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#1 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 10:16:52	How many chapters are there going to be, and what is in them? I am thoroughly enjoying the ones released so far. Keep up the good work.
#2 taotad Nov 04, 2003 6:07:37	A Table of Content would indeed spice up my existence.
#3 zombiegleemax Nov 04, 2003 7:01:07	my guess: chapter 1) introduction chapter 2) races chapter 3) factions chapter 4) skills & feats chapter 5) presitige classes chapter 6) Sigil then several books detailing the outlands, the outer planes, the inner planes and the transitive planes. and of course something on different power groups on the planes Mind you, it's just a guess.
#4 zombiegleemax Nov 04, 2003 7:03:47	btw chapter 3 has just been uploaded.
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 06, 2003 7:53:26	I have to say I am a bit worried for the future of official planescape..some of shemeska`s comments drive me to think that the ps3e crew will avoid many things, and contradict official sources and old ad&d stuff alot. Granted, many people don`t like the MoP, Die,Vecna, Die and Faction Wars, let alone the changes to the cosmology with the Shadow plane, quasi-planes dropped, and FR out of the planar loop. But one of the main reasons I liked planesacape was this. The changes. The ability to cover all, yet have openings for changes. To try to accomodate all the worlds of TSR, and add all the different deities with their realms and power on the planes. Sigil was not a priority for me, though I have grown to appreciate it and its factions a lot more over the years. So my worry is that the new setting will be too rigid, very set in its ways, with little room for change. To me, the best planescape adventures were the ones that could actually change things on big scale, like Call of the Wild, Faction Wars and (yes) Die, Vecna, Die. Planescape should not be depending on the ideas of a very few, though extremely creative and talented, people, like Vallese, Cook, McComb, Cordell. It should bend to accomodate many more, and most takes should be readily accepted(at least far more than now)
#6 taotad Nov 06, 2003 10:33:24	Hear, hear!
#7 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 06, 2003 12:24:45	Well, Die Vecna Die was never an actual Planescape adventure, it was Greyhawk IIRC, just part of it happened in Sigil. And if you think we're going to just keep the status quo and avoid making any changes at all, well *knowing chuckle* Do not worry. And please please please don't take my word on anything here as absolute truth. I'm only one of the people working on PS3e, and anything I do for the project is subject to change and editing. If something I write isn't liked by a number of other folks then it'll likely get debated and perhaps altered. I'm in no way the project head, and heck nothing I've actually written has been released yet. So take my statements with a grain of salt folks. I may have strong opinions on some aspects of the setting, but I don't have any more strong a say in things than the other writers do. The next chapter, pre-editing, is fully my work. It's the Sigil guide. There's old stuff, there's new stuff, there's plot hooks, and theres updates of people and politics galore. I don't have a clue what in there may be changed before its released. But in no way is the setting static. :D Again, trust me on this. And the things I don't like and have ranted about on many an occasion, are unliked precisely because they contradict prior material and without good reason or explanation. Ie. Pages of Pain, The Bloodwar Trilogy, and to a lesser extent Die Vecna Die (which is getting used in some manner at present).
#8 zombiegleemax Nov 06, 2003 12:29:16	Delighted to hear this, shemeshka. Looking forward to your take on Sigil...seems that, at least, can be a very rewarding read, even coming from one I seem to disagree a lot with on a range of other planar matters.
#9 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 06, 2003 12:35:00	*nodding* Feedback from anyone, on anything released on planewalker is a good thing, be it good or bad.
#10 bob_the_efreet Nov 06, 2003 15:11:13	Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder The next chapter, pre-editing, is fully my work. It's the Sigil guide. Score! Good 'loth
#11 primemover003 Nov 06, 2003 16:51:26	Actually Shemeska I'm extremely impressed with your knowledge of the planes. For someone who claims to have only started playing D&D with the advent of 3E, you've digested alot in three short years. I've run PS campaigns since I got my greedy little fingers on the original boxed set in '93. Yet here and there you surprise me with tiny details I nearly forgot (Dandy Will's name for example when I was talking about the City at the Center on the FR boards). I can't wait to read the King of the Crosstrade's take on the Cage after the events of the Tempest of Doors and the Lady's ban. It'll be interesting to see what's in store for my PC's when I revamp my High level (15th) campaign. Many of them had actually left Sigil for Xaos, Bytopia, and Ironridge. Only two of the five stayed in town, a Drow Indep fence (Sor/Shd) in the Gatehouse Night Market and an Aasimar paladin, formerly of the Believers who may just join the Sons of Mercy. The others are a Fated Tiefling Fighter, A dwarven Rager (brotherhood of glory), and an Aasimar Xaositect Wild Mage.
#12 sildatorak Nov 06, 2003 19:38:17	Hey Shemeska, is the Sigil chapter mainly in character or OOC? or is it a delightful blend of both?
#13 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 06, 2003 22:10:21	It's written IC, attempted in similar style as The Factols Manifesto. And yes, its supposedly written by 'The Editor' ... *snicker* I love irony Granted, things may change between now and when its released, but so far I havn't gotten any indication of major changes to what I wrote. I'm certain I'll be asked to add more material, and trim other sections, but nobody has expressed concerns over anything yet. I figure when you all get to read it I'll have a number of suggestions etc from other folks.
