It seems like quite a few 3.X sourcebooks make consistent references to Oerth, it's gods, it's planar set-up, etc., yet I have yet to see a single Greyhawk hardback sourcebook....
If they were going to throw their weight behind Forgotten Realms (as it seems they have), would it not make sense to have made the "default" D&D pantheon the one from the Realms?
--confused about this NB
Would of made sense to me as well to make their Fr product the default patheon. But who knows with the way Wotc has been incorporating GH material into FR as if it was original to that setting. What we know as an Oerth or GH specific patheon might find its way into the FR setting as many other GH specific details have in the past.
IMO Wotc could of saved plenty of time by placing the FR logo over the GH one and wouldn't have to worry about hiring any writers to come up with original ideas. Wait I think they started this already!
There's no enigma involved. In the third edition, they turned Greyhawk into the 'default' world in which to set thier generic material. It provides a common thread and set of names, features and geography for them to use as a basis for examples and such in the new game.
In effect, they turned GH into the 'generic' campaign world for new DMs to initially work off of, and made it such that DMs and judges could more easily customize it to their heart's content. Other campaign settings (such as FR and presumably the upcoming Eberon setting), they made a conscious decision to retain creative control over, and to describe it all in far more detail.
"If they were going to throw their weight behind Forgotten Realms (as it seems they have), would it not make sense to have made the "default" D&D pantheon the one from the Realms?"
Ah, but if they did that, there wouldn't be as much of an impetus for devotees of the FR setting to buy further supplements, such as "Gods of the Faerun," etc.?
It's primarily a marketing decision.
Originally posted by The Anton
There have been spells named after Greyhawk characters since 2e so maybe not to confuse the names with Forgotten Realms which also has a much larger Pantheon, not possible to describe in the core books?
Heh, a 'much larger pantheon'. I always laugh when I hear things like that, given that a lot of the GH gods are simply not known about by people who say that and they don't tend to include all the demi-gods and hero-gods, of which there are quite a lot. One day I'd like to see just who does have the largest pantheon... not that size matters :D
P.S.
Technically speaking, Greyhawk has several distinct pantheons and a mixed-bag of racially independant gods and hero/demi-gods.
WOTC DOES SUPPORT GREYHAWK!!!!!
Let's see:
D&D Gazetteer (Greyhawk? check)
Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (Greyhawk? check)
Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (Greyhawk? check)
Living Greyhawk Journal found in dragon, now dungeon (Greyhawk? check)
Bits and pieces in every single core book
The Living Greyhawk RPGA campaign
www.wizards.com/greyhawk (what??? there's greyhawk content on the site??? OMG!!!)
Just because they didn't print a hardbound setting book and a boat load of support products does not mean they are not supporting the setting!
Live in the now folks.
Originally posted by chatdemon
Just because they didn't print a hardbound setting book and a boat load of support products does not mean they are not supporting the setting!
Oh, give me a break! That's bordering on ignorant, that comment. The setting is given lip-service and you know it. And quite frankly, if it wasn't for Erik, we wouldn't even have that much, and you KNOW THAT TOO!
As Erik once said, on this forum, nobody gives a rats arse about Greyhawk at WotC and it's sole purpose is as a proper noun generator and nothing more. Don't even TRY and tell me the splat-books are Greyhawk specific. The largest amount of content given in any of the supplements that is Greyhawk specific (and even then, they distorted a lot of it), is the Deities & Demi-gods book and, arguably, MotP. But even then, a smattering of gods from unconnected pantheons, presented as a core pantheon with no relative Greyhawk history, isn't really Greyhawk, now, is it?
The same goes for all the items in the Arms & Equipment guide that are given Greyhawk names but no Greyhawk history.
Find me one entry on the Flan or the Suel in ANY of gods or items descriptions.
Just because the names are similar, don't mean it's Greyhawk.
