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#1
dangerdwarf
Nov 09, 2003 17:22:44 Anyone know anything about the Suloise who settled in the Pomarj? Perhaps which house or anything?
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 09, 2003 20:53:08 Ooh... interesting question, I hope you get some knowledgable responses. I am looking forward to reading them.

Unfortuneatly, this is one topic I know very little about, even though the region IS east of the Lortmils :D
#3
zombiegleemax
Nov 09, 2003 21:22:53 Well, there is the stuff on the twisted forest in the Greyhawk Adventures hardback, but that lists no house.

Just that they were wicked and evil (gee, thats a suprise!) and were cursed by the Flan gods after a masacre. The hills were called the Suenha hills, so we could infer that the leader of that band was called Suen. Look at the Tilvanot peninsula for an example of Suel naming conventions.

The twisted forest suel were shortly after the twin cataclysms however, and from memory there were some there quite recently, so I guess that the Suel must have settled those lands at least twice. Kinda makes me wonder why...
#4
zombiegleemax
Nov 09, 2003 21:38:45 Keoland is an amalgam of suel-oeridian people but IIRC, the Principality and County of Ulek and the Pomarj were always fairly independant, even whilst a part of the Kingdom of Keoland. So I'm not sure if the people who settled the Pomarj were suel, flan or oeridian. In fact, I don't think it's written anywhere, now that I've had some time to look into it.
#5
Argon
Nov 09, 2003 23:45:54 Very good question! Now I got to search and see if i have anything on it. I get back to you and let you know. I don't remember if I have anything that's published. I remember I was doing something with the Pomarj but i haven't touch it's history for years. Though I have changed a few things to it in the present.

To be honest i think I was actually planning on making the pomarj a place were the humanoid races which occupy it were alway's in some sort of control of the land their. Nothing official on it though.
#6
dangerdwarf
Nov 10, 2003 7:48:22
So I'm not sure if the people who settled the Pomarj were suel, flan or oeridian.

The Flan were there when the area was settled by "a small number of Suel who were unwelcome elsewere", or something similiar to that. They reportedly called the mountain range the Suenha until the native flan informed them they were the Drachensgrabs.

Mak is reportedly seeking Suel ruins located in the Suss forest as well.

Other then that I don't remember anything else. The reason I asked the question originally is because the campaign I am running will soon be dealing with that region and it's past and am just trying to complete some more knowledge before I take off on my own.
#7
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2003 10:24:27 If you don't get any further info or answers from here, you might want to try the Greytalk chat on Thursday (American time) evening. Look for the warning post that pops up every Thursday on this forum.

There has also been talk of starting up other regular chats based on specific topics. The idea being that if you want to have a specific topic discussed, you 'apply' or something and it get scheduled and you become the host for the evening. Or something like that. You could always try and get a chat based on the Pomarj.
#8
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2003 12:51:02
Originally posted by DangerDwarf
Mak is reportedly seeking Suel ruins located in the Suss forest as well.

There are rumors of an ancient Suel city in the Suss forest. My guess is that the city's magic is responsible for the oppressive and evil atmosphere in the southern parts of the Suss.

The humans in the Pomarj are a mixture of Oeridian and Suel stock.

Regards,
Glorfinden
#9
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2003 12:53:43 I seem to recall a strong reference to this in "The Scarlet Brotherhood" sourcebook published for 2nd Ed and now my interest is sparked.
I'll try to find it and touch back on this if I find anything solid that hasn't been noted here already.

Abyss
#10
Halberkill
Nov 10, 2003 16:11:50
Originally posted by DangerDwarf
Anyone know anything about the Suloise who settled in the Pomarj? Perhaps which house or anything?

The Pomarj was an independent area, similar to the Bandit Kingdoms, until CY513, when humanoids that were driven from the Lortmils by the Hateful Wars conquered the Pomarj (WOG boxed set 1983, pg.31).

Though there was apparently a Suel presence quite a bit before that, maybe even before the invoked devastation. In the Gord books, the rumoured lost city of the suel was a place that held one of the Theoparts (a part of the key to freeing Tharizdun), and was located on the jewel river, but on a part were the river had changed course, so that it is several miles away from the river. This would lead me to beleive that maybe there were some Suel Tharizdun worshippers hanging out here quite a while ago.

Halber
#11
dangerdwarf
Nov 10, 2003 18:00:59
This would lead me to beleive that maybe there were some Suel Tharizdun worshippers hanging out here quite a while ago.

To go off on a side topic, I seem to recall reading something about the "Black Brotherhood" who were Suloise who did indeed worship Tharizdun but for the life of me can't recall where I read this or if it was ever expanded upon.

Bah, my tired mind can't think today.
#12
erik_mona
Nov 10, 2003 18:06:46 The Black Brotherhood is most recently mentioned on p. 98 of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, in the "Conflicts and Intrigues" section of the Scarlet Brotherhood entry. The only other appearance of the sect is in dungeon module I1: Dwellers in the Forbidden City, where they are a group of clerics (I think) exploring Hepmonaland. I decided to marry the two references, and add an element of the "Scarlet Brotherhood as worshippers of Tharizdun" theme from the Gord books when I wrote the LGG Scarlet Brotherhood entry.

Bringing together previously unrelated elements is a great deal of fun, from time to time. ;)

--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
#13
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2003 19:21:10 Hey folks.

Although the Wild Coast was filled with a polyglot of humans, demi-humans, and humanoids between CY 513-84, I like to "play up" the Suel admixture -- especially among clerics and wizards.

For example, in Badwall, the Church of Wee Jas contains a library wherein the history of ancient Suel migrants may be found. Relatedly, neutral and evil wizards of the region no doubt seek old magical lore as the "lost lore of the Suloise."

Likely, in general, certain magicks of the region are "blamed" on the Ancient Suel.

While I've never found a name for the several groups of ancient Suel who once dominated parts of the Wild Coast, The Adventure Begins presents useful history on the northern parts of the Wild Coast.

Remember, very few people (if any) in the Wild Coast have anything like "racial purity." Instead the Ancient Suel, like the ancient Flan, are referred to as sources of the past -- the former remarked upon when wizardry is mentioned; the latter when the Old Faith, Old Lore, or perhaps the Horned Ones are named.
#14
dangerdwarf
Nov 11, 2003 3:30:57 I appreciate