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Snow where in Greyhawk?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 28, 2003 3:28:08 Simple question.

I love the idea of a campaign set in an area that is snow bound most/all of the year round. Kind of like some of Larry Elmores artwork.

So what parts of Greyhawk get that much snow? Anywhere up north that is mostly snow bound? I'm looking for somewhere that is also fairly civilised, so the Land of Black Ice or Blackmoor is not what I'm looking for.

High up in some of the mountain ranges might have snow I suppose. Do any of the mountain ranges get permanent snow?

Help me, my ranger wants to go skiing.
#2
gadodel
Oct 28, 2003 4:19:35 Hmmm...I've always considered Perrenland to be much like Switzerland...
#3
zombiegleemax
Oct 28, 2003 6:25:40 Its sort of hard to find somewhere civilised that would be under permafrost, simply because its a bloody horrible place to live and most humans would probably nick off to somewhere warmer where they can practice the basics of civilisation, agriculture.
Perrenland would be a good bet for lot of snow for sure, still, its full of Perrenlanders so its probably not much fun, I always had them picked as Tuetonic Germans myself, though I suppose Switzerland was pretty comparable for the same time period.

Lands of the Ice and Snow Barb's up north would be about as close as you could find to 'civilisation' that exists in an area of permafrost.
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 28, 2003 9:50:16 Ice, Frost & Snow barbarians up in the north east are your best bet if you want snow and civilisation, if Viking types count as civilised that is ;)
#5
zombiegleemax
Oct 28, 2003 9:58:56 Here's a great little GH weather generator that might help you figure out a location for your game.

It's based on the Glossography information, IIRC and was made by someone who posts (or used to post) here.

For my money, any locale further than 50 degrees north is going to be snowed in for at least six months of the year. You can't go much further than that though in the Flanaess.

http://edulinux.edu2.evitech.fi/weatherforecaster/
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 29, 2003 1:58:47 Tenh!

though you may need to reject its invasion or perhaps set your campaign prior to the Greyhawk Wars...
#7
zombiegleemax
Oct 29, 2003 10:52:43 The north, always in Fantasty snow can be found by travelling north....
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 29, 2003 20:24:36 maybe most of the time, but if the continent of play is in the southern hemisphere (like ansalon on krynn), then south is where you would go.

In this case, I'd suggest finding a mountainous area where you can put a lot of high valleys, then you'll have a place were it can snow most of the time.
#9
eric_anondson
Oct 29, 2003 21:10:13 Thing is, Dorakaa is at the 45th parallel, for comparison in the real world Minneapolis is at the 45th.

Tizoc's idea to use Tenh is about the best.

The Theocracy of the Pale would be another good choice, after all, its capital is named Wintershiven. IMO, Pale has weather similar to Colorado. Tenh would be very similar, but as it is further north, chillier temps in winter months would be common (imagine Montana or Alberta).

Depending how civilized your vision of Stonehold is, the cities scattered across it are as close to tundra as a "city" gets in Greyhawk.

If you really want an abundance of mountains, Ratik might be the way to go if you think the Suel barbarians are too uncivilized.

Eric Anondson
#10
myrpg
Oct 30, 2003 23:43:16
Originally posted by Delglath
Here's a great little GH weather generator that might help you figure out a location for your game.

It's based on the Glossography information, IIRC and was made by someone who posts (or used to post) here.

For my money, any locale further than 50 degrees north is going to be snowed in for at least six months of the year. You can't go much further than that though in the Flanaess.

http://edulinux.edu2.evitech.fi/weatherforecaster/

Well, actually the generator is based on the information found in the Greyhawk boxed set from the 80's, with minor adjustments to the handling of latitude and the output to resemble D&D 3.0 weather format.

How I know this? Because I wrote it. I am surprised that it is still online, as it has been unattended for almost two years. If someone wants to have it, I can share the source. Originally it was a standalone Java2 application (wehere GUI and engine are seperated), but I wrote a servlet to control the engine through a .php GUI script.
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 31, 2003 8:43:22 Dude! I tried to get you to get into contact with Gary from Canonfire to see if they'll host it but you never did!

I'm almost positive that if you send an email to... err... too... hmm... try [email]greyhack@canonfire.com[/email] and ask if Issak will put the thing up on the greyhawkonline.com server space, that they will do it.

