20 000$ + for greyhawk?

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#1

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 3:05:02
In a recent thread, someone (Delgath i think) told me that rumours states about 20 000$ for greyhawk copyright.
First, Does any of you can make any comments about reliability of this number (other infos)?
Second: That's not very much at all. I don't know the laws in US, but can people associate to buy parts of the copyrights and so invest in greyhawk future products? Of course this will be passionates and we can be sure to have high high qualities products (when i see materials on canonfire for instance!!).
We can take lessons of tsr/wotc past errors and propose new line of products.
I know, and i am sure we all know, there's lot of talentuous potential writers and conceptors for greyhawk ( i don't even speak of living greyhawk materials).
TO have good things made, better make them ourselves!
Instead of supplying a stupid toys companies (greyhawk is not a Magic or POkemon concept, no, thanks!) *
It's possible, and it'll be a good lesson. And a tremendous proudness to buy a part of Oerth!
If we are not silly, and patient, we can even make money! but that musn't be the first goal..
If any of you have any economic information, let them be known here.
Part 2. Reviving Greyhawk by Greyhawkers.
#2

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 3:25:36
I'm as big a Greyhawk fan as they come, but it would seem that you've been handed a lot of nonsense. If Greyhawk were that cheap, I would have bought it a long time ago.
#3

gadodel

Nov 04, 2003 3:49:36
That price may be for use of the copyright...not necessarily ownership of said copyright.

For example: Green Ronin decides to write something for Greyhawk. They may do so once the are given permission. They would have to buy that permission.

After all is said and done, Green Ronin would still not own GH...
#4

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 4:47:25
A while ago an undisclosed personage, of whom I'm somewhat familiar with, made a bid for the LICENSE to create Greyhawk material. The quote, I was told, was roughly in the order of $20k and, IIRC, that didn't give the licensee very much leeway in what they could do.

In fact, again IIRC, from what I understood, it was basically just enough permission to be able to put the GH logo on the cover and use the overall setting history, however any major changes or anything too in-depth would be overseen and edited by WotC, essentially meaning you were very limited in what you could get away with doing.

Not only that, but IIRC, they wanted percentages of profits as well.

Now... what I've said is only what I remember in casual conversation with a person who may, or may not, have actually tried to get the license. I can only go on what I was told and what I remember and since my memory isn't very good at the best of times, and what I'm told online by people I've never met in person is only as reliable as what I think they are, all of this is very much heresay rather than fact.

However, it's pretty good heresay
#5

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 7:03:43
OK OK, don't be too hard....
But , really, what does Wotc wish to do of Greyhawk if they publish nothing about? They put it in a closet and won't earn nearly nothing with greyhawk, cause there's no new products on the market.
Eventually, they will earn nothing at all cause the books won't even be available on library ( what WOTC seek apprently)
SO the PROPERTY of THE WORLD OF GREYHAWK should become affordable, no?
What advantge to keep the rights on something that is no more sold?
I understand the 20K$ possibilties , but i don't think the Greyhawk property should be tremendous.
#6

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 8:26:34
Welcome to the Enigma!
#7

grodog

Nov 04, 2003 20:56:01
FWIW, when I was looking into the GH license back in 2001, WotC said that the licensing fee would be at least $10,000, with guaranteed royalty minimums as part of the licensing contract.

IIRC, Delgath was referring to someone else's investigations of the license, but I don't recall the timeframe for those inquiries....
#8

ranger_reg

Nov 06, 2003 3:17:33
Originally posted by makoma

But , really, what does Wotc wish to do of Greyhawk if they publish nothing about? They put it in a closet and won't earn nearly nothing with greyhawk, cause there's no new products on the market.
Eventually, they will earn nothing at all cause the books won't even be available on library ( what WOTC seek apprently)
SO the PROPERTY of THE WORLD OF GREYHAWK should become affordable, no?
What advantge to keep the rights on something that is no more sold?
I understand the 20K$ possibilties , but i don't think the Greyhawk property should be tremendous.

IMMHO, I think it should be that tremendous, that is, for the use of the GH intellectual property (trademarks, copyrights, etc.).

But money is not the only factor. The publisher who is willing ot bid for that price as well as a sizeable royalty to Wizards must be serious about protecting the GH brand, and must ensure that every product they put out for that line adheres to the quality image and likeness associated to that Greyhawk logo. Wizards is not going to waste their time on a publisher who is putting out less number of products a year, and not one of them is of good quality. That would anger the fans, who in turn will direct their frustration at Wizards for selecting a lousy publisher in the first place.

But if you really do not care about the quality image of GH, and as long as the publisher is rolling out GH products of lesser quality (Carl Sargent pretty much set the bar when it comes to well-written GH material), then tell Wizards to roll the dice and pick a publisher without looking at their credentials.