Oh, and about that Greyhawk website you gave... I mean... really... Living Greyhawk is about as Greyhawk as Rose Estes novels are Greyhawk. Sure, it's set in a facsimile of the world, but do you consider ANY of it canon or use it in your games?
LG is about as coherent and logical as an elephant with butterfly wings. Of the few triads who actually give a rats arse or even KNOW about Greyhawk beyond the gazetteer, even they fall victim to the BS wants of LG players, like half-elf Paladins of Wee Jas born in Celene and adventuring in Perrenland, a predominantly oeridien/flan nation with baklunish influences, establishing open churches (meta-orgs) to Wee Jas in the area and riding a giant spider as a mount...
Puhhleese, if you call that Greyhawk, then you're more sick'n'twisted than I thought :P
We could have the complete ancient secrets of the setting from Gygax himself and if it wasnt a $50 hardback with 75% of the book given over to glossy art, people would say it's not a real greyhawk book.
I'm getting disgusted with greyhawk fans, to be honest.
Between LGJ, the LG Website, the triad websites and canonfire, there is a ton of new material for the setting coming out constantly, but all these narrow minded 3e mindslave fools want is a damn hardback book that Mona and Gygax have given their little stamp of approval to.
If that's what yall want, so be it, you know where to find the real fans who are actually producing something for the setting rather than ranting about inane complaints.
A hardback, glossy, 320 page sourcebook done by Mona and Holian and whoever else, would be far more appropriate for mine, and most every other Greyhawk fans use because it would be done by taking into account the general Greyhawk vision and 'feel', rather than their personal interpretations of things. I mean... I'm sure Erik's personal Greyhawk is very different from what he publishes on Greyhawk. After all, midgets and demons doing the naughty just isn't kosher Greyhawk :D
And that is another thing, none of the work in the splatbooks or sourcebooks takes the Greyhawk 'feel' into account. It's all completely generic. Hell, even the ones that use the gods of Greyhawk, like the Temple Raider of Olidammara, don't really draw on GH lore! Olidammara isn't really a theif, you said so yourself in a chat not long ago, but guess how he's portrayed in generi-hawk of 3e?
Much the same goes for the triads. Some have done some good work, but like I said, even the good triads still suffer from the whims of LG players who care nothing about the setting's coherency.
Need I bring up the Celene half-elf paladin of Wee Jas who rides a giant spider and started a church (meta-org) in a predominantly oeridien/flan, with a touch of Baklunish, area again?
The only things that really gets me upset is when Gh specific material is passed off as a part of another setting. If Wotc doesn't want to support published works for Gh that's fine with me. I just don't want a 1/2 arse product with no real thought process put into it's creation.
I think chatdemons point is the following that if his write ups were published in a GH logo hardbound book. That their would be a whole thread started about his book and that Wotc might start supporting GH again. Then you would have a group state that this book is part of canon. But because his articles are found on the web they are considered a lesser work than what we could find in a book.
Now I not saying that having a full backing for the GH setting wouldn't be nice. But I don't rely on other people's articles or written books for my campaign.
Delglath's point simply is that their's is no real backing by Wotc.
Regardless of your points chatdemon for the most part Delglath is right. Through the work's of fans is how the setting receive's it's true support.
My point is simply this, if you find something you like you can incorporate it into your game. But one of the reasons many people cry for the same or similar attention that FR gets. Is because in the end many people want to buy ideas instead of come up with ideas of their own.
As far as the half-elf paladin of Wee Jas spider rider. Believe it or not this kind of stuff sees print more often then not. I don't like it so I don't use it.
Nuff said !
To be honest, I have to say Greyhawk isn't so much supported by WotC at this time as it is featured.
"D&D Gazetteer (Greyhawk? check)
Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (Greyhawk? check)"
Essentially the same book, just a 'trim' version and an expanded version. It was effectively the only true 3.0 publication by WotC to 'support' the Greyhawk setting, as opposed to just 'featuring' it.
"Bits and pieces in every single core book"
Again, featuring. Name dropping is not the same as supporting.
