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The FoxGrove Twins

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 30, 2003 14:42:04 Are the two FoxGrove twins magic users? It does not say in the 3e RL book. I hate all these holes they(S&S) leave in the setting.

~The Dark 1~
#2
zombiegleemax
Oct 30, 2003 16:26:30
Originally posted by Pangaea
Are the two FoxGrove twins magic users? It does not say in the 3e RL book. I hate all these holes they(S&S) leave in the setting.

~The Dark 1~

Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet.

Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs).
#3
zombiegleemax
Oct 30, 2003 16:56:32
Originally posted by Brandi
Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet.

Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs).

Thanks....and there is a hole. The one in consumers pockets after buying dozens of different add-ons when they could have placed much of the needed info. in ONE BOOK!

2e boxed sets did this very nicely might I add.

~The Dark 1~
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 31, 2003 4:48:46
Originally posted by Pangaea
Thanks....and there is a hole. The one in consumers pockets after buying dozens of different add-ons when they could have placed much of the needed info. in ONE BOOK!

So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into *one* single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long.

Stu
#5
zombiegleemax
Oct 31, 2003 12:48:32 Heck, even HERO System couldn't fit everything into one book-- their core book is about 380 pages thick and that's just the ruleset. The Champions setting stuff is up to half-a-dozen books with more on the way...
#6
platinumwarlock
Nov 01, 2003 2:52:55
Originally posted by Kargatane
So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into *one* single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long.

Stu

That would have been one sweet tome, though. :D
#7
zombiegleemax
Nov 01, 2003 7:18:45 Maybe a book like that could still be made. The publishers have access to size 0.005 font, right?

You want the basic information, its in the Ravenloft Player's Handbook 3.5 (or Campagin setting book for 3e). You want the exact stats, buy the add on books. If you don't want to pay for the books, use your imagination. No one is stopping you from writing your own stats for free.
#8
The_Jester
Nov 01, 2003 13:00:52 They decided not to incude any NPC stats in the Campain Setting this time. Sure they did in the original two boxed Campain Settings, but those could hold a lot more information. Benifits of more paper due to softcovers.

But you may notice that they didn't include any NPC stats in the Domains of Dread 2E Campain Setting (other than Dark Lords). Not VanRichten, not the twins, nothing.
#9
rotipher
Nov 01, 2003 15:32:02 Actually, not having access to "official" game-stats for key NPCs can have its up side, too. It makes it easier to adapt adventures for the level of play you and your players happen to be at right now. If your PCs are all high-level, why not make the Foxgrove sisters higher than 5th level? Or downgrade the villains, so a low-level party at least stands a chance of prevailing?
#10
zombiegleemax
Nov 01, 2003 16:14:13 On the financial/marketing side I think Wizards crunched arcane numbers and realized that the boxed sets, though looking cool didn't sell very well. Hence we now get books.

-Eric Gorman
#11
andrew_cermak
Nov 01, 2003 17:50:20
Originally posted by Brandi
Champions setting stuff is up to half-a-dozen books with more on the way...

And an excellent line it's been so far, says the Kargatane's resident HERO fanboy.

Oh, and as far as having the stats for the Weathermay-Foxgroves in the Campaign Setting book...as much as we like the gals, if we'd had more space there's reams of other stuff we'd have chosen to put in first.
#12
zombiegleemax
Nov 02, 2003 0:36:52
Originally posted by Andrew Cermak
And an excellent line it's been so far, says the Kargatane's resident HERO fanboy.

Yeah, I thought I spotted you over on the HERO boards...

I really like the myriad new power examples in the HERO core book and the UNTIL Superpower Database; the myriad ways one can make powers in HERO can be one of the most bewildering things to a new player...

Going back sort of to the topic, sort of: I think boxed sets fell out of favor when too many were seen as either having more air than material or gamers found that the boxes just didn't hold up as well as a well-bound book when being hauled here and there. OTOH, finding goodies like poster maps or the Tarokka was pretty cool...
#13
platinumwarlock
Nov 02, 2003 0:48:06 Surprisingly, the boxed sets I had held up quite well. I sold Cole Deschain (from the Karg boards) my copies of Bleak House and The Nightmare Lands, and there was very little wear or tear on either.

