Whatever happened to Takhisis's wayward daughters, Artha and Juathuli?
I remember Artha from some old Taladas supplements but I really don’t recall her fate. And who can forget Juathuli, the goddess that brought our beloved drows into Krynn? Her story I remember from the supplement Wild Elves but as to how the story ended I’m drawing I blank and I can’t find my copy of the book anywhere at the moment.
So where are these “outcast” goddess today? Will they be even mentioned briefly in the Holy Order of the Stars upcoming book?
And lastly, I’m crossing my fingers hoping that Astral Dragons will be included in the new Krynn Bestiary. They where just to cool.
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Does anyone even remember who these goddess are?
They are her daughters by Hiddukel. Both are dead, to my knowledge.
I'm not as familiar with Artha, so I'll let others comment on that one.
To my knowledge, neither have appeared outside their initial source products.
Originally posted by Daedavias
They are her daughters by Hiddukel. Both are dead, to my knowledge.
Are you sure? I thought Artha was sired by Chemosh.
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Are you sure? I thought Artha was sired by Chemosh.
Being a god of lies let you do a lot, including fool someone into believing you are someone else. Gotta love that darn Hiddukel.
And yes, it was Hiddukel, however, he tricked Takhisis by making her believe that he was Chemosh. Being a god of lies has its advantages.
As for Artha, I seem to recall her being killed, if anyone can confirm it?
And Jiathuli is trapped in her own demi-dimension, and so few even know of her and she has few worshippers at all, I believe.
Oh, I just remembered a site that may help and has information on all the known demi-gods.
http://www.dreadgazebo.com/astinus/demigods.html
That should answer most of your questions.
Personally, I like the idea behind most of those demi-gods and hope they are acknowledged and made official in DL3ed and perhaps mentoined some in the Holy Order of the Stars book or somewhere else. Stats and notes for them would be appreciated so they could be included in any RP adventure. Although I despise the Drow and hope they have nothing to do with Krynn, I like the idea of a small cult of spider worshippers on Taladas perhaps, with Spider Dragons and such. And the Artha story was quite interesting, despite her apparent demise. And the Astral Dragons should also be included. We can only hope.
Cheers,
Inkubus
I thought I new every demi-god of Krynn, but I was wrong. Are Bast, Malfesus, and Sebastius mention in past Dragonlance products or are they fan creations?
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Tyreal thanks for the link. I would be sourly disappointed if the demi-gods are not acknowledged or mention in DL3e. As for the Astral Dragons I don't see why they shouldn't be included in the upcoming Krynn Bestiary
The problem with the astral dragons was that they upset all of the previously established history on the dragons of Krynn, and where they came from. They were also incredibly silly. Not as silly as the kodragons, but silly nevertheless.
Now, this isn't to say one couldn't do something clever with them to make them no longer silly, but given that their particular offshoot of continuity seems to have been excised, their existence is no longer necessary.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Tyreal thanks for the link. I would be sourly disappointed if the demi-gods are not acknowledged or mention in DL3e. As for the Astral Dragons I don't see why they shouldn't be included in the upcoming Krynn Bestiary
I thought I new every demi-god of Krynn, but I was wrong. Are Bast, Malfesus, and Sebastius mention in past Dragonlance products or are they fan creations?
I don't know anything about Malfesus, but I've heard of Sebastius(but not much), and Bast was in Brothers Majere, I do believe(it's been a long time, and our librarian sold the book, so I can't read it again).
Although, I was always under the impression that Astinus' origins were mysterious, and that there were many theories of what he was, but no actual answers. So he's Gilean's son? Darn. I always liked the theory that Astinus *WAS* Gilean. It explains why he "left", as I don't see why Astinus would leave if he wasn't forced to. Also, why would Takhisis let Sebastius stay? Wouldn't he be a potential threat to her?
I get so lucky making up stuff for my campaign. See I actually used a god named Bast once, basically another aspect of Habbakuk. Now that I know Bast exist I don’t have to assume that. Very cool. Of course, being from the book the Brothers Majere everyone is just going to sum it up to another “Kender Tale”…
Both Astinus and Sebastius are free-willed avatars of Gilean. They both ARE Gilean, but the god itself doesn't operate them directly (like how Paladine controls Fizban). Since Gilean is the head of the neutrals, and neutralities major focus is free-willed, I can see him doing it.
With the two of them created directly from Gilean, and being beings of their own, the concept of viewing them as 'brothers' to each and the 'sons' of Gilean works.
As for why Sebastius was allowed to remain during 5th Age, I believe that Sebastius had complete free-will while Gilean still had a bit of a finger in controlling Astinus. Basically, Astinus chose to remain partially connected to the God in order to be more capable in performing his duties. Sebastius, however, is on his own (which is why he is in frequent contact with his brother; Astinus has the in-flux of information Sebastius can't get in similar fashion). So, when Krynn went poof around the Gods, Chaos, and Raistlin; all of the connected avatars were left behind as well. But with Sebastius completely cut off, Takhisis did not view him as a threat and carried him off with the rest of the world without a third or second thought.
Of course this is 100% unofficial and completely speculative. But it lets me sleep at night. ;)
Originally posted by carteeg
Both Astinus and Sebastius are free-willed avatars of Gilean. They both ARE Gilean, but the god itself doesn't operate them directly (like how Paladine controls Fizban). Since Gilean is the head of the neutrals, and neutralities major focus is free-willed, I can see him doing it.
With the two of them created directly from Gilean, and being beings of their own, the concept of viewing them as 'brothers' to each and the 'sons' of Gilean works.
Hey!
Way to go Carteeg...this is the perfect theory to mesh the two ideas! Now I can sleep at night too...thanks!
I don't understand Avatars and how they relate to their god forms very well (probably because my major stint in D&D is Dragonlance...where the gods rarely visit Krynn in a form that needs to be detailed more than, "It's Paladine, pretending to be a befuddled old wizard...you can't kill him, so don't worry about it.")