#14 moogle001 Nov 07, 2003 0:26:10	Originally posted by Surcus I have to say I am a bit worried for the future of official planescape..some of shemeska`s comments drive me to think that the ps3e crew will avoid many things, and contradict official sources and old ad&d stuff alot. Granted, many people don`t like the MoP, Die,Vecna, Die and Faction Wars, let alone the changes to the cosmology with the Shadow plane, quasi-planes dropped, and FR out of the planar loop. Worry not, all will be well. Though DVD and FW have received mixed reviews, we are considering both of them canon. While DVD will be avoided as much as possible, with the supposed spoilers it offered mere prime screed, FW occurred as detailed and we will be doing our best to make sure the factions are not forgotten in 3E. The 70 page supplement and 100+ feats is a start ; ) So my worry is that the new setting will be too rigid, very set in its ways, with little room for change. To me, the best planescape adventures were the ones that could actually change things on big scale, like Call of the Wild, Faction Wars and (yes) Die, Vecna, Die. Planescape should not be depending on the ideas of a very few, though extremely creative and talented, people, like Vallese, Cook, McComb, Cordell. It should bend to accomodate many more, and most takes should be readily accepted(at least far more than now) IMO, the cosmology will do both actually. While the cosmology will resemble 2E, and in fact be more firm in how things interact to some degree, it will also have some features that enable it to change and conform to every other setting. But that's not for here or now.
#15 zombiegleemax Nov 07, 2003 7:47:19	OK, over to the real reason I started this thread: After doing a rather extensive research of products around the D&D/d20 market, including but not limited to: FF,SS, MM, MM2, MoF, MoP, ELH,BoED + NGs ToH and Dragon Magazines and even more sources I am unable to name at present, as far as I have gathered, these are the monsters not officially updated to 3e from Planescape(sorry for poor editing): Eladrin: -Noviere Chaotic Good, Arborea(Ossa) -Shiere? Chaotic Good, Arborea Air Sentinel Twin Paradises Asrai * Upper Planes (Balaena River Oceanus) Ratatosk * Arborea, Yggdrasil Buraq * Elysium Delphon * River Oceanus Ethyk * Twin Paradises Ni`iath * Twin Paradises Zoveri Seven Heavens(Lunia) Per Upper Planes Demon Princes/Gods Abyss (-Fraz-Urb`luu) (-Baphomet?) (-Koostchtchie?) Simpathetic Vortex Denzelian Elemental Plane of Earth Warden Beast * Beastlands Mortai Beastlands Agathion? Upper Planes Demons: -Molydeus Chaotic Evil, Abyss Yugoloth -Baernaloth Neutral Evil, Gehenna Dabus Sigil Nic`Epona Outlands Spirit of the Air Rust Dragons Acheron Parai Nirvana Moigno Nirvana Gear Spirit Nirvana Slaad Lord(Ssendam/Ygorl) Limbo Elemental Princes of Evil/Good Elemental Planes Rilmani -Abiorach Neutral, Outlands -Argenach Neutral, Outlands -Plumach Neutral, Outlands Demons: -Bulezau Chaotic Evil, Abyss Outer Planes: Aeserpent Beastlands Busena Arcadia Bzastra Chaos Imp * Limbo Chososion Darklight Demarax Outlands(lawful planes?) Devete Dharum suhn Elemental Earth Dhour Astral/Ethereal Diakk * Gray Waste Eater of Knowledge Outlands Entrope Inner Planes Facet Inner Planes Gautiere * Carceri Ghostlight Klyndes Leomarh Outlands Linqua * Gehenna Mediator Menglis Murska * Pandemonium Nathri Observer? Acheron, Mechanus,Outlands Quill Reave Ruvkova Shad Shadowdrake Sislan Spellhaunt Spider, hook Acheron, Nine Hells,Gehenna Suisseen Translator Tsnng Inner Plane Tso Outlands,NineHells,Mechanus,Acheron Ungulosin Wastrel Wavefire Wraithworm Ethereal: Apparition Dharculus Ebon Tiger Magran Meme Memedi(gendruwo) Phirblas Plasm Rabbiun Terithran Vision Astral: Astral Searcher Berbalang Garmorm Fundamental Will these be converted by the PS3e team?
#16 zombiegleemax Nov 07, 2003 10:59:00	Shad and Nathri have both been updated as PC races in the PS3e. I seem to remember hearing that Rilmani have been converted, too, but I don't recall what book they were converted in. But shoot, if planewalker.com people need someone to convert whatever needs to be converted, I'd be up for it. Converting from 2e to 3e really is extremely easy, despite what a lot of Clueless claim. I'd just have to go get my hands on some 2e monsters because, alas, I never did get to buy the monster compendium books from PS2e. *eyes svgames curiously*
#17 zombiegleemax Nov 09, 2003 18:57:55	Isn't the Reave on the base monster manual? Anyway, I'm missing: aasimon: agathinon, light, monadic deva, movanic deva animal lord archomental asuras baatezu: nupperibo eladrin: coure, noviere, shiere, tulani fundamental gehrelets grues guardinals:equinal, ursinal hordling larva mortai rilmani tanar'ri: alkilith, alu-fiend, bulezau, cambion, maurezhi, molydeus, nabassu, wastrilith yugoloth: dergholoth, hydroloth, piscoloth I haven't seen the Book of Exalted Deeds yet, but I know many are on that one... if I missed others (oh, i missed the Fiend Folio, too) please tell me.