"The Living Greyhawk RPGA campaign
www.wizards.com/greyhawk (what??? there's greyhawk content on the site??? OMG!!!)"
Um, the website you just quoted is the one for the LG RPGA campaign. Which has virtually zero support from WotC itself. 99.5% of all the work done on LG is by volunteers, same as you or me.
"Just because they didn't print a hardbound setting book and a boat load of support products does not mean they are not supporting the setting!"
In a similar vein, just because they drop names from the Greyhawk setting into the occasional book does not mean they are supporting the setting.
Simply put, after the LGG, WotC has not put out any publication at all that truly supports the setting. Personally, I'm fine with that, as I feel that there's plenty of material out there, if people can seperate themselves away from the "if it's not 'canon', it sucks" mentality. Frankly, I never understood what was so amazingly holy about 'canon' material in the first place (whether it's from Gygax, Wotc or any other source). Good material is good material, regardless of the source, same as bad material.
I'm one of the few people that checks this forum regularly that actually happens to like the Living Greyhawk campaign. Not saying it's perfect, just saying that for me, it's fun (and since getting involved, it's rekindled my interest in the campaign setting).
The region I am involved in is Geoff. Is the LG Geoff like the 'canon' Geoff? No, in many ways it's quite different. Does that make a difference? No, of course not -- why should it? LG is run by volunteers, and is for all intents and purposes, a big massive home campaign.
To me, the important point is that in Geoff, our Triad has created an engaging storyline, and immersive region and a community of good roleplayers who feel that they have a say in the story they are collectively creating. And does it really make a difference if that arises from Gygax's pen, a recent publication from WotC, the articles found on canonfire!, or the gaming room of someone that runs a home campaign in the apartment complex down the street?
I don't think so. Like I said, good material is good material, regardless of the source, same as bad material. It shouldn't matter what that source is.
Originally posted by Steve_MND
"Bits and pieces in every single core book"
Again, featuring. Name dropping is not the same as supporting.
Well, some of the material is of the type Erik Mona dubbed "proper noun generator" greyhawk material, but some is quite detailed and useful. The organizations in the "splat" books come to mind. The material isn't as steeped in the intricacy of greyhawk canon as some of us would like, but it has to appeal to folks who have only the D&D Gazetteer to fall back on, so we can't expect lengthy essays on the development of knighthoods in the Great Kingdom that reference long since out of print sourcebooks. Still, for the greyhawk DM who has become accustomed to doing a little work to adapt material to the campaign, these are great resources.
"The Living Greyhawk RPGA campaign
www.wizards.com/greyhawk (what??? there's greyhawk content on the site??? OMG!!!)"
Um, the website you just quoted is the one for the LG RPGA campaign. Which has virtually zero support from WotC itself. 99.5% of all the work done on LG is by volunteers, same as you or me.
I linked that site for two reasons:
- There are quite a few downloads of articles from the LGJ and other things from the campaign (the master gods/domains list for example) that are useful to any greyhawk DM
- Dave "Wavester" Christ just announced, right here in this forum, that there will soon be weekly articles added to the LG site. Sure, some will focus specifically on LG campaign rules and issues, but he promises that others will be greyhawk setting material that can be used by any greyhawk fan.
I don't think so. Like I said, good material is good material, regardless of the source, same as bad material. It shouldn't matter what that source is.
I can't agree with this more. It's the entire point I was trying to make. The material is out there if you know where to look, and the focus of the complaints as I see them is simply that there isn't a hardback book by one of the "celebrity" greyhawk authors.
Originally posted by Steve_MND
The region I am involved in is Geoff.
Don't you mean, 'Gyruff'?
Fair enough; I won't argue that we've had the occasional detailed introduction of Greyhawk material aside from the Gazateers, but I tend to see those rare instances as the exceptions that prove the rule.
"Dave "Wavester" Christ just announced, right here in this forum, that there will soon be weekly articles added to the LG site. Sure, some will focus specifically on LG campaign rules and issues, but he promises that others will be greyhawk setting material that can be used by any greyhawk fan."
