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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 06, 2003 22:21:37 I am joining a new DL campaign. I have an idea for a new character. A Counter speller, the idea comes from the Character creation handbook. It is a Fighter/Wizard who basically specializes in fighting and destroying wizards. I think I could make this work in Dragonlance by having him be a member of the Neutral (Lunitari?) wizards. Used to hunt those rogue wizards who don't take the test or try to practice wizardry without joining the High Sorcery school.
Yes I know about those Preistly wizard hunters but I do not like Preist at all (Probably stems from my distaste for organize religion, but that is for another board on a totally different website).
I also vaguely remember the KOT having wizard nights? But as I recall they were called nights but really just wizards. I want a fighting Wizard.

Does this sound feasible?
#2
zombiegleemax
Oct 06, 2003 22:27:35 You're Renegade-hunter would be a Black Robe. Hunting down and slaying other people, for any reaosn is an evil act. If, instead, you hunted them down, captured them and brought them in and only killed if it was your last option, then you'd be neutral.
#3
Dragonhelm
Oct 06, 2003 22:31:48 You have several options, depending on the era you're playing in.

1. Renegade Hunter - Wizard of High Sorcery who specializes in hunting down renegade wizards. There's no official prestige class for this, but a regular old Wizard of High Sorcery would work.

2. Knight of the Thorn - The arcane spellcasting wing of the Knights of Neraka (formerly Knights of Takhisis).

3. Legion Sorcerer - Sorcerer in the Legion of Steel, often fighting against the oppression of the dragon overlords.

4. War Mage - This prestige class is in Age of Mortals, and works with any of the PrCs above. I'd highly recommend them for use with the Thorn Knights, although they would work well for any of the above groups.

Anyway, those are some options to get you started.
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 06, 2003 22:43:44 Thanks for the suggestions,

The rogue-hunter sounds pretty close to what I was looking for.

Though I want to continue to advance in Fighter as well as Wizard. concentrate on skills that help me find and defeat Wizards (quickened/silent/still-Dispell magic, etc...)

Yes you are right I need to simply bring them in to be neutral, Kill only when completely necessary... ;)

Hope to hear some more Ideas
#5
zombiegleemax
Oct 07, 2003 21:32:11 At the end of "The Medusa Plague" (Defenders of Magic Bk II) Par-Salian sends for three wizards who fit the billof what you're talking about. I haven't read the third book, but if you want a reference for class abilities you could start there.
There's also the mage killer in Magic of Faerun, if you've got that handy, which could make a good starting point.
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 07, 2003 22:22:50 If you're willing to look at prestige classes outside of dragonlance for the role, try the eldritch knight from the core rules, or the mage-killer from the Forgotten Realms. The Spellsword from T&B would allow you to advance as a fighter, as well as a caster every other level. If you follow the Player's Handbook (I think) suggestions on altering the core classes by changing spell lists and skill lists, and to some extent special abilities, the bard (basing off of the Blade character kit in the 2e Complete Bard's guide) would make an excellent renegade hunter from even first level. The Spellfilch, from AoM, is another good one, with its Spellwise ability, but you need to have a few rogue abilities, such as sneak attack, to aquire the PrC. The Arcane Devotee, from FRCS, is a fun one, as his excuse for hunting renegades is his utter devotion to his God of Magic. His sacred bonus to saving throws is a nice addition, the divine shroud ability gives him an improved spell resistance, and he has the ability to cast spells of his alignment at +1 caster level.
#7
baron_the_curse
Oct 07, 2003 22:38:15 Following WinterKnights train of thought here is another suggestion. The sourcebook “War” by AEG has a prestige class call the Spellbreaker. They are dwarven wizards specialize in counter spelling and neutralizing other wizards. I don’t recommend War as a book worth buying, but if you can take a look at it at Barns and Nobles or borrowed it from friend you might want to consider taking this class if your DM allows it. With a little tweaking it fits well in Krynn. I modified a version of it for Wizards of High Sorcery who specialize in hunting down Renegades.
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 08, 2003 3:41:12 All,

thank you for the wealth of suggestions! It appears there are more than a few close but not quite exactly what I want ideas.