#18 sildatorak Nov 09, 2003 20:03:42	I believe the rilmani were in the incredibly inappropriately named fiend folio.
#19 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 0:21:29	Rilmani are in the Fiend Folio and I have to agree with Rhys and Shemeska and Incenjucar and whoever else said it...The Rilmani in Fiend Folio look absolutely ridiculous.
#20 bob_the_efreet Nov 10, 2003 5:18:38	Only three Rilmani were detailed and badly illustrated in the Fiend Folio. Cuprilach, Ferrumach, and one other one I can't recall at the moment.
#21 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 6:13:03	Aurumach. Also, the Hydroloth and Piscoloth were in the Fiend Folio. As were the Geherleths. Most of the Celestials you mentioned including all of the Gaurdinals and Eladrins and more than a few of the Aasimon were in the book of Exalted deeds. So was the Asura.
#22 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 9:30:32	aasimon: agathinon, light, monadic deva, movanic deva agathinon is in my list, the devas is in FF animal lord: ToH archomental: In my list, as elemental princes asuras: in BoED baatezu: nupperibo: ToH eladrin: coure, noviere, shiere, tulani: coure and tulani are in BoED gehrelets:FF guardinals:equinal, ursinal: BoED larva: This is converted..forgot where. rilmani: Three rilmani remain unconverted tanar'ri: alkilith, alu-fiend, bulezau, cambion, maurezhi, molydeus, nabassu, wastrilith: Only bulezau and molydeus are not converted in an official D&D book. yugoloth: dergholoth, hydroloth, piscoloth: All converted, FF and other books
#23 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 11:59:35	Originally posted by Surcus OK, over to the real reason I started this thread: After doing a rather extensive research of products around the D&D/d20 market, including but not limited to: FF,SS, MM, MM2, MoF, MoP, ELH,BoED + NGs ToH and Dragon Magazines and even more sources I am unable to name at present, as far as I have gathered, these are the monsters not officially updated to 3e from Planescape(sorry for poor editing): Spirit of the Air This is in the Fiend Folio. Rust Dragons These are in the Draconomicon as well as Dragon #300.
#24 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 16:06:22	I didn't meant to make a list other than yours, Surcus, I knew I missed some manuals and I asked exactly which. Originally posted by Surcus tanar'ri: alkilith, alu-fiend, bulezau, cambion, maurezhi, molydeus, nabassu, wastrilith: Only bulezau and molydeus are not converted in an official D&D book. Where can I find them? Originally posted by Surcus yugoloth: dergholoth, hydroloth, piscoloth: All converted, FF and other books Which other books? PS: what is ToH? Tomb of Horrors?
#25 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 11, 2003 0:18:19	ToH = Tome of Horrors, a 3rd party monster book. I don't recall who exactly published it
#26 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2003 16:22:50	NG, or Necromancer Games, published the Tome of Horrors, comprising several new conversions of 2e monsters, including several demon lords, alu-fiends, cambions, nupperibo, and many more.
#27 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2003 18:53:13	Thank you, I'll check it out!!
#28 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2003 22:30:05	Larva were converted as petitioners of the Gray Waste (I think) in the MotP.
#29 factol_rhys_dup Nov 14, 2003 15:13:54	Maurezhi (my favorite fiend) were listed on the monsters which have yet to be updated to 3e. They actually were detailed in the Fiend Folio.
#30 factol_rhys_dup Nov 14, 2003 15:14:29	Maurezhi (my favorite fiend) were listed on the monsters which have yet to be updated to 3e. They actually were detailed in the Fiend Folio.
#31 zombiegleemax Nov 14, 2003 22:51:58	A few things. I saw that there was a guessed at Table of Contents, but is it possible for someone from the project to release a real table of contents. You guys clearly know what's going to be in but the suspense is... well... not killing me... but making me ever so slightly incapacitated. Also, so DVD is ending up as canon? You guys sure if that's the right choice, especially as it's not actually Planescape (just happens in Sigil) so on the whole it's kinda iffy for the campaign, and I'm not sure how many people have looked at it.
#32 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 15, 2003 0:15:54	Lets just say it was a massive matter of contention. I did not go quietly into it. Its done in such a way to at least make me 'ok' with it, if not thrilled by any means. Essentially the events in Sigil happened, largely as the module had it. But the reasons and the secrets it tried to force down our throats regarding The Serpent, and The Lady can be considered null and void as far as Planescape would be concerned, unless you actually want to use them in a game. End result a deity managed to enter Sigil, some destruction ensued, and eventually Vecna was hurled out of Sigil. People assume The Lady did it, no reason to think otherwise. People also assume somehow she allowed Vecna in. You can't always understand Her motivations. Still, people don't like to talk about it.