Welllllll, I'll beleive it when I see it.
We've heard about that sort of stuff -- whether it is in the oft-mangled LGJ or the wesbite -- for two years now, and it has yet to materialize in any regular format. But I will remain hopeful!"Don't you mean, 'Gyruff'?"
Heh. I tend to use the regional terms only on the Geoff list, as most people outside the region don't understand the references. :D
Anyway... I miss Gygax work and even Carl the Sarge. Netbooks and similiar are great and all, but I 100% believe most people write any net source off as "basement" material. (Not Canon) Myself included...
I remember this guy, he used to make street legal dune buggies in his basement and sell them. He made 3 or 4 a year, but only sold 1 in that amount of time even tho his prices were fair for the product he was selling. He most often had to give them away to family or friends, but he didn't mind bcuz it was a passion of his.
Across town there was a dealer that sold BPX buggies (pretty nice) and stuff. These things were expensive as a mother. The basement ones always did smoke the snot out of the dealership ones, but for some reason everyone went to the dealership for theirs.
how odd....
not really... (perhaps it was the warranty?)
Abyss
Originally posted by Steve_MND
Welllllll, I'll beleive it when I see it.
"...oft-mangled LGJ..."
Care to explain what you mean by that?
Originally posted by Steve_MND
Heh. I tend to use the regional terms only on the Geoff list, as most people outside the region don't understand the references. :D
And you think 'Gyruff' is a good, creative, intelligent and cool change?
Personally it is this kind of thing that turns me off anything LG.
Care to explain what you mean by that?"
"Care to explain what I mean by that?" Sheesh, Delglath, you say that like you're challenging me to step outside the bar and 'settle this like men.'
"Oft-mangled," in the sense of continually being subjected to changing schedules, being bounced around through three seperate publications so far, dropping of originally-intended elements, etc. It's fine when we see it, but it's no nearly as regular of a feature nor as expansive of a feature as it once was, much less what it was originally conceived as.
"And you think 'Gyruff' is a good, creative, intelligent and cool change?
Personally it is this kind of thing that turns me off anything LG."
Yes, actually, I think it is a marvelous addition. In our LG region, the Triad has worked hard to provide a far more detailed environment than we've seen published in previous 'canon' sources regarding Geoff, simply out of necessity You can't run a campaign centered around a single region of the Flanaess for hundreds of people and five years or more without having to make some changes, or at the very least additions.
One of these elements that the Triad included in their version of Geoff for LG was to stress the importance of the Flan language over Common. As such, many of us in the region/campaign tend to use the local "Flan" terms for things as opposed to using the more pedestrian Common terminology. It's just one of many little things that helps to make the campaign immersive and 'real' for us in Geoff.
What's so terrible about the concept of a predominately Flan people in a predominately Flan region using Flan as their predominant language, and the players and DMs of the campaign embacing that situation to emphasize the roleplaying experience of all involved? If that sort of roleplaying flavor 'turns you off' of something, well, I'm truly sorry.
Originally posted by Delglath
And you think 'Gyruff' is a good, creative, intelligent and cool change?
Personally it is this kind of thing that turns me off anything LG.
I agree with Delgath on this, it seems like someone with too much celtic ethnic pride changed things to be closer to celtic earth history as opposed to what Geoff really is, a mix of many different earth culture references, but not exactly like any.
That aside, I have also tried to get into the Living Greyhawk campaign in Maryland, and I must say I am left with a bitter taste in my mouth for RPGA events. Too many silly rules and restrictions because some players are immature or rules nazis. Not only that, it's very hard to get started. I tried to get my gaming group to fill out all the basic forms and what not, just so I could get more modules, and that not only turned them off from the RPGA, but from Greyhawk also.
I do like some of the scenarios, but for someone who would rather have a home campaign where they can pick and choose, with all of the restrictions it's nigh impossible.
