I've found myself referencing my Saga boxes more often or not. So, am I blind? Or was Sable's realm just left completely out of the CS?
As it stands, the gods are still forming a position on what to do about the foreign dragons. The evil gods may offer Sable and the others protection in return servitude. The dragons won't like it, but even now clerics of gods like Chislev and Habbakuk are plotting to restore the lands the dragon overlords reshaped, and they now have much more powerful magic than in the early Fifth Age with which to do so.
So Sable is mostly just trying to figure out how to hold onto her domain.
Originally posted by Kalanth
Let me piggy back on this one a bit. Which of the Dragon Lords are still on Krynn as it stands? And where there any that were located on Taladas?
Taladas remains a mystery for the moment, but all of the Dragonlords in the Fifth Age apart from Iyesta and Stenndunuus are still alive. Margaret, Andre and I wrote up a PDF download which details the living ones, which is available on WOTC's website as a web enhancement, even.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Psionycx
No, it's there. But Sable is keeping a low profile. Life for the Dragon Overlords is a lot less cushy now that the big fish (the gods) are back in the pond. Most of the surviving interloper dragons are keeping their heads well down until they can figure out what will happen next. The gods certainly will NOT tolerate any more rampages or landscaping on the part of these non-native dragons.
I think you misunderstood me. I know she's still there. I know she's still alive. She even shows up on the map in the book. But there's no desciption of the New Swamp in the geography section. At least not that I can find. That's what I was asking about. I know all about who's still kicking and who's rotting in a whole somwhere already.
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Taladas remains a mystery for the moment, but all of the Dragonlords in the Fifth Age apart from Iyesta and Stenndunuus are still alive. Margaret, Andre and I wrote up a PDF download which details the living ones, which is available on WOTC's website as a web enhancement, even.
That's not true. Only Gelidus and Onysablet remain of the Great Dragon Overlords. Of the minor lords Iyesta and Stenndunuus were the only two to bite it.
Originally posted by Ehtoz
That's not true. Only Gelidus and Onysablet remain of the Great Dragon Overlords. Of the minor lords Iyesta and Stenndunuus were the only two to bite it.
That's exactly what he said.
Originally posted by Daedavias
That's exactly what he said...
-Taladas remains a mystery for the moment, but all of the Dragonlords in the Fifth Age apart from Iyesta and Stenndunuus are still alive.
That's what he said. It implies Iyesta and Stenndunuus are the only two to have died. Malys, Beryl and Khellendros are all dead.
Originally posted by Psionycx
Well, I think that from a space-saving perspective, they decided to omit entries for any areas that don't have a lot going on right now. Sable's swamp is a big chunk of land, but other than having a giant black dragon hiding out in it there's not much else happening there for now. Sable pretty much did away with people and settlements in her domain.
Problem is that seems to be the only ommision. Just seems really weird to leave it out is all.
Originally posted by Ehtoz
Malys, Beryl and Khellendros are all dead.
They were all OVERLORDS. There is a difference.
Originally posted by Daedavias
They were all OVERLORDS. There is a difference.
Semantics. And what did this add to the discussion?
Originally posted by Daedavias
Dragonlords are different from overlords in the respect that they do not hold nearly as much territory nor power. Cam's post made reference to the Dragonlords only, stating that all the Dragonlords except Thunder and Splendor are still alive.
And to someone who isn't familiar with that distinction? I thought I'd clarify.
Originally posted by Ehtoz
And to someone who isn't familiar with that distinction? I thought I'd clarify.
Given the way you made efforts to correct me, I would have thought you were familiar with the distinctions between Dragon Overlords and Dragonlords (the minor dragons who don't have skull totems yet still control regions of Ansalon).
You've already shown a lack of intelligence. As well as tact. So, I don't think I'm looking for responces from people like you (if a responce is what you'd call your post). So, if you act ignorant I will treat you as such. It's simple really. Like you.
That's quite enough of that, Ehtoz. Aside from the fact that you're being overly belligerent to these other posters, you're also missing the fact that my response was to Kalanth and not to you. I'm happy to provide folks with information and help on questions, but I'd like not to be the impetus for a series of name-calling posts, thanks.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Kalanth
Umm, Ehtoz, your comments about lack of tact, intelligence, etc. I think you need to reread what you have been posting, because you are the one that is missing the tact. Insulting everyone because they are not agreeing with you? That is not very mature. As for what he said, I think he would know which dragons lived and which did not, considering he helped to write the little fact.
Well Kalanth, you and Cam shouldn't feel insulted. I thought it was clear everything I said was directed at Daedavias. I feel coming into a thread and adding nothing but a rolleyes is a blatent insult. I don't take kindly to those. So yes I was rude. I hope that's how it came across to him because that's what I was aiming for.
And I don't see what the big deal is anyway. Whether you say overlord, dragonlord or great dragon they all refer to dragons that are controlling territory. Whether or not one's more powerful than another, or whether they have a shrine seems irrelevant. They're all still Dragonlords (or Overlords). So when Kalanth asked which were still around I just figured he was asking about all of them.
From his post it seems he's not very familiar with events in the 5th age. So when I added that Malys, Beryl and Skie were also dead it wasn't meant to demean Cam in anyway. I was simply trying to clarify things for Kalanth. This whole thing cold have been avoided if Daedavias had left he's pointless smiley to himself.
I would ask the board members that we keep this discussion on topic, rather than go back and forth with any name-calling or flaming. I have already reported this post to a moderator, and they will take care of it in short order.
