What is going on in the Abyss? I mean, Tak is gone afterall, and there were some Devils/Demons there. Would they be fighting for supremacy in the Abyss? I have a plot going that has a human trying to bring Tak back from the dead (without the gods noticing) so that he can reinstill her as a god, then kill her on the Abyss to become a god. Overall, I am just wondering what is happening on the Abyss.
I still run with that assumption. After all, Krynn got pulled to another part of the Prime, outside of Krynnspace. So obviously there's more to the cosmos than just the realms they know of.
Originally posted by Kalanth
I always went with the idea that the planes of the Gods of Dragonlance, as was once described in Spelljammer, are indepent of the others. The Abyss that Tak lives on is not the same Abyss that is used in the Plainscape materials and the Book of the Planes. This was how I figured it at least. Does anyone have any particular ideas on this theory?
Actually, the planes of Kryyn are probably the same ones you find in D&D standard. Several examples illustrate this quite clearly:
1. In "The Medusa Plague," wizards summor Ki-rin, Xorn, and elementals of all sorts.
2. In the short story "Through the Door at the Top of the Sky," a gnome-built spaceship (Spelljammer?) is intercepted by Mind Flayers.
3. In the short story "A Stone's Throw Away," Tas helps Demogorgon escape from servitude to a wizard.
4. Come on, who hasn't figured out that Bahamut and Tiamat are really Paladine and Takhisis?
Originally posted by Jontg
3. In the short story "A Stone's Throw Away," Tas helps Demogorgon escape from servitude to a wizard.
In the best of tales, roger e moore corrects that saying that yes, that was supposed to be demogorgon, but he didn't know at the time that demogorgon didn't exist in the DL mythology. He said to blame it on the editors, and to call it Fred or something.
The two gods are loosely based on the gods of dragons. For instance, Bahamut cares for noone other than dragons, same with Tiamat.
Even in the Planescape line it is said that Paladine and Takhisis are in some way related to the other two, though if they are siblings or children it is not known.
And the appearance of elemntals doesn't prove that the Great Wheel is the cosmology. Elementals can come from any Elemental planes and are not tied into the Great Wheel.
Both of those short stories were written according to the 2e DL which, along with all other campaign settings, had the Great Wheel as their cosmology.
Such a cosmology was never really supported by the DL novel line. That, and the break with WotC is why the new cosmology was invented. It fits with the old novels and makes sense over all.
The fact that there is a larger cosmology out there than even the Gods know of (the Dragon Overlord planet) hints that the multiverse may not be the only multiverse. Perhaps if you went for a "swim" in the ethereal sea you'd find yourself on the Great Wheel.
If Tas can't think of Demogorgon how can I? Psht, malarky.
Did I forget one? (besides the Prime Material)
Originally posted by Halabis
Technicaly all the new cosmology crap can be easily explained away with the Module "Die Vecna, Die" It basicly sets the framework for the multiple cosmology paradigm that also ties in with the old 3e mythology. The way I see it Krynn is in another crystal sphere, the great wheel still exists, but Krynn has a set of "buffer" outer planes before one can get there (much like the cynosure and fuge plane in Forgotten Realms)
Actually, there's a quote in "Through the Door at the Top of the Sky" that verifies that--when he escapes from the Mind Flayer's ship, the gnome steals a little device that the Mind Flayers need to pass from one cosmology to another.
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Erm...*sweatdrop* Nevermind!
(Still don't suspect a thing)