Halber
Yes, the RPGA could do a better job of making things easier. It remains that it is their game, and if you want to play it, you must follow their rules. If you don't want to, if you want the freedom of a home game, then play one. I thought the DL modules were silly when they came out with their pre-generated characters, and instructions to keep them alive until it was time for them to die, so I didn't buy it. That didn't mean TSR had to stop producing it because I didn't like it, or that they weren't supporting the setting because they did it in a way I didn't like.
When Ireland was in it's pagan-like hayday. Their was a common saying that those people who went to Ireland became Irish. Their's one stroy in which an English knight is given control over some lands in Ireland. After six months the King of England receive's a gift from his loyal knight. In the crate is the severed head of one of an Irish rebel. The King sends orders for his Knight to return home to England. When the knight arrives he is wearing an animal skin and furs and carries an axe instead of a sword.
So even though this knight was loyal to his king the influence of the Irish culture was greatly imbue into him. You can say the same about Geoff. That even though Geoff has a mixture of races the Flan culture is indoctrined by all races which settle their. So Flannish is the offically spoken language and unless you speak the language in Geoff you won't get far.
This way you can incorporate the changes from the Triad and still keep the racial diversity evident in Geoff.
Well, remember that the basis for what was to be used in the LG campaign was the LGG, so that was used as the primary source, and other stuff added or incorporated into it. The LGG describes Geoff as being predominantly Flan, with equally widespread Suel and Oeridan as well. It also mentions in the LGG that the people of Geoff show "strong Flan heritage." Altogether, that's a pretty fair account of what the LG region looks like, honestly.
"That aside, I have also tried to get into the Living Greyhawk campaign in Maryland, and I must say I am left with a bitter taste in my mouth for RPGA events. Too many silly rules and restrictions because some players are immature or rules nazis."
Well, I won't apologize for the campaign, but you also have to keep in mind that we're talking about a campaign that needs to accomodate something like 15,000 players in 14 different countries, or thereabouts. You have to expect more stringent controls than in a home campaign, obviously. It's not to everyone's liking, I'll agree, and unfortunately, many people were starting to be interested in it when it started it's second year, when the dreaded RUPs were handed down by the top brass of the RPGA (so to speak), and in many people's eyes the RUPs did worlds of hurt to the campaign that it's still recovering from. The campaign is slowly getting better, although it is by no means perfect. Of course, no campaign is.
"Not only that, it's very hard to get started. I tried to get my gaming group to fill out all the basic forms and what not, just so I could get more modules, and that not only turned them off from the RPGA, but from Greyhawk also."
Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm also a bit confused about what you mean by 'filling out the basic forms' to get modules -- you just order them directly off the RPGA website (which I'll also admit isn't always the best in terms of customer service either). Again, that's just an unfortunate bit about the RPGA -- if you're dealing with thousands of players all operating from a centralized structure, there has to be paperwork involved (although the less the better in my opinion).
"I do like some of the scenarios, but for someone who would rather have a home campaign where they can pick and choose, with all of the restrictions it's nigh impossible."
If it's been a while, I might suggest you think about it again. The Geoff region (VA, WV, DC, MD and DE) is packed fairly thick with LG players, and there's always a game or two going on somewhere around the Balt/DC/NOVA area. Often, the key point to getting involved in an RPGA game is to find some established players in your area that you get along with, playing-style-wise, and play a few modules with them.
Ultimately, as with all games, the biggest factor as to how much fun you have is determined by who it is you are sitting at the table with.
and other Geoff rantishness
By Rich 'chatdemon' Trickey
First and foremost, let's get rid of this idiotic notion that the realm is called Gyruff in the native flan language and was corrupted by the Keoish conquerors, here's why:
- Geoff is a Grand Duchy of Keoland, know what that means? Keoland named it and big kingdoms don't usually pay much mind to the local names for their land when naming these things.
