Hey Darkwarrior, looking for info on everybody’s favorite Death Knight?
Lord Soth was included in the original Black and Red Ravenloft boxed sets (Domains and Denizens). He was also included in the hardback Domains of Dread for 2E, but has not appeared in any 3E Ravenloft products (he’s alluded to, but never mentioned by name).
He has his own adventure titled “When Black Roses Bloom” (which is SO ill and I HIGHLY recommend you cop it) and is also included in a few novels (Knight Of The Black Rose details his arrival in Ravenloft, and Spectre of the Black Rose details his “escape” from Ravenloft). This former Darklord of Sithicus can also be found in a short story from Tales of Terror (Rigors of the Game is the title, I believe).
So as far as Soth’s adventures in Ravenloft, consider reading Knight of the Black Rose first, followed by the 2E adventure module When Black Roses Bloom. Then wrap it all up by reading Spectre, and see why he’s no longer a prisoner in the Dread Realms.
Peace, Darkwarrior!
Originally posted by The MadStepDad
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Then wrap it all up by reading Spectre, and see why he’s no longer a prisoner in the Dread Realms.
Then realize why so many people now hate Weis and Hickman.
Originally posted by Scipio
Then realize why so many people now hate Weis and Hickman.
:D
That's WORD!
peace, Scipio!
MSD
then in Denizens, can you get lord soth's stats and miniature or just his stats?
also, what is dragonlance about?
Originally posted by DarkWarrior711
they should have kept lord soth in ravenloft.
also, what is dragonlance about?
AARRRGGGHHHH...... :D
i didn't think there were RPGers not knowing dragonlance....it's a must have....go out to a book store and buy the Dragons of the winter night.
see ya.
PS: Anyway Dragonlance is about dragon and lances. :D
Originally posted by Scipio
Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman are the writers who came up with the Dragonlance setting. They also came up with the character of Soth, and agreed to let him be used in Ravenloft. They then changed there minds, pulled him back to Krynn, and
They came out of the whole thing looking like two of the biggest 4 year-olds ever.
Welll actually no.
Weis and Hickman never agreed to the crossover.
It was a decision made solely by the magnement guys, and the ravenloft design.
Weis and Hickman never had and doesn't have any formal rights to dragonlance or the character. The right to the setting and characters are owned by
tsr --> WoTC --> Hasbro.
Of course they do have a powerful informal saying in the corridors, so Hickman (who came up with Soth) was asked about the crossover but he did'nt like it.
Originally posted by DarkWarrior711
they should have kept lord soth in ravenloft.
also, what is dragonlance about?
Yes this ís really A TOUGH question.
I suggest you go over to the dragonlance board
(other worlds --> dragonlance) and oist a newbie thread.
But here is a quick overview.
Dragonlance is a setting full of epic tales and eternal struggle between good and evil.
Dragonlance is set on the world of krynn, where the main continent is ansalon. (other continents include taladas).
Some of the things that sets dragonlance (DL) apart from the other DnD settings are:
There are more dragons
The dragons and the gods ARE MUCH MORE involved in the mortals lives and conflicts. Often the conflicts are in fact masterminded by the gods.
DL is based on a philosophi the humans have the power of chioce between good and evil and almost all of the other races don't.
The existence of the gods is a really complicated matter in severel periodes of the worlds history.
There are no orcs on krynn, no drows and no psionics.
The best way to get an overview of krynn is the read the chronicles trilogy
1. the dragons of autumn twillight
2. the dragons of winter night
3. the dragons of spring dawning
Than followed buy the legeds trilogy
1. time of the twins
2. war of the twins
3. test of the twins.
Those are the first two are the main trilogies and the most important to read. Chronicles first.
Originally posted by Voiceman
Welll actually no.
Weis and Hickman never agreed to the crossover.
It was a decision made solely by the magnement guys, and the ravenloft design.
Weis and Hickman never had and doesn't have any formal rights to dragonlance or the character. The right to the setting and characters are owned by
You are correct that they did not have control over the decision. Margaret and Tracy were, however, invited to participate in helping to plot the move to Ravenloft, to review the novel, and so on. They both declined the offer.
