Originally posted by Woodland Hero
Whats not in DL thats in the MM?
The quick and dirty answer is:
True Lycanthropes
Orcs
Drow
Mind Flayers
Any creature using psionics (cause psionics don't exist)
Now...of course there are others...but go with this list...and you'll pretty much be fine.
Plus...the Bestiary of Krynn is supposed to be released this month (most likely December, though). And it will most likely let you know what is off limits from the MM and MM2.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Lycanthropes (the diseased kind)
I always thought that all lycanthropes were nonexistant in DL?
as far as I know NO lycanthropes exist on Krynn...but then I might be misinformed ;)Originally posted by Ravenmantle
Umm me too
What I meant by that was that it is possible for like a wizard to curse you with a transformation spell everytime Nuitari is full, or something similar.
But that's not true lycanthropy. But to clarify...I'll edit my post.
Originally posted by Brimstone
The quick and dirty answer is:
Any creature using psionics (cause psionics don't exist)
That's not true. The designers at Sovereign Press have pretty much left it up to individual DMs as to the existence of psionics in the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, as they have stated that they will not address the issue either way. With the exception of specifically excluded creatures (such as Mind Flayers), psionic monsters (like the Coautl) are perfectly fine for a Dragonlance Campaign.
Before anyone points out that past editions of Dragonlance specifically stated that psionics don't exist on Krynn, my answer is ... so what? Those were past editions. We're talking 3rd edition Dragonlance. Past editions had level limits for nonhumans, the exclusion of certain classes to nonhumans, and a prohibition on multiclassing for humans. None of that is applicable to the current edition of Dragonlance.
To state the obvious, 3rd edition Dragonlance takes precedence over all previous versions.
EDIT: spelling
Originally posted by iltharanos
To state the obvious, 3rd edition Dragonlance takes precedence over all previous versions.
For you maybe but many people still use older material for guidance so what seems outdated to you might be perfect for another DM...but personally I agree. It is up to individual DMs whether or not they wish to use psionics in Dragonlance. But so is whether or not to use lycanthropes or ors or any of the other "outlawed" monsters. The books are supposed to be guidelines, not absolute laws...
Originally posted by iltharanos
To state the obvious, 3rd edition Dragonlance takes precedence over all previous versions.
Well...the "official" position is that psionics don't exist on Krynn.
That's why you'll see no psionics or psionic using monsters in any official products.
Originally posted by Correlanthias
In one of the novels I thought that we met a man from Southern Ergoth who was for all practical purposes a were-panther. I believe it was in one of the Meeting Sextants, but I am not positive. But if my memory serves me, he was for a time a companion of a youngish Kitiara.
Right...but it wasn't lycanthropy (or panther or whatever it was). It was just an individual magical curse.
In other words...he couldn't bite somebody and infect them...he'd just kill them. And they aren't vulnerable to silver...nor does moon light necessarily them. It would vary case by case.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
I think that in the Cataclsym book of the tales ii trilogy there is a lychanthrope in one of the stories.
There was a story in one of the Tales books (either I or II...but I don't remember which...or even which book) but I believe he too was not a true lycanthrope...it was a spell/curse from a Black Robe. (or maybe it was a Red...)
Some things are very rare like dinosaurs and any giant larger than a Hill Giant and Beholders... but you can find a way to fit in any monster from the MM into your game. If there is a specific monster you have doubts about just ask and I'm sure people can help you out.
Originally posted by Brimstone
[b]Well...the "official" position is that psionics don't exist on Krynn.
B]
Not anymore. Last I checked, there was no mention anywhere throughout the entirety of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting about psionics. Besides, as I stated earlier, the "people in the know" stated that Sovereign Press won't address the issue of psionics in future Dragonlance 3rd edition products. Since they haven't outlawed it, then it's fair game for those that like to play by the book. :D
Woodland Hero: Just what Kipper said, plus, you'll have to take into account changes to monsters due to the absence of certain monsters in Dragonlance. As an example, the mind flayer is flat-out nonexistent in standard Dragonlance campaigns. But Githyanki aren't outlawed ... yet the Githyanki are described as absolutely hating mind flayers. Easily enough you can just substitute another race, like Shadowpeople. Perhaps Githyanki don't even hate any one particular race with any kind of compassion, perhaps they hate them all, and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Not anymore. Last I checked, there was no mention anywhere throughout the entirety of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting about psionics. Besides, as I stated earlier, the "people in the know" stated that Sovereign Press won't address the issue of psionics in future Dragonlance 3rd edition products. Since they haven't outlawed it, then it's fair game for those that like to play by the book. :D
I, for one, appreciate Sov. Press' take on psionics. By not addressing it either way, both sides of the psionics issue can have what they want.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Not anymore. Last I checked, there was no mention anywhere throughout the entirety of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting about psionics.
Okay...we're talking semantics here.
What you just described, to me, means that the official position is that they don't exist.
Of course it's always okay for a DM to put them in...but you will never see them in a SP Dragonlance Product. Which to me means they don't exist on Krynn for them.
So...we're arguing the same point...but they mean different things for both of us.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Not anymore. Last I checked, there was no mention anywhere throughout the entirety of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting about psionics. Besides, as I stated earlier, the "people in the know" stated that Sovereign Press won't address the issue of psionics in future Dragonlance 3rd edition products. Since they haven't outlawed it, then it's fair game for those that like to play by the book.
The Psionics Handbook is not considered a core rulebook, and thus the existence of psionics as described in that book is not featured as an element of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting. The DLCS is designed to be played with only the PHB, DMG and MM, and therefore no specific content from other books should be assumed to be implied as being "core" unless those elements are reprinted in the DLCS or supplements from Sovereign Press.
Thus, you won't find information in the DLCS about elven bladesingers (from Tome & Blood), monsters in Monster Manual II or Fiend Folio, etc.
It's important to note that psionic creatures in the Monster Manual don't use the PsiHB rules but rather have spell-like abilities described as psionic. Some of these have already been excluded in the list described above; the existence of others may be covered in upcoming DL products.
Cheers,
Cam
Simon Collins
Originally posted by SimonCollins
Just as an example of how you can break the rules, even TSR introduced the concept of drow into Dragonlance in DLS4 Wild Elves.
Simon Collins
Shh...we don't talk about that. ;)
Shh...we don't talk about that.
:heehee
Right, I'll just get my coat, then.