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#1 kalanth Oct 23, 2003 16:51:00	I am just full of inquires today. Ok, here is another one. Has anyone out there actually used (or plan to use) either of these books in a Dragonlance setting? I know the Exaulted Deeds has just come out, but it is a good book with some quality information that can be feesable into a game (and some PrC's that could work too, if you change the God they are dedicated to). I was seeking some creative input from people that have used them in their DL games. Also, would you think it feesable to remove the Disease Immunity from a Draconian for the sake of gaining a PrC. I was contemplating creating a 10th level Cancer Mage from a Sivak Draconian as one of the enemies (one of the few monsters classes that qualify without any core classes). The class casts no magic, but it does require that you were exposed to a disease and survived. I figured the Sivak would be good because it could have contracted the disease from the last kill and shapechanged, allowing the disease in. This is something I want to do plot wise, but mostly I wanted opinions from other DL Aficionados.
#2 brimstone Oct 23, 2003 17:42:59	I haven't received my Book of Exhalted Deeds yet. But I'm sure there's stuff in there that will work for Dragonlance. Alot of stuff from the Book of Vile Darkness can be used in DL, I think. Especially for some of the evil cults of Morgion and Chemosh. Mostly though, I am using the BoVD for a home world I'm working on that is roughly Diablo-ish in flavor. I am looking forward to the BoED to round out the campaign of Heaven vs. Hell. I call the campaign "Ragnarok." And yes, I know that's Norse in origin...but Armaggedon just seemed too obvious. ;)
#3 baron_the_curse Oct 23, 2003 18:08:51	I’ve used the “Lingering Effects of Evil” in Nightlund. I worked beautifully. The “green fog” and “Rain of blood” also served my campaign well to freak out the players. Most of the Book of Vile Darkness works well for Dragonlance. One of the players faced a Death Knight with a sword that caused Vile Damage. It was very cool having to find a holy sanctuary to rest to heal this “malignant wound” naturally, as you know vile damage is so wicket not even clerical spells can heal it. I don’t have the Book of Exalted Deeds yet, but I look forward to buying it soon. I don’t understand why is rated Mature though. Is there such a thing as deeds so good children can’t be exposed to them? I guest maybe it has to do with some of the brief nudity in the book. I think the Sivak Cancer mage is a great idea. He could have been cursed; his genetics might have changed by some depraved Aurak experiment, our maybe never developed the standard draconian immunities, and despite that still manages to survive and prosper. Post your draconian if you don’t mind when your done with him I would like to take a look.
#4 The_White_Sorcerer Oct 23, 2003 23:04:36	Originally posted by Baron the Curse I don’t understand why is rated Mature though. The moral dilemmas. It's all in the moral dilemmas. Mmm... a cancer mage who serves Morgion... I'm getting inspired...
#5 kalanth Oct 24, 2003 9:29:47	The puropose for the Mature label on the BoED is this. In the book are a few things that religious communities consider to be controversial, such as the Stigmata feet and the Relics that were used to sacrifice people of such high and renowned good. There is a lot that could be controversial, so they figured they throw the label on and then only mature readers who would take the information seriously would use the book. My home computer is toast right now, but Sunday, at my gamming session I will show early and post the Sivak. He is quite powerful, especially since he technically qualifies for the PrC without any Core levels.
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 12:59:11	I figured the mature label was because there are a few places the book discusses sexuality pretty specificaly. Alot of parents would not like there childrens sexual morals to come from a dnd book
#7 kalanth Oct 24, 2003 13:53:06	The majority of the Mature label reasons came from the intro to the book. They describe the reasoning in good detail, and the author states that he did not feel it needed the label, but they were really just cover their butts.
