nobles, they're alright. I like paladins too....and I am glad the DLCS didnt fully exclude them....
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 18:38:58	And what better way than to manipulate the people, we do not need the gods. They have left us, twice and left us to the mercy of the dragons. Who was there for you, but us, the nobles. We tried to rid the world of the overlords, but we were but mere mortals the same as you. Who better to lead and care for you than someone who has suffered the same trials and tribulations as you. No "gods" could possibly understand what you have gone through. Yada, yada, yada, etc, etc, etc.... And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what they call 'Inspire Greatness' ;)
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2003 19:32:56	chuckles I personally think the nobles rock as a class, much better at portraying that aspect of the world than the aristocrat npc class. besides, nobles with their abilities make awesome generals. Grins
#12 darthsylver Oct 04, 2003 8:22:07	Originally posted by The Udjat And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what they call 'Inspire Greatness' Is that an actually ability of the noble. I had not really noticed. I bought the DLCS, and then had to fly to VA from LA for my son's birth (I'm in the military and have not been able to move yet, but wife was transfered. She is prison guard). In my rush I left the DLCS, but bought the AoM in VA. But if that is a real noble ability then that is cool.