New Greyhawk material in Dragon 315

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#1

Alzrius

Nov 07, 2003 23:59:00
I know this isn't as big for Greyhawk as it is for other old campaign worlds, since Greyhawk is still receiving tacit cupport in the magazines, but still, this is news-worthy! Dragon 314 has this preview for issue 315:

CAMPAIGN CLASSICS - This special issue returns D&D gamers to their roots. We're presenting an article from nearly every D&D campaign ever produced, from Al-Qadim to Taladas. Each article takes some part of these campaigns settings and presents it updated for D&D 3.5. This issue also features a history of the D&D campaign settings by Stan!

Dragonlance by Jamie Chambers - This article gives you information on playing a draconian character, as well as some feat options for your favorite draconian.

Greyhawk by Erik Mona - Resident Greyhawk guru Erik Mona gives us dozens of regional feats for the Greyhawk setting, usable whether you play in Oerth or not.

Al-Qadim by Dean Poisso - The sha'ir class returns to D&D! Harness the power of magic through your gen with this new 20-level class.

Ravenloft by David Noonan - You fought Strahd in 1st Edition and 2nd Edition, now battle the most legendary vampire in D&D in revised 3rd Edition. Plus, revisit Castle Ravenloft with a brand-new map of Strahd's lair.

Kara-Tur by James Wyatt - This article provides ancestor feats and martial arts styles for the regions of Kara-Tur.

Red Steel by Frank Brunner - Witness the return of cinnabar and red steel, the affected, and tortles.

Plus, Blackmoor, Dark Sun, Planescape, Hollow World, and more!
#2

grodog

Nov 08, 2003 0:36:53
Thanks for the tip Alzrius!
#3

zombiegleemax

Nov 08, 2003 1:30:23
There is nothing "to my roots" about regional feats. BORING. I'd have hoped they would have kept with the tradition of the Campaign Classics feature and given us some nice tidbits of setting lore, instead we're just getting some "kewl new powers". Yay.

I'll pass.
#4

zombiegleemax

Nov 08, 2003 20:23:45
I love the idea of regional feats from the FR campaign setting so as long as the Greyhawk region feats are done the same way it'll be a cool thing. I think it makes the setting and the rules system more connected that way and gives you more of a feeling that you're playing "Greyhawk" and not "Generic fantasy with these names". Anyways...i think it'll be a fun read.
#5

Brom_Blackforge

Nov 10, 2003 15:45:48
If there's enough of it, the stuff on the history of each setting should be interesting.
#6

zombiegleemax

Nov 10, 2003 16:01:09
Heck, its just good to GH get a mention every so often. Looks like I'll be keeping an eye out for Dragon for the first time in a while, cheers for the heads up! ;)
#7

erik_mona

Nov 10, 2003 16:38:36
For people who don't use third edition (Rich), the article will probably hold little of interest. For the rest of you, the article contains about 30-35 regional feats, very much in the flavor of the FR book's regional feats.

We've been doing a lot of campaign background stuff in the LGJ, and I wanted to grab the chance to put out some rules for long-suffering Greyhawk DMs. If I've done my job correctly, the feats in the article will help to give players a Greyhawk "feel" to their character backgrounds.

We'll see what people think in a few weeks.

--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
#8

Argon

Nov 10, 2003 16:41:11
I don't use the 3rd edition rules but maybe I'll pick up the magazine to see if I can pull anything from it at all.
#9

zombiegleemax

Nov 10, 2003 18:54:30
Wow. An issue of post-TSR Dragon I'll actually buy. I never thought I'd see the day.
#10

mcbard

Nov 10, 2003 20:08:38
I've been wanting to see regional feats for Greyhawk for quite a while. Thanks, Eric, and I look forward to reading your article.
#11

cwslyclgh

Nov 10, 2003 20:17:10
I, for one, will enjoy the regional feats for greyhawk... (I have already adapted some of the forgotten realms regional feats for use in my greyhawk campaign, and some that are thuroghly greyhawk would be wonderful).
#12

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 7:22:15
Are these regional feats ever likely to find their way to LG does anyone know?
#13

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 8:26:01
Unlikely, but you never know (had it been in the LGJ it would have by default). If they do adopt them (which I seriously hope they do), it will be a regional thing (duh ), and would require campaign documentation of some sort to take them.
#14

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 14:17:41
Thats kinda what I guessed but was hoping that maybe the rumour mill had told us otherwise.

It begs the question: Why not have it as a LGJ article? I was led to believe the absence of LGJs from Dungeon was due to lack of articles submissions yet they put what sounds like a cool GH item in Dragon instead. Curiouser & curiouser.
#15

erik_mona

Nov 11, 2003 14:57:47
The Living Greyhawk Journal appears about 8 times a year, in the Polyhedron side of Dungeon Magazine. It generally does not appear in months that also feature a d20 Mini-Game.

We put this article in Dragon because the boys on that magazine decided to do an issue with one article from every campaign setting, and I'd be damned if I'd let that opportunity pass by without a good article for Greyhawk (and I sincerely hope mine qualifies). I don't really get to write anything in Dungeon (a "Critical Threat" here and there excepted), so I took the chance to write an article that I think should have been written about two years ago when I was specifically asked by the staff to contribute to the issue.