I'm currently thinking to do the following:

Modify the Spellsword prestige class to fit my wishes
or
Modify the fighter core class to include spells (list including dispell magic, spell turning, shield etc... you get the gist)

I will have to find the time to read the following:
Spellbreaker, "The Medusa Plague" (Defenders of Magic Bk II),
eldritch knight , or the mage-killer

Thanks again
#9
shugi
Oct 08, 2003 10:58:54 There is also a "psi-hunter" class in Dragon Magazine #281 that could be easily adapted to a "wizard-hunter". Personally, I'd shy away from changing core classes, but prestige classes are another matter entirely.

Perhaps a ranger / wizard hunter (for the favored enemy & track) ?
#10
zombiegleemax
Oct 08, 2003 15:14:02 I know I have suggested altering core classes in the past, both here and on the FR forum, but that is only because it is an option given in the core rules: making a ranger into an undead hunter, or creating a witch style character based out of the sorcerer core class. Personally, I avoid it, since most of the time a PrC will fit the bill, and both DMs and players involved in the altering tend towards unbalancing the core class. some do manage to pull it off fairly well, but the temptation an both sides is there. so be careful if you go with an altered class. Typically, spell lists and class skills tend to be the safest route, avoiding moding the special abilities of the class.
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 08, 2003 17:51:01 Umm.....wouldn't the fact that your both a fighter and a wizard make you an outlaw to the WoHS? As far as I know they don't allow you to do both. Maybe if you didn't have too many wiz levels, but if your casting 3rd lvl spells and swinging a sword your gonna stand out a bit.
#12
zombiegleemax
Oct 08, 2003 21:03:10 Nah, the WoHS dont outlaw it. They just dont traditionaly use them, and they are very big on tradition. The character probably wouldnt have many friends, or raise very high in rank, but they would let him do it.
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 08, 2003 21:06:50 given his professional role as a hunter of other magicians, he's probably not going to have many friends in the WoHS anyway.
#14
j0llyblackgiant
Oct 08, 2003 23:17:05
Originally posted by Winterknight
given his professional role as a hunter of other magicians, he's probably not going to have many friends in the WoHS anyway.

if u have read the defenders of magic trilogy u would know even the WoHS have assassins who can weild both steel and spells... so there can be a fighter/wizard who hunts rouge wizards. also their could be some self immployed who hunt all wizards because they follow the kingpreist belief that magic is evil no matter what