I'm kind of hoping that the trends come back to that, but seeing as many of the gaming manufacturers are shying away from making adventures, I don't see it happening any time soon.

Also, it's good to see you both--Andrew and Brandi--over here. Familiar faces are always nice surprises.
#14
andrew_cermak
Nov 02, 2003 1:30:27
Originally posted by Brandi
Yeah, I thought I spotted you over on the HERO boards...

I delurked there only recently. And since my biggest contribution there so far is on a thread entitled 'Batman v. Captain America - Who Wins?,' I suggest that those who are desperate for more of my unique brand of wit and wisdom stay far, far away.
#15
zombiegleemax
Nov 02, 2003 1:32:57
Originally posted by Platinumwarlock
I sold Cole Deschain (from the Karg boards) my copies of Bleak House and The Nightmare Lands, and there was very little wear or tear on either.

And they've proven MORE than useful.
#16
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 14:30:47 Even better...

I simply had the book transferred to me online and printed out the stats I needed for the FOXGROVE TWINS. I am actually glad I did not go buy the book since I do not see it as being worth the money. There were not too many things in there that caught my attention.

~The Dark 1~
#17
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 14:32:17
Originally posted by Brandi
Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet.

Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs).

The expanded equipment list is ok but nothing to jump up and down for. I received the book online today....It did not amaze me at all.

~The Dark 1~
#18
john_w._mangrum
Nov 03, 2003 15:35:09 Edit: Never mind. I'll just report you.
#19
bob_the_efreet
Nov 03, 2003 16:08:08
Originally posted by Kargatane
So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into *one* single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long.

Stu

Boccob's Blessed Gaming Book?
Oh, and Andrew.. I think HERO is pretty good, too. Have you tried running Ravenloft in the system yet? I've thought about it, but haven't scraped together the right players to do it with yet.
#20
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 16:30:50
Originally posted by John W. Mangrum
Edit: Never mind. I'll just report you.

LoL...whatever.
#21
john_w._mangrum
Nov 03, 2003 16:35:37
Originally posted by Pangaea
LoL...whatever.

Advice for the future: Telling an author that you've stolen his book = stupid.
#22
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 16:44:47
Originally posted by John W. Mangrum
Advice for the future: Telling an author that you've stolen his book = stupid.

1. I never directed the statement at you(Scroll up). I never even knew who the author was(Nor did I care for the book nor the name of the author which is why I did not copy the entire book.) as I only copied the stats of the twins from it. The rest did not interest me in the least.

2. The book was online FREE who wouldn't look at it? I am sure I was not the only one.

3. Do what you feel you have to do John,....but if I were you I would be trying to get to the site where it is located and make sure that noone else sees it John. Even though I was NOT interested in the entirety of its contents(I pretty much read it once then dumped the book.) I can assure you that there will be others that are interested.

~The Dark 1~
#23
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 17:50:20 So ethics are a foreign concept to you? Nice.
#24
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 18:59:34
Originally posted by Pangaea
[b]

2. The book was online FREE who wouldn't look at it? I am sure I was not the only one.

If everyone suddenly was allowed to kill babies legally and for free, would you as well? Illegal is illegal, and just because "everyone else" is doing it, or could do it potentially, doesn't make it any less illegal.
#25
b4real
Nov 03, 2003 19:22:10
Originally posted by Antyrias the Redeemed
If everyone suddenly was allowed to kill babies legally and for free, would you as well? Illegal is illegal, and just because "everyone else" is doing it, or could do it potentially, doesn't make it any less illegal.

The guy was wrong...that is a given. But somehow I do not think it will be the end of the world.
#26
ORC_Paradox
Nov 03, 2003 20:14:32 Promoting illegal activitiy (including "hey, just download it free") is against the Code of Conduct here.

As a fan, I certainly would hope other so called fans wouldn't stoop to stealing, as that would only lead to authors and companies deciding it's not worth the aggravation. Then none of us will get new material. That's my two cents anyway.

And now we're way off topic.