- Owen, Grand Duke of Geoff, is NOT a flan lord given title by the Keoish, he is a Suel Noble (He's a cousin of King Kimbertos of Keoland), so that whole 'brennin of gyruff' title is nonsense.
- Geoff was not, in the original source material, a strictly flan realm, Gygax lists the population as being peacefully mixed Suel, Oerid and Flan
- Lets look at the primary source of canon for Geoff, Against the Giants, The Liberation of Geoff. See the place names? Pest's Crossing, Tikatown, Oytmeet, Pregmere.... Where is this "celtic" influence? I don't see it.
- Show me what page of the LGG or D&DG the description for a country called Gyruff is on, please? What's that? The word isn't even in either book? Aha, so in other words, the triad just completely ignored any canon, even whatever little LGG preview material they had to work with early on and just made themselves into a nice happy celtic kingdom that has a nice arrangement with the big ancient kingdom next door. BAH!
As Sam said, this is only applicable to LG games, and I don't have to use it in my game, however, it is a shining example of a case where a triad completely ignored Greyhawk canon and just did whatever they want with their region. They are free to do so, we are free to call them on it when we notice how off the mark it is.
Originally posted by chatdemon
Show me what page of the LGG or D&DG the description for a country called Gyruff is on, please? What's that? The word isn't even in either book? Aha, so in other words, the triad just completely ignored any canon, even whatever little LGG preview material they had to work with early on and just made themselves into a nice happy celtic kingdom that has a nice arrangement with the big ancient kingdom next door. BAH!
As I allude to here, and as Samwise can surely attest, being a former triad volunteer, it must be pointed out that the triads did not have full draft copies of the LGG to work with early on, this explains a lot of the quirks in the campaign
However, in Geoff's case, this is not a valid excuse, given the other canonical evidence provided by me in that last post, as well as the fact that the Geoff triad "published" none of this celtic gyruff heresy until well after the D&DG and LGG were in print.
One last point, the heretical name they chose brings to me images of some knightly irish setter....
Look yonder, laddies! 'Tis McGyruff, the giant fighting dog!
"As Sam said, this is only applicable to LG games, and I don't have to use it in my game, however, it is a shining example of a case where a triad completely ignored Greyhawk canon and just did whatever they want with their region. They are free to do so, we are free to call them on "
None of the stuff you mentioned earlier has been 'ignored' by the Triad, and every bit of it is still in the LG region. I hardly see where using a native language-term (even if it is 'made up') as opposed to the Common word for it is such a horrible crime against canon.
Historically speaking, virtually _no_ nation or people have every referred to itself in the same manner or language as other countries have until fairly recently in world history. That's why we call it Germany but native speakers refer to it as Deutchland, etc. I simply don't see the cardinal sin being made here.
Since nobody's saying LG is perfectly true to canon, "calling them on it" is rather silly. It's like walking up to a guy wearing boots and going, "Aha, I caught you! You're wearing boots!" Well, duh. It's not like he was ever trying to pass them off as sandals, you know.
Five posts ago, weren't we in agreement that whether or not something is 'canon' is irrelevant to it's suitability as good ideas for one's own campaign? Good material is good material, regardless of the source, just as bad material is. If you don't like or don't want to use something in your own version of how Greyhawk should be, then don't. Nobody's forcing you too. By the same token, criticizing someone else for the way they run their own version of GH is rather silly, IMHO. Each campaign is different.
Originally posted by Steve_MND
"Care to explain what I mean by that?" Sheesh, Delglath, you say that like you're challenging me to step outside the bar and 'settle this like men.'
*blink*
*blink*blink*
Err... yeah... 'cause there's SO much emotion conveyed in text...
If anyone should be 'sheeshing' and rolling ones eyes, it's me.
Originally posted by Steve_MND
"Oft-mangled," in the sense of continually being subjected to changing schedules, being bounced around through three seperate publications so far, dropping of originally-intended elements, etc. It's fine when we see it, but it's no nearly as regular of a feature nor as expansive of a feature as it once was, much less what it was originally conceived as.