Originally posted by Ehtoz
And I don't see what the big deal is anyway. Whether you say overlord, dragonlord or great dragon they all refer to dragons that are controlling territory. Whether or not one's more powerful than another, or whether they have a shrine seems irrelevant.
No, that's incorrect. And that's the point they've been trying to make.
There is a very distinct difference between Dragon Overlord and Dragonlord. From the very beginning they've made that very clear.
The Dragon Overlords are (well..."were") Malystryx, Khellendros, Beryllinthranox, Onysablet, and Gellidus. They were the only dragons allowed to create totems (while Malys was still alive) there fore they were the only ones allowed to warp and change their land. Also...I belive initially they were the only dragons allowed to create Dragonspawn.
Now that there are only two remaining (which by the way...in all the sources so far...we are still missing a write up on Gellidus), they have lost control on their "underlings," the remaining Dragonlords (Pitch, Cinder, Freeze, Ice, Pyro, and Fume). They have started building their own totems...and one can assume they will try and terraform their land...and they've started creating their own spawn (if they weren't already)
Anyway...so you can see...it's more than just a semantic destinction...and if we don't use the correct terminology...it will start getting very confusing.
But please remember, in any text-based environment there are multiple ways to interpret what somebody 'says'. The way you see it may not be the way they meant it, so it's not necessary to attack them right off the bat. ;)
Plus, in my experience here on the boards, Daedavias is a pretty cool dude. I'm fairly certain he meant no harm.
As for the Dragon (Over)lords. I imagine there's more info on them in the Age of Mortals. I don't have it (yet), but it'd make sense. I'll have to go dig up that neato pdf, too, if it's got all the lords on it...
Question, which hasn't been answered in my novel reading so far. If Splendor and Thunder are the only ones killed, whatever happened to Gale? Does he not count as a Lord?
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Ehtoz, there is never a reason to be rude, even if you felt that someone was rude to you first. If you felt that the emoticon chosen by Daedavias was rude, then the proper thing to do would be to alert a WizO by clicking on the link to report the post to the moderator.
I would ask the board members that we keep this discussion on topic, rather than go back and forth with any name-calling or flaming. I have already reported this post to a moderator, and they will take care of it in short order.
This is correct. Anyone who feels like they have been unduly harrassed by a post should report it to a moderator, not take it into their own hands. Doing so is likely to get yourself in trouble.
No more retribution posting please.
-Mel
Originally posted by The Udjat
As for the Dragon (Over)lords. I imagine there's more info on them in the Age of Mortals. I don't have it (yet), but it'd make sense. I'll have to go dig up that neato pdf, too, if it's got all the lords on it...
Beryllinthranox is detailed in the DLCS, Onysablet, Malystryx, and Khellendros are detailed in the AoM. On top of that, Gale, Mirror, Brine, Dhamon, and the chaos-spawned Shadow Dragon are also detailed in the AoM book.
And as Cam stated above, Ice, Freeze, Pyro, Fume, and Pitch are all detailed in the Web Enhancement. Which, like all things Dragonlance, is a pain in the butt to find on the WotC site...so here's a link:
Dragonlords
So...all we're missing is a write up on Gellidus, Stennduunus, and Iyesta. Which hopefully we'll get sometime soon.
Originally posted by The Udjat
Question, which hasn't been answered in my novel reading so far. If Splendor and Thunder are the only ones killed, whatever happened to Gale? Does he not count as a Lord?
Gale is still around, but he wasn't a Dragonlord. He was a Lieutenant to Khellendros...I believe that was the term anyway.
Anyway...I know he's detailed in the AoM book...but I haven't gotten to that point yet...so I don't know what he's doing right now.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Gale is still around, but he wasn't a Dragonlord. He was a Lieutenant to Khellendros...I believe that was the term anyway.
Anyway...I know he's detailed in the AoM book...but I haven't gotten to that point yet...so I don't know what he's doing right now.
Gale isn't, but Razor (Marshal Medan's mount, from the War of Souls trilogy) is. I'm fairly certain you could file the serial numbers off and use Razor's stats for Gale, but Razor does have the Honor-Bound feat and I seriously doubt Gale would.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Gale isn't, but Razor (Marshal Medan's mount, from the War of Souls trilogy) is. I'm fairly certain you could file the serial numbers off and use Razor's stats for Gale, but Razor does have the Honor-Bound feat and I seriously doubt Gale would.
Ah, crud, that's right...everytime I saw Razor...I thought it was strange he was in the AoM. And everytime I remember, "Oh yeah...that's Medan's mount." And everytime...I forget about 5 seconds later.
:rofl
Anyway...you know, I bet Gale would have the honor-bound feat too...after all, he was a mount for a Knight of Takhisis who at one time was full of honor (if not misguided in his morals). He wouldn't even fight Dhamon at first because of the friendship they once had.
Of course, you'd have to make Gale blind......
Originally posted by Winterknight
Gale's blind? I thought Mirror was the blind one.
Maybe they both are. Dragons are relatively more vulnerable in the eye area to injuries. (Well, Mirror's is a divine injury, but anyway...)
Thanks for all the info, guys! But just to make sure I got all of the above right...
A. Gale is alive.
B. Gale is not a Dragonlord.
C. Gale is not mentioned in the Age of Mortals.
D. But Razor is, and he's similar enough to Gale to swipe stats from (excepting his vision and possibly Honor Bound).
Are all these statements true?
If nobody's mentioned Gale since Dragons of a New Age (Haven't read Dhamon's Saga, yet), he might be an excellent candidate to appear in a campaign...
Ho hum!