It's a very cool little tool and very useful, IMO. It should not be left to fade away.
#12
chatdemon
Nov 03, 2003 1:38:37 Well, Issak and I don't have the needed access to the site to install this, but I'll begin relentlessly pestering Gary till it gets done. I went and played with the thing a little bit and agree, it is very cool.
#13
myrpg
Jan 08, 2004 2:21:25 Gary never contacted me, but do not succumb into oblivion. Here it is packaged as a standalone Java application. It requires only your computer to have Java2 JRE, and JAVA_HOME variable set. You can download the Weather Forecaster from here:

here

Simply unzip the .zip-file (e.g. to c:\) and read the README.txt file for further instructions. The package does not contain source or the web site files.

#14
zombiegleemax
Jan 08, 2004 4:57:18
Originally posted by myrpg
Gary never contacted me, but do not succumb into oblivion. Here it is packaged as a standalone Java application.

Myrpg,
I didn't realize you had the application available as a stand alone download. I'll bring this file to the attention of Issak, our downloads coordinator and see about getting it hosted on Canonfire!, if you're still interested, that is.. Let me know

I was under the impression that the application was a server side thing that we would need to install on the site and serve from a webpage on CF!, thus my passing the buck off on Gary Holian. I'm not sure what issues he ran into that caused the deal to fall through, so to speak, so I won't try offering any speculative excuses.

I do apologize for the delay though, and if you're still interested in having us host the package, Issak and I will get the work done ASAP, again, just give me the thumbs up and I'll get on it.

Thanks again for sharing your work, it's a great little tool.
#15
zombiegleemax
Jan 08, 2004 5:02:15 Back to the original topic

Originally posted by Morphious

High up in some of the mountain ranges might have snow I suppose. Do any of the mountain ranges get permanent snow?

