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#1 zombiegleemax Oct 29, 2003 15:54:24	Borys, Abalach-Re, and Tectuktitlay are undoubtably dead beyond all recall; after all, the most powerful being in the Athasian cosmology killed them, either directly or indirectly. Thus, it is safe to say that whatever spells they had laying in wait for such an event were disregarded by Rajaat and they, the dragon-kings in question, are no more. But what of Kalak, Sielba, and Andropinis? Andropinis is merely imprisoned, so could he not make a return from the Black, before his thousand years are up? I could easily see a Balican high templar making powerful deals with mighty defilers to rescue his master from that shadowy realm. And what of Kalak and Sielba? As we have seen with Dregoth, merely killing a dragon king does no good. Dregoth was bushwacked by 7 sorcerer-kings, and yet he came back with only a small problem of being undead. Surely this means that Kalak and Sielba are not out of the picture quite yet? Kalak was killed by his own arrogance and a band of mortals (Rikus and co.); and Sielba was slain by one other sorcerer-king (Hamanu). Is it possible that these three sorcerer-kings might one day return to plague Athas once more? --I plan on doing it, in any event NB
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 29, 2003 17:35:03	Sounds like your games will be cool. I left two of those you mentioned as dead. My rationale was that Dregoth probably knew it was coming. When a Sorcerer-Monarch does something (like moving to personally attack another one) it can usually be seen from a long way off. When 7 of them do it, it's a very monumental occasion. I think Dregoth prepared himself for his fellow Champions attacking him, and thus was able to achieve the state of undeath. Plus, I also got the impression that Dregoth was probably among the most powerful of them. Kalak, while he was as paraniod as the next dragon, wasn't prepared for his attackers - in fact, he was in the midst of casting the spells to make himself a full-out dragon, and was pretty preoccupied. Sielba, if I recall, was slain by Hamanu (been a long while since I read about it in anything), and was prretty much right next door. Hamanu has a unique position amongst the Champions and may have actually caught Sielba off-guard as well. Andropinis however is only merely trapped. I would venture to guess that if someone knew how, and had the power to do so, he/she could release Andropinis from his imprisonment. One has to wonder what long-term effects the Black might have on a Champion.
#3 heretic_apostate Oct 30, 2003 0:57:11	I thought that Sielba had been caught up by the Mists of Ravenloft? Or was that another sorceror-monarch? Edit: fixed tags
#4 lurking_shadow Oct 30, 2003 4:59:01	Actually, what the mists caught was the entire city of Kalidney, home of Kalid-Ma, alongside 2,000 of its inhabitants. The SK seems to have remained on Athas, his essence trapped within the five obsidian orbs he used for dragon metamorphosis. Kalid-Ma is a major candidate for ressurrection; the orbs are meant to be used to bring him back. As for Andropinis, releasing him from the Black would require besting the magics that keep him there... and that means besting the magical skills of Rajaat, the First Sorcerer. Not saying it can't be done, but freeing Andropinis would require a LOT of effort. (This could probably be used as plot for an entire "evil campaign".)
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 31, 2003 14:01:49	I actually did the whole resurection of Kalid-ma in my DS campaign. The pC's were contracted to find the five orbs and return them to Kaldinay. They were then transported to Ravenloft where the physical shell of Kalid-ma was being held in stasis by his high templar. The twist was that Kalid-ma has been aware of the world around him the whole time he has been trapped in the orbs. He has learned his lesson well and has organized his return to become a force for good on Athas. Of course the pc's don't know this. They don't even know who Kalid-ma is untill they have all the orbs and then it is to late. My player loved it. they were so mad when I said the campaign was over after they resurected Kalid -ma and freed him.
#6 lurking_shadow Oct 31, 2003 14:51:20	Hey, that must have been cool! I too have tried to trick my players into ressurrecting him, but the campaign didn't fare well and was over before they did anything significant. (Proving to GURPS players that D20 is cool by DMing a Dark Sun campaign is a BAD idea.) Anyway, they were going to collect the orbs for an ambitious psion/defiler that craved the power of a Sorcerer King and thought these artifacts were a shortcut. Some old cohorts of Kalid-Ma told him about the orbs' power, but never mentioned the "being taken over by the SK's mind" part. Having the orbs taken to Ravenloft to be used on Kalid-ma's dormant body was an original twist, Bigun. Nice.
#7 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 31, 2003 22:20:29	Ahh yes, Kalid-Ma. I had run a Ravenloft campaign where he was the Darklord of Kalidnay, rather than his High Templar. The group didn't think it was very funny when I had them visit Kalidnay, and there was a dragon in charge. I never could get that group to play Dark Sun after that, not when they found out there was a handful of other dragons (in various stages) on that world, magic was absolutely hated, and there were no gods.
#8 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 10:48:24	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm Ahh yes, Kalid-Ma. I had run a Ravenloft campaign where he was the Darklord of Kalidnay, rather than his High Templar. The group didn't think it was very funny when I had them visit Kalidnay, and there was a dragon in charge. I never could get that group to play Dark Sun after that, not when they found out there was a handful of other dragons (in various stages) on that world, magic was absolutely hated, and there were no gods. Picky bastards, don't know what's good... ;)
#9 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 11:40:53	i'm not sure about borys - check that out: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 14:52:38	Originally posted by SandChicken i'm not sure about borys - check that out: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm Unfortunately for that link, it depends on conviently ignoring the undeniable fact that Rajaat invented all arcane magic, and could manipulate it at whim (remember, Rajaat wasn't remotely worried by Sadira's new-found sun magic); this says to me that Rajaat coulde bypass any such contingencies, and make Borys stay dead. If you use such a cheap cop-out for the return of Borys, then you'd have to do it for all the sorcerer-kings, as each one was a Champion of Rajaat, and likely had the same gem-stone set-up. --if so, what's the point of fighting the sorcerer-kings; they'd be unkillable NB
#11 zombiegleemax Nov 05, 2003 10:44:06	Kalak was killed by an ARTIFACT of the halflings. Safe to say he's gone. But which sorceror-queen was it that Sadira killed? I'm trying to recall...
#12 zombiegleemax Nov 05, 2003 11:24:15	Originally posted by Cole Deschain Kalak was killed by an ARTIFACT of the halflings. Safe to say he's gone. But which sorceror-queen was it that Sadira killed? I'm trying to recall... Abalach-Re, sorcerer-queen of Raam.
#13 zombiegleemax Nov 05, 2003 13:39:28	Ah yes, thankee...
#14 flip Nov 05, 2003 15:21:59	Originally posted by Cole Deschain But which sorceror-queen was it that Sadira killed? I'm trying to recall... Abalache-Re. By using a shard of an artifact crafted by Rajaat ... IIRC, she actually got taken by the same goop that took Borys.
#15 zombiegleemax Nov 05, 2003 15:58:06	Originally posted by flip Abalache-Re. By using a shard of an artifact crafted by Rajaat ... IIRC, she actually got taken by the same goop that took Borys. That "goop," as you call it, is the essence of Rajaat. Thus, it was not some paltry stab in the back that killed the Vizier of Raam; it was the First Sorcerer, reaching out from his sphere-prison... --the same goes for Borys NB