Running that in the LGJ would have involved me writing for my own magazine (generally a no-no), sending 62 feats for approval to nearly as many Triads, each of whom would have their little quibbles and suggestions, and incorporating or deciding against each and every one of those changes. It also would have meant a review process with the Circle. All of that would have taken an enormous amount of time--time we didn't have.

So, instead, we're running the article in Dragon. If the campaign ultimately decides that it would like to include those feats, that's just great, and I'd be pleased as punch. But by putting it in Dragon, we're not forcing anyone to accept rules that make them uncomfortable without giving them a chance to review them. It's still my hope that we can eventually put together some kind of "LGJ Compilation" that might also include the regional feats article, with any post-publication changes mandated by the LG Circle.

--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
#16

hammerclaw

Nov 11, 2003 15:02:44
It should also be interesting to see if the new Sha'ir class could be adapted for the Balklunish lands.
#17

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 15:23:56
Erik...

The article sounds great. I'll be picking up a copy as soon as it becomes available. The LGK compilation also sounds like a good idea, one that I hope will see fruition.

SF
#18

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 15:50:26
Originally posted by Erik Mona
We put this article in Dragon because the boys on that magazine decided to do an issue with one article from every campaign setting, and I'd be damned if I'd let that opportunity pass by without a good article for Greyhawk

Thats the kind of attitude that may get us some new product one day :D

If the campaign ultimately decides that it would like to include those feats, that's just great, and I'd be pleased as punch. But by putting it in Dragon, we're not forcing anyone to accept rules that make them uncomfortable without giving them a chance to review them. It's still my hope that we can eventually put together some kind of "LGJ Compilation" that might also include the regional feats article, with any post-publication changes mandated by the LG Circle.

--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine [/b]

Fair enough Erik, makes a lot more sense put that way, I'm looking forward to getting hold of it and the LGJ compilation will be out when? ;)
#19

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 19:05:04
Does Dragon magazine plan (or may plan) to edit "best of" issue, like a "best of Greyhawk campaign" for instance.. ;)
#20

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 20:34:31
Setting a reasonable goal like a LGJ compilation is a good way to go, though I do like the best of Dragon idea. It's a pity they don't do it anymore.
#21

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 21:36:07
Originally posted by Erik Mona
For people who don't use third edition (Rich), the article will probably hold little of interest.

Contrary to popular belief, I am not the only greyhawk fan who doesn't use 3rd edition. Lose the smug grin and take your criticism like a good little editor, mmkay?
#22

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 22:06:12
Originally posted by Greyhack
Contrary to popular belief, I am not the only greyhawk fan who doesn't use 3rd edition.

Excellent. We have found another fan with which to repopulate the species. Looks like you're on the next plane to Mongolia...
#23

erik_mona

Nov 11, 2003 22:06:39
Rich,

I honestly didn't mean the slam. Sorry to have offended you. Obviously lots of other people won't care about the article, but I'd like to think the bulk of the stuff I publish in the LGJ is useful no matter what system you use.

--Erik
#24

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 22:34:44
----->I am a 2nd Ed. only DM<------

I happen to be happy at least the 3rd ed. users will have something new in any form, although I will not be picking it up myself.
#25

zombiegleemax

Nov 11, 2003 23:42:06
I DM and play 1e only, but I'm still going to buy Dragon 315. It would be better to have Greyhawk be the only non-regular world represented, but if we (greyhawk fans) can make a noticeable change in sales of that one issue, it makes it more likely we'll see more Greyhawk product in the future.
#26

zombiegleemax

Nov 12, 2003 16:26:07
Originally posted by abysslin
----->I am a 2nd Ed. only DM<------

I happen to be happy at least the 3rd ed. users will have something new in any form, although I will not be picking it up myself.

Keep in mind that, for the most part, the Living Greyhawk Journals are still pretty useful, containing a lot of detail and "fluff" work that can be used without the accompanying stat blocks to great extent in any game.

My complaint about the 3e specificness of the "Campaign Classics" article is more a complaint about Dragon in general, which Johnny Wilson has succesfully driven right back into the house rag role that Gygax was wise enough to abandon. It's frustrating to see the only magazine for D&D completely ignore anything that isn't currently available in WotC's catalog.

Keep in mind as well that "Campaign Classics" is not a new feature, these debuted during 2e's swan song with material for the settings that weren't recieving as much material as Forgotten Realms. Slapping a nostalgic name on something that is solidly not traditional or in any way related to the "classic" campaign annoys me. At least the other worlds mentioned in the teaser are getting a revisit of something from their past. We're getting completely new material that has absolutely no use if you don't play 3.5e D&D (which you can purchase now at your local Wizards of the Coast retail store! :D )

Perhaps with the rumored departure of Mr. Wilson from the day to day operations of Paizo, we'll get a directive vision that will start forcing a little true homage to the dead games and their players, but I really can't bring myself to hold my breath.