One place to consider is the Crystalmist Mountains, just west of Sterich. Despite the southerly location and relatively warm climates of the surrounding nations, this part of the range is home to a sizeable glacier (where the Frost Giant Jarl adventure took place, and where the Davish river gets its cool waters) The Cyrstalmists are a high enough range that it is easy to imagine such alpine winterland realms high within as the setting you seek. It's also a mere 2 or 3 day journey from the civilized realms of Sterich, Yeomanry, Keoland and (depending on the era of the setting you use) Geoff.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 28, 2003 3:28:08	Simple question. I love the idea of a campaign set in an area that is snow bound most/all of the year round. Kind of like some of Larry Elmores artwork. So what parts of Greyhawk get that much snow? Anywhere up north that is mostly snow bound? I'm looking for somewhere that is also fairly civilised, so the Land of Black Ice or Blackmoor is not what I'm looking for. High up in some of the mountain ranges might have snow I suppose. Do any of the mountain ranges get permanent snow? Help me, my ranger wants to go skiing.
#2 gadodel Oct 28, 2003 4:19:35	Hmmm...I've always considered Perrenland to be much like Switzerland...
#3 zombiegleemax Oct 28, 2003 6:25:40	Its sort of hard to find somewhere civilised that would be under permafrost, simply because its a bloody horrible place to live and most humans would probably nick off to somewhere warmer where they can practice the basics of civilisation, agriculture. Perrenland would be a good bet for lot of snow for sure, still, its full of Perrenlanders so its probably not much fun, I always had them picked as Tuetonic Germans myself, though I suppose Switzerland was pretty comparable for the same time period. Lands of the Ice and Snow Barb's up north would be about as close as you could find to 'civilisation' that exists in an area of permafrost.
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 28, 2003 9:50:16	Ice, Frost & Snow barbarians up in the north east are your best bet if you want snow and civilisation, if Viking types count as civilised that is ;)
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 28, 2003 9:58:56	Here's a great little GH weather generator that might help you figure out a location for your game. It's based on the Glossography information, IIRC and was made by someone who posts (or used to post) here. For my money, any locale further than 50 degrees north is going to be snowed in for at least six months of the year. You can't go much further than that though in the Flanaess. http://edulinux.edu2.evitech.fi/weatherforecaster/
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 29, 2003 1:58:47	Tenh! though you may need to reject its invasion or perhaps set your campaign prior to the Greyhawk Wars...
#7 zombiegleemax Oct 29, 2003 10:52:43	The north, always in Fantasty snow can be found by travelling north....
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 29, 2003 20:24:36	maybe most of the time, but if the continent of play is in the southern hemisphere (like ansalon on krynn), then south is where you would go. In this case, I'd suggest finding a mountainous area where you can put a lot of high valleys, then you'll have a place were it can snow most of the time.
#9 eric_anondson Oct 29, 2003 21:10:13	Thing is, Dorakaa is at the 45th parallel, for comparison in the real world Minneapolis is at the 45th. Tizoc's idea to use Tenh is about the best. The Theocracy of the Pale would be another good choice, after all, its capital is named Wintershiven. IMO, Pale has weather similar to Colorado. Tenh would be very similar, but as it is further north, chillier temps in winter months would be common (imagine Montana or Alberta). Depending how civilized your vision of Stonehold is, the cities scattered across it are as close to tundra as a "city" gets in Greyhawk. If you really want an abundance of mountains, Ratik might be the way to go if you think the Suel barbarians are too uncivilized. Eric Anondson
#10 myrpg Oct 30, 2003 23:43:16	Originally posted by Delglath Here's a great little GH weather generator that might help you figure out a location for your game. It's based on the Glossography information, IIRC and was made by someone who posts (or used to post) here. For my money, any locale further than 50 degrees north is going to be snowed in for at least six months of the year. You can't go much further than that though in the Flanaess. http://edulinux.edu2.evitech.fi/weatherforecaster/ Well, actually the generator is based on the information found in the Greyhawk boxed set from the 80's, with minor adjustments to the handling of latitude and the output to resemble D&D 3.0 weather format. How I know this? Because I wrote it. I am surprised that it is still online, as it has been unattended for almost two years. If someone wants to have it, I can share the source. Originally it was a standalone Java2 application (wehere GUI and engine are seperated), but I wrote a servlet to control the engine through a .php GUI script.
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 31, 2003 8:43:22	Dude! I tried to get you to get into contact with Gary from Canonfire to see if they'll host it but you never did! I'm almost positive that if you send an email to... err... too... hmm... try [email]greyhack@canonfire.com[/email] and ask if Issak will put the thing up on the greyhawkonline.com server space, that they will do it. It's a very cool little tool and very useful, IMO. It should not be left to fade away.
#12 chatdemon Nov 03, 2003 1:38:37	Well, Issak and I don't have the needed access to the site to install this, but I'll begin relentlessly pestering Gary till it gets done. I went and played with the thing a little bit and agree, it is very cool.
#13 myrpg Jan 08, 2004 2:21:25	Gary never contacted me, but do not succumb into oblivion. Here it is packaged as a standalone Java application. It requires only your computer to have Java2 JRE, and JAVA_HOME variable set. You can download the Weather Forecaster from here: here Simply unzip the .zip-file (e.g. to c:\) and read the README.txt file for further instructions. The package does not contain source or the web site files.
#14 zombiegleemax Jan 08, 2004 4:57:18	Originally posted by myrpg Gary never contacted me, but do not succumb into oblivion. Here it is packaged as a standalone Java application. Myrpg, I didn't realize you had the application available as a stand alone download. I'll bring this file to the attention of Issak, our downloads coordinator and see about getting it hosted on Canonfire!, if you're still interested, that is.. Let me know I was under the impression that the application was a server side thing that we would need to install on the site and serve from a webpage on CF!, thus my passing the buck off on Gary Holian. I'm not sure what issues he ran into that caused the deal to fall through, so to speak, so I won't try offering any speculative excuses. I do apologize for the delay though, and if you're still interested in having us host the package, Issak and I will get the work done ASAP, again, just give me the thumbs up and I'll get on it. Thanks again for sharing your work, it's a great little tool.
#15 zombiegleemax Jan 08, 2004 5:02:15	Back to the original topic Originally posted by Morphious High up in some of the mountain ranges might have snow I suppose. Do any of the mountain ranges get permanent snow? One place to consider is the Crystalmist Mountains, just west of Sterich. Despite the southerly location and relatively warm climates of the surrounding nations, this part of the range is home to a sizeable glacier (where the Frost Giant Jarl adventure took place, and where the Davish river gets its cool waters) The Cyrstalmists are a high enough range that it is easy to imagine such alpine winterland realms high within as the setting you seek. It's also a mere 2 or 3 day journey from the civilized realms of Sterich, Yeomanry, Keoland and (depending on the era of the setting you use) Geoff.