Has anywone read anything concerning the troll race( what they look like? Their way of life ??(before they were whipe out of course) Where they use to live ( altough I suspect they made a last stand at Troll Grave Chasm where I think there main city stood) I dont recal ever reading anything about Trolls!
Ho! And concerning Troll Grave Chasm; You will notice inside the said chasm there's a yellow dot ( on the map; 2nd box set) A yellow dot = site of interest but I have not found anything related to it. Can you help me there!! Jon??
Again please stick to the thread bla bla bla...
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
I have yet to read it, but from what I have heard, the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Grave Circumstances" involves tracking an elf defiler to Troll Grave Chasm - and an encounter with the last athasian troll. This is merely my guessing, but that yellow dot could mark the lair of the last troll.
Ok thanks But tell me. If an adventure appears in a Dungeon/dragon mag. does it considered automaticly official like in this case. Will the *last Troll* be an official one(appearance habit way of living etc.?) of the DS setting ( if its a DS adventure of course.)
It's a patchwork beastie, with a few extra limbs, a couple extra mouths...
You get the idea.
It's baaaaaaaad mojo.
--God that novel sucked NB
All in all, a far more interesting troll than what D&D can give us.
As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...
Originally posted by Pennarin
As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...
Heathen.
--;) NB
Originally posted by Pennarin
I read that issue of Dungeon, great adventure, great artwork, incredible front piece, best troll ever, just not DS troll material. Then I later read RaFoaDK and understood why: the standard D&D troll is a monster while Abbey's is a proud humanoid, but mostly proud looking humanoid. Grey skinned, tight muscles, seven foot tall, stone worshiping, non-violent. And they are real characters too: turned violent by the persecution of Myron's armies, becoming warriors that no humans could ever have hoped to have bested. It took a champion to succeed.
All in all, a far more interesting troll than what D&D can give us.
As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...
It seems to me your describing a warcraft (trade mark) Troll .
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
If you consider the incredibly poor novel Rise and Fall of a Dragon King canonical (which I don't, considering that Lynne Abbey butchers the Dark Sun history in that awful, mind-numbing book), Athasian trolls are tall, dark-skinned miners that worshipped stone and earth.
--God that novel sucked NB
Oh! ok thanks NB
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
It seems to me your describing a warcraft (trade mark) Troll .
Nothin' wrong with that (although the WC trolls were always fairly warlike, if I recall correctly)- I personally prefer the way Warcraft fleshed out some of the traditionally "monster" races...
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
I have yet to read it, but from what I have heard, the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Grave Circumstances" involves tracking an elf defiler to Troll Grave Chasm - and an encounter with the last athasian troll. This is merely my guessing, but that yellow dot could mark the lair of the last troll.
How can there still be adventures in official D&D mag if WotC has put the setting aside??
...so long as they are not like the ones depicted in that God-awful novel.
--must rinse eyes with soap, after merely thinking about RaFoaDK NB
It wasen't epic, for once. And in a world devoid of an afterlife, Abbey managed pretty well to give Hamanu a final gift (after having been told his city was safe, of course): some rest and peace.
God, I'm making myself cry...
...too much...tugging at internet line/
I wouldn't mind writing up what a Troll was like back in the Green Age and getting it official so we can then tweak it from there and have that be the current version of the troll and totally rewrite Grave Circumstances, or just redefine the Troll Grave Chasm area.
Originally posted by Gr8Scott
Safe to say there are definetely NO MORE trolls on Athas Right?
Depends on how you want to define that.
Not counting the patchwork Troll in "Grave Circumstances", there is at least one undead Troll Kaisharga in the Deadlands.
Originally posted by Grummore
Grave circumstances ?? What's that? In Dragon mag ?
Dungeon.
In a swamp, there's a troll(s). One troll, but it grabbed body parts from its dying companions to fuse onto itself.
So, it has a certain number of heads, arms, and legs. (Sold my Dungeon collection, dang it...)
Things I changed:
Sunlight does not turn them to stone (duh).
Tougher AC.
Psionic abilities (duh).
Other than that, they are surprisingly similar to Lynn's description.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
I actually had a similar adventure that I ran. I used the Fensir (planescape trolls from Ysgard). I had to switch a few things around to make them mesh more with Abbey's version (which I like, by the way, flames or no - may not be the most accurate DS book ever, but COME ON: WAAAAAAAAYYYY better than than steaming pile of whale vomit known as Tribe of One).
Blasphemy, I liked Tribe of One despite the many contradictions.
Things I changed:
Sunlight does not turn them to stone (duh).
Tougher AC.
Psionic abilities (duh).
Other than that, they are surprisingly similar to Lynn's description.
Hmm, the PL version sounds more and more like Tolkien's version, and I was imagining the same thing for Athas, except that sunlight doesn't turn them to stone, they are smarter, and have psionics of course.
Needless to say, I will have to take a look at the Fensir one of these days.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Wiz 'O the Coast actually has 3e stats for these guys in the new Fiend Folio. Oh, while on the topic, the Draconomicon has the Athasian Drakes, but they are not listed as such: just plain drakes.
Hmmm, thanks.
Will take a look at the Draconomicon while at work and Fiend Folio when I get home.
Originally posted by GFORCE99
OT: as long as you ignore the ending of RaFoaDK then its a pretty good novel.
I, personally, agree. If fact I wished more novels were done that dealt with the origins of the Sorcerer-Kings. Borys and Abalach-Re being the one's I'm most curious about.
Sielba's may require a parental warning though- :D
Oh, while on the topic, the Draconomicon has the Athasian Drakes, but they are not listed as such: just plain drakes.
They're kinda puny compared to athasian elemental drakes, but would make good opponents for lower-level groups as lesser relatives of the regular athasian drakes, perhaps...
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Originally posted by Heretic Apostate
Dungeon.
In a swamp, there's a troll(s). One troll, but it grabbed body parts from its dying companions to fuse onto itself.
So, it has a certain number of heads, arms, and legs. (Sold my Dungeon collection, dang it...)
I have a copy if anyone wants it
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Originally posted by Grummore
Grave circumstances ?? What's that? In Dragon mag ?
Sebastien, I have it saved if you want a copy
please:D
Even virus! I am virtually indestructible (Am a Mac user) 
Originally posted by Grummore
Sure, throw everything you wish in my mailbox
Ho! boy! no comment
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
Ho! boy! no comment
Macs are better than PCs by far, and I am a PC user and know this. ;)
Anyhow, just as an FYI, the adventure Grave Circumstances was put out to coincide with and promote the second DS box set release.
Scott
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Dont forget to download more about your work in the silly frog mailbox! :D
Originally posted by Grummore
I recieved the package, thanks!
Dont forget to download more about your work in the silly frog mailbox! :D
Sebastien, I'm still trying to finish my work, I also am going to set up my own web site. I want all to utilize my work