It was also made clear to Tracy at the time of Knight of the Black Rose that the point was not to change Soth's character, and that the character would be left in a place where the mechanism for moving him back to Krynn, unchanged, was implicit. That turned out to be exactly how things played out.
Cheers,
James Lowder
Originally posted by jonesy
Regardless, the Ravenloft books are the best Soth stories (which is a lot being said by as big a W&H fanboy as I happen to be). ;)
Thanks very much
Cheers,
Jim Lowder
Originally posted by DarkWarrior711
so the black box is Domains and red box is Denizens?
then in Denizens, can you get lord soth's stats and miniature or just his stats?
The Black Box is Realm of Terror. The Red Box is Ravenloft Campaign Setting. The hardcover is Domains of Dread. DoD is the last official Ravenloft book to contain Lord Soth's stats.
I have no clue where to get a Soth mini.
Originally posted by DarkSoldier
I have no clue where to get a Soth mini.
I know of at least two Soth miniatures made by Ral Partha; try eBay.
Originally posted by James Lowder
You are correct that they did not have control over the decision. Margaret and Tracy were, however, invited to participate in helping to plot the move to Ravenloft, to review the novel, and so on. They both declined the offer.
It was also made clear to Tracy at the time of Knight of the Black Rose that the point was not to change Soth's character, and that the character would be left in a place where the mechanism for moving him back to Krynn, unchanged, was implicit. That turned out to be exactly how things played out.
Cheers,
James Lowder
Mr. Lowder:
I feel the need to use this forum to publicly apologise for certain remarks I've made on other boards. Until recently, I blamed you exclusively for what I considered to be the rather poor job I felt was done with Soth's storyline. When I first read the module in 'World of Krynn', I thought the idea of Soth claiming Kitiara, body and soul, and resurrecting her as a penangalan was brilliant. When I first heard that Ravenloft was going to absorb Soth, I liked the idea, and I thought it would be cool if KItiara became the new Lord of Dargaard Keep. I was so disappointed when I first read your book because I considered it revisionism of the worst kind. I had no idea you were specificly prohibited from reading the module and had no right to lay all of my disappointment at your feet. In spite of everything though, sir, I still feel that the publication of your book coinsided with the beginning of a long string of poor creative decisions which shall always prevent Soth from being the great character he could have been. There is nothing we fans of this particular material hate more than seeing something of this sort not be everything it could be. Still, whatever the case, it wasn't your fault and I had no right to blame you when I hadn't done the research to back it up, and for that, I owe you this apology. I'm sorry.
Originally posted by Manofevil
In spite of everything though, sir, I still feel that the publication of your book coinsided with the beginning of a long string of poor creative decisions which shall always prevent Soth from being the great character he could have been.
There was nothing in Knight that changed Soth's character, and his use in RL didn't preclude in any way his development later in Dragonlance. The characteristics of the Mists meant that he could leave Krynn and return a moment later, even while years had passed in Sithicus. Also, the character was moved to RL at a time when Hickman and Weis were not writing for the company, so it wasn't like anyone stole him away from under them. And when they were writing for WotC and they wanted him back, the shift was effected, just as had always been planned (as far as I'm concerned).
But if you don't feel I did the character justice, that's certainly your perogative as a reader
As for the module--I was actually allowed to look at it, but I was told quite clearly that it was not considered official DL continuity and that under no circumstances could I use Kit in the RL storyline.
Cheers,
Jim Lowder
From what I have heard, most sceptic people (on the Soth issue)
fell that Weis & Hickman was a little betrayed and that is was a violation of dragonlance. But it is simply because they don't know the whole story behind the project and because they haven't read the books.
Most people that I know changes their views when the have read the books, and I think that Soth's downfall in War of Souls have made a lot of people more positive towards the crossover, because they work so well together.
For me it is an example of perfect continuety.
Soth choice in WoS is a continueous process started in spectre of the black rose, which again is a product of his chioces in the preceding book all the way back to chronicles.
The way he refused to compromise his integrity and his choices, the style is kept ALL the way.
With regards to the miniatures:
they are still a few of them around. I think my friend still have caramon and soth somewhere in his pile.
try gaming groups around the countryside.