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 25, 2003 21:10:18	Personally, though I haven't used them in game yet, since we're just getting started, I'm going to introduce the Annointed Knight PrC through the Kazalati Minotaurs. I was going to have the skylord PrC become available to the elves of southern ergoth and in the fringes of qualinesti, as they become closer to their Griffon allies (giant eagle as well in ergoth). ONe of my players saw the Vassal of Bahamut, but I ruled that one out for the fifth age, as Paladine would take the Platinum Dragon's place, and Paladine is no longer a god. One of my players, who wants to take the beloved of valarian, suggested I replace valarian with the forest master, and I think i might do that. Of the other PrCs I haven't decided yet, though i was considering allowing a Sorcerer who is significantly devoted to one of the gods of magic to take the exalted arcanist (which, incidently would cause the WoHS to stop branding him a Renegade.)
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 26, 2003 6:42:24	I think they both apply well in DLCS, if they are limited. Don't use the book right after you get it, thats the time when you want to make EVERYTHING from it But both books can add some nice flavor if used properly. I think the BoED applies more, since BoVD is more about insane evil and really nasty stuff. I'm actualy running an evil game pretty soon and I think the group will be suprised when that homeless guy they meet is actualy a monk of majere who has taken a vow of poverty
#10 sweetmeats Oct 26, 2003 16:30:23	I don't think much of either books works well for DL. The spells are far too CRPG for me to accept in a DL game, especially Armageddon or Fist of Death (whatever its actually called). Although the thralls and servants to demons and devils are good for NPC's, I don't see the relevant PrC's from the BoED being appropriate really (Although I have plans to introduce Vassel of Bahamut in a future campaign). Overall neither book really carries the flavour of Krynn, but YMMV.
#11 kalanth Oct 26, 2003 16:42:01	Originally posted by Baron the Curse Post your draconian if you don’t mind when your done with him I would like to take a look. You asked, and here he is. Name: Kasi Race: Sivak Draconian Alignment: Neutral Evil Deity: Morgion Gender: Male Age: 76 Size: L Height: 7'6" Weight: 272 lbs Handedness: Left Class: Cancer Mage Level: 10
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 26, 2003 17:30:00	Overall neither book really carries the flavour of Krynn, but YMMV. I agree. But there are individual things from each book that work well in Krynn. As long as only particular things are taken, I think it can enhance your DL campaing.
#13 sweetmeats Oct 27, 2003 4:33:27	Yes, absolutely. Although I do think theres more in both books that doesn't fit Krynn than does.
#14 kalanth Oct 27, 2003 8:30:30	Originally posted by SweetMeats Yes, absolutely. Although I do think theres more in both books that doesn't fit Krynn than does. The trick is to use the things in these books gently. Don't over use these books, which they already suggest, but you really gotta weed through them for what we can use.
#15 baron_the_curse Oct 27, 2003 17:00:35	Kalanth, that's a sick draconian, I like it. What did you decide to do about his desease immunity? Thanks for posting him.
#16 kalanth Oct 27, 2003 17:22:44	Originally posted by Baron the Curse Kalanth, that's a sick draconian, I like it. What did you decide to do about his desease immunity? Thanks for posting him. I went with the idea of a birth defect, and that he contracted the initial disease as a youngling draconian. He is running about right now disguised as a Half-Elf that he met on the road. He killed the Half-elf to disguise himself, and not reveal his weakness to rest of the world (before he hid in caves, away from people). His diseased form still is present, but it is more belevable that the half-elf has contracted the disease. He stays away from large towns and cities (anywhere were someone may show pitty and try to remove the disease, since that does damage to him). He Changes his disguise ever month in order to give the impression that an unknown plague is spreading, and he uses his disease form to kill random persons in the towns he passes through to continue the ruse.
#17 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 14:17:42	To answer your question I have made use of the BOVD in my previous DL 3.0 campagin, and I plan to due so again in my current DL 3.5 campaign. The key for me is to use the material in moderation and where appropiate. I also plan on getting the BOED and BOEF when time and resources allow. Why? Because all my players are 18+ yo and are mature enough to play a “mature level” campaign as describe in Dragon Magazine #300 (?), and that is the type of game I as a GM like to run (and my players like to play in!). George