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 06, 2003 22:21:37	I am joining a new DL campaign. I have an idea for a new character. A Counter speller, the idea comes from the Character creation handbook. It is a Fighter/Wizard who basically specializes in fighting and destroying wizards. I think I could make this work in Dragonlance by having him be a member of the Neutral (Lunitari?) wizards. Used to hunt those rogue wizards who don't take the test or try to practice wizardry without joining the High Sorcery school. Yes I know about those Preistly wizard hunters but I do not like Preist at all (Probably stems from my distaste for organize religion, but that is for another board on a totally different website). I also vaguely remember the KOT having wizard nights? But as I recall they were called nights but really just wizards. I want a fighting Wizard. Does this sound feasible?
#2 zombiegleemax Oct 06, 2003 22:27:35	You're Renegade-hunter would be a Black Robe. Hunting down and slaying other people, for any reaosn is an evil act. If, instead, you hunted them down, captured them and brought them in and only killed if it was your last option, then you'd be neutral.
#3 Dragonhelm Oct 06, 2003 22:31:48	You have several options, depending on the era you're playing in. 1. Renegade Hunter - Wizard of High Sorcery who specializes in hunting down renegade wizards. There's no official prestige class for this, but a regular old Wizard of High Sorcery would work. 2. Knight of the Thorn - The arcane spellcasting wing of the Knights of Neraka (formerly Knights of Takhisis). 3. Legion Sorcerer - Sorcerer in the Legion of Steel, often fighting against the oppression of the dragon overlords. 4. War Mage - This prestige class is in Age of Mortals, and works with any of the PrCs above. I'd highly recommend them for use with the Thorn Knights, although they would work well for any of the above groups. Anyway, those are some options to get you started.
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 06, 2003 22:43:44	Thanks for the suggestions, The rogue-hunter sounds pretty close to what I was looking for. Though I want to continue to advance in Fighter as well as Wizard. concentrate on skills that help me find and defeat Wizards (quickened/silent/still-Dispell magic, etc...) Yes you are right I need to simply bring them in to be neutral, Kill only when completely necessary... ;) Hope to hear some more Ideas
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 07, 2003 21:32:11	At the end of "The Medusa Plague" (Defenders of Magic Bk II) Par-Salian sends for three wizards who fit the billof what you're talking about. I haven't read the third book, but if you want a reference for class abilities you could start there. There's also the mage killer in Magic of Faerun, if you've got that handy, which could make a good starting point.
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 07, 2003 22:22:50	If you're willing to look at prestige classes outside of dragonlance for the role, try the eldritch knight from the core rules, or the mage-killer from the Forgotten Realms. The Spellsword from T&B would allow you to advance as a fighter, as well as a caster every other level. If you follow the Player's Handbook (I think) suggestions on altering the core classes by changing spell lists and skill lists, and to some extent special abilities, the bard (basing off of the Blade character kit in the 2e Complete Bard's guide) would make an excellent renegade hunter from even first level. The Spellfilch, from AoM, is another good one, with its Spellwise ability, but you need to have a few rogue abilities, such as sneak attack, to aquire the PrC. The Arcane Devotee, from FRCS, is a fun one, as his excuse for hunting renegades is his utter devotion to his God of Magic. His sacred bonus to saving throws is a nice addition, the divine shroud ability gives him an improved spell resistance, and he has the ability to cast spells of his alignment at +1 caster level.
#7 baron_the_curse Oct 07, 2003 22:38:15	Following WinterKnights train of thought here is another suggestion. The sourcebook “War” by AEG has a prestige class call the Spellbreaker. They are dwarven wizards specialize in counter spelling and neutralizing other wizards. I don’t recommend War as a book worth buying, but if you can take a look at it at Barns and Nobles or borrowed it from friend you might want to consider taking this class if your DM allows it. With a little tweaking it fits well in Krynn. I modified a version of it for Wizards of High Sorcery who specialize in hunting down Renegades.
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 08, 2003 3:41:12	All, thank you for the wealth of suggestions! It appears there are more than a few close but not quite exactly what I want ideas. I'm currently thinking to do the following: Modify the Spellsword prestige class to fit my wishes or Modify the fighter core class to include spells (list including dispell magic, spell turning, shield etc... you get the gist) I will have to find the time to read the following: Spellbreaker, "The Medusa Plague" (Defenders of Magic Bk II), eldritch knight , or the mage-killer Thanks again
#9 shugi Oct 08, 2003 10:58:54	There is also a "psi-hunter" class in Dragon Magazine #281 that could be easily adapted to a "wizard-hunter". Personally, I'd shy away from changing core classes, but prestige classes are another matter entirely. Perhaps a ranger / wizard hunter (for the favored enemy & track) ?
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 08, 2003 15:14:02	I know I have suggested altering core classes in the past, both here and on the FR forum, but that is only because it is an option given in the core rules: making a ranger into an undead hunter, or creating a witch style character based out of the sorcerer core class. Personally, I avoid it, since most of the time a PrC will fit the bill, and both DMs and players involved in the altering tend towards unbalancing the core class. some do manage to pull it off fairly well, but the temptation an both sides is there. so be careful if you go with an altered class. Typically, spell lists and class skills tend to be the safest route, avoiding moding the special abilities of the class.
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 08, 2003 17:51:01	Umm.....wouldn't the fact that your both a fighter and a wizard make you an outlaw to the WoHS? As far as I know they don't allow you to do both. Maybe if you didn't have too many wiz levels, but if your casting 3rd lvl spells and swinging a sword your gonna stand out a bit.
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 08, 2003 21:03:10	Nah, the WoHS dont outlaw it. They just dont traditionaly use them, and they are very big on tradition. The character probably wouldnt have many friends, or raise very high in rank, but they would let him do it.
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 08, 2003 21:06:50	given his professional role as a hunter of other magicians, he's probably not going to have many friends in the WoHS anyway.
#14 j0llyblackgiant Oct 08, 2003 23:17:05	Originally posted by Winterknight given his professional role as a hunter of other magicians, he's probably not going to have many friends in the WoHS anyway. if u have read the defenders of magic trilogy u would know even the WoHS have assassins who can weild both steel and spells... so there can be a fighter/wizard who hunts rouge wizards. also their could be some self immployed who hunt all wizards because they follow the kingpreist belief that magic is evil no matter what