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Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 30, 2003 14:42:04	Are the two FoxGrove twins magic users? It does not say in the 3e RL book. I hate all these holes they(S&S) leave in the setting. ~The Dark 1~
#2 zombiegleemax Oct 30, 2003 16:26:30	Originally posted by Pangaea Are the two FoxGrove twins magic users? It does not say in the 3e RL book. I hate all these holes they(S&S) leave in the setting. ~The Dark 1~ Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet. Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs).
#3 zombiegleemax Oct 30, 2003 16:56:32	Originally posted by Brandi Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet. Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs). Thanks....and there is a hole. The one in consumers pockets after buying dozens of different add-ons when they could have placed much of the needed info. in ONE BOOK! 2e boxed sets did this very nicely might I add. ~The Dark 1~
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 31, 2003 4:48:46	Originally posted by Pangaea *Thanks....and there is a hole. The one in consumers pockets after buying dozens of different add-ons when they could have placed much of the needed info. in ONE BOOK!* So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into one single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long. Stu
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 31, 2003 12:48:32	Heck, even HERO System couldn't fit everything into one book-- their core book is about 380 pages thick and that's just the ruleset. The Champions setting stuff is up to half-a-dozen books with more on the way...
#6 platinumwarlock Nov 01, 2003 2:52:55	Originally posted by Kargatane So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into one single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long. Stu That would have been one sweet tome, though. :D
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 01, 2003 7:18:45	Maybe a book like that could still be made. The publishers have access to size 0.005 font, right? You want the basic information, its in the Ravenloft Player's Handbook 3.5 (or Campagin setting book for 3e). You want the exact stats, buy the add on books. If you don't want to pay for the books, use your imagination. No one is stopping you from writing your own stats for free.
#8 The_Jester Nov 01, 2003 13:00:52	They decided not to incude any NPC stats in the Campain Setting this time. Sure they did in the original two boxed Campain Settings, but those could hold a lot more information. Benifits of more paper due to softcovers. But you may notice that they didn't include any NPC stats in the Domains of Dread 2E Campain Setting (other than Dark Lords). Not VanRichten, not the twins, nothing.
#9 rotipher Nov 01, 2003 15:32:02	Actually, not having access to "official" game-stats for key NPCs can have its up side, too. It makes it easier to adapt adventures for the level of play you and your players happen to be at right now. If your PCs are all high-level, why not make the Foxgrove sisters higher than 5th level? Or downgrade the villains, so a low-level party at least stands a chance of prevailing?
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 01, 2003 16:14:13	On the financial/marketing side I think Wizards crunched arcane numbers and realized that the boxed sets, though looking cool didn't sell very well. Hence we now get books. -Eric Gorman
#11 andrew_cermak Nov 01, 2003 17:50:20	Originally posted by Brandi Champions setting stuff is up to half-a-dozen books with more on the way... And an excellent line it's been so far, says the Kargatane's resident HERO fanboy. Oh, and as far as having the stats for the Weathermay-Foxgroves in the Campaign Setting book...as much as we like the gals, if we'd had more space there's reams of other stuff we'd have chosen to put in first.
#12 zombiegleemax Nov 02, 2003 0:36:52	Originally posted by Andrew Cermak And an excellent line it's been so far, says the Kargatane's resident HERO fanboy. Yeah, I thought I spotted you over on the HERO boards... I really like the myriad new power examples in the HERO core book and the UNTIL Superpower Database; the myriad ways one can make powers in HERO can be one of the most bewildering things to a new player... Going back sort of to the topic, sort of: I think boxed sets fell out of favor when too many were seen as either having more air than material or gamers found that the boxes just didn't hold up as well as a well-bound book when being hauled here and there. OTOH, finding goodies like poster maps or the Tarokka was pretty cool...
#13 platinumwarlock Nov 02, 2003 0:48:06	Surprisingly, the boxed sets I had held up quite well. I sold Cole Deschain (from the Karg boards) my copies of Bleak House and The Nightmare Lands, and there was very little wear or tear on either. I'm kind of hoping that the trends come back to that, but seeing as many of the gaming manufacturers are shying away from making adventures, I don't see it happening any time soon. Also, it's good to see you both--Andrew and Brandi--over here. Familiar faces are always nice surprises.
#14 andrew_cermak Nov 02, 2003 1:30:27	Originally posted by Brandi Yeah, I thought I spotted you over on the HERO boards... I delurked there only recently. And since my biggest contribution there so far is on a thread entitled 'Batman v. Captain America - Who Wins?,' I suggest that those who are desperate for more of my unique brand of wit and wisdom stay far, far away.
#15 zombiegleemax Nov 02, 2003 1:32:57	Originally posted by Platinumwarlock I sold Cole Deschain (from the Karg boards) my copies of Bleak House and The Nightmare Lands, and there was very little wear or tear on either. And they've proven MORE than useful.
#16 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 14:30:47	Even better... I simply had the book transferred to me online and printed out the stats I needed for the FOXGROVE TWINS. I am actually glad I did not go buy the book since I do not see it as being worth the money. There were not too many things in there that caught my attention. ~The Dark 1~
#17 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 14:32:17	Originally posted by Brandi Oh, there's no hole-- you just haven't bought the right books yet. Van Richten's Arsenal gives writeups for the twins: Genny's Exp3/Wiz2 and Laurie's Exp2/Ftr3. It is also a book worth getting for several reasons (expanded and interesting equipment list, some of the best Ravenloft PrCs). The expanded equipment list is ok but nothing to jump up and down for. I received the book online today....It did not amaze me at all. ~The Dark 1~
#18 john_w._mangrum Nov 03, 2003 15:35:09	Edit: Never mind. I'll just report you.
#19 bob_the_efreet Nov 03, 2003 16:08:08	Originally posted by Kargatane So what you're saying is that they should have compiled the 1000+ pages of information published to date into one single book, rather than having spread them out?? Interesting idea, but I don't think the binding would last long. Stu Boccob's Blessed Gaming Book? Oh, and Andrew.. I think HERO is pretty good, too. Have you tried running Ravenloft in the system yet? I've thought about it, but haven't scraped together the right players to do it with yet.
#20 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 16:30:50	Originally posted by John W. Mangrum Edit: Never mind. I'll just report you. LoL...whatever.
#21 john_w._mangrum Nov 03, 2003 16:35:37	Originally posted by Pangaea LoL...whatever. Advice for the future: Telling an author that you've stolen his book = stupid.
#22 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 16:44:47	Originally posted by John W. Mangrum Advice for the future: Telling an author that you've stolen his book = stupid. 1. I never directed the statement at you(Scroll up). I never even knew who the author was(Nor did I care for the book nor the name of the author which is why I did not copy the entire book.) as I only copied the stats of the twins from it. The rest did not interest me in the least. 2. The book was online FREE who wouldn't look at it? I am sure I was not the only one. 3. Do what you feel you have to do John,....but if I were you I would be trying to get to the site where it is located and make sure that noone else sees it John. Even though I was NOT interested in the entirety of its contents(I pretty much read it once then dumped the book.) I can assure you that there will be others that are interested. ~The Dark 1~
#23 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 17:50:20	So ethics are a foreign concept to you? Nice.
#24 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 18:59:34	Originally posted by Pangaea [b] 2. The book was online FREE who wouldn't look at it? I am sure I was not the only one. If everyone suddenly was allowed to kill babies legally and for free, would you as well? Illegal is illegal, and just because "everyone else" is doing it, or could do it potentially, doesn't make it any less illegal.
#25 b4real Nov 03, 2003 19:22:10	Originally posted by Antyrias the Redeemed If everyone suddenly was allowed to kill babies legally and for free, would you as well? Illegal is illegal, and just because "everyone else" is doing it, or could do it potentially, doesn't make it any less illegal. The guy was wrong...that is a given. But somehow I do not think it will be the end of the world.
#26 ORC_Paradox Nov 03, 2003 20:14:32	Promoting illegal activitiy (including "hey, just download it free") is against the Code of Conduct here. As a fan, I certainly would hope other so called fans wouldn't stoop to stealing, as that would only lead to authors and companies deciding it's not worth the aggravation. Then none of us will get new material. That's my two cents anyway. And now we're way off topic. Click