Yeah, one of the things I find amusing about the LGG is that a lot of the articles can't even be used in the LG campaign. That's not the fault of the writers, I might add, or Erik's fault, but rather the insane restrictions on both by the Circle and triads. You simply can't write something in a region without their say so, which makes it virtually impossible (you can't expect a writer to have a dozen editors, all with their own opinions on what you should write) to write anything for any of the LG regions.
Thus we get Bright Desert write-ups and Drow essays... not that that's a bad thing, the articles are still mostly excellent, it's just that the concept of the LGJ is very limited in reality.
Originally posted by Halberkill
That aside, I have also tried to get into the Living Greyhawk campaign in Maryland, and I must say I am left with a bitter taste in my mouth for RPGA events. Too many silly rules and restrictions because some players are immature or rules nazis. Not only that, it's very hard to get started. I tried to get my gaming group to fill out all the basic forms and what not, just so I could get more modules, and that not only turned them off from the RPGA, but from Greyhawk also.
I had a similarly bad experience. After a lot of exasperation, I eventually decided to just run a game myself since I had three players and I'd just see who turned up. But after getting the wrong scenario from the website (the websites fault), and never getting the second scneario I ordered (it was listed on the site, but didn't exist in the download, so I had to especially chase it down and ask the Circle for it...), the due date for the game came and went and I still hadn't gotten a scenario.
Bleh. More hassle than it's worth. It had some minor appeal to me for the purposes of meeting other gamers, but that appeal was no longer strong enough for me to tolerate the hassle.
Originally posted by chatdemon
Look yonder, laddies! 'Tis McGyruff, the giant fighting dog!
You're just evil :D
"Gyruff, gyruff!"
"Good doggie, now roll'n'bend over, rover..."
"Gyruff, gyruff!"
Originally posted by Steve_MND
Well, remember that the basis for what was to be used in the LG campaign was the LGG, so that was used as the primary source, and other stuff added or incorporated into it. The LGG describes Geoff as being predominantly Flan, with equally widespread Suel and Oeridan as well. It also mentions in the LGG that the people of Geoff show "strong Flan heritage." Altogether, that's a pretty fair account of what the LG region looks like, honestly.
Yes, I agree that Geoff shows strong Flan heritage, but Flan heritage on Oerth is not the same as Celtic heritage on Earth. The Flan are similar to so many different Earth cultures that making them solely celtic seems rather ethnocentric.
I would say more about the LGG, but I think Chatdemon has said it better, if not nicer.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm also a bit confused about what you mean by 'filling out the basic forms' to get modules -- you just order them directly off the RPGA website (which I'll also admit isn't always the best in terms of customer service either). Again, that's just an unfortunate bit about the RPGA -- if you're dealing with thousands of players all operating from a centralized structure, there has to be paperwork involved (although the less the better in my opinion).
I had no problem getting the modules, it's just to get more modules you had to have at least 2 other rpga people playing that module for the forms to be "accepted" so you can get the next set. My gaming group, which I get along with swimmingly, is not too fond of the RPGA and are not members. Unfortunately I was unable to get the required amount of members, not that my group was too keen on filling out the forms as non-members, after the adventure became "invalid" the stuff they filled out was wasted time anyway. They basically were being patient with me while I tried something they may not like. I must say afterwards, with all of the niggling details, it is not worth it even for myself, and their opinion of the RPGA is only worsened.
The scenario wasn't bad, but because it wasn't an official home game, I can't download more scenarios.
The Geoff region (VA, WV, DC, MD and DE) is packed fairly thick with LG players, and there's always a game or two going on somewhere around the Balt/DC/NOVA area. Often, the key point to getting involved in an RPGA game is to find some established players in your area that you get along with, playing-style-wise, and play a few modules with them.).
I have been unable to find established players nor players for a home game, at least not ones that I could get along with well. Therefore I was hoping to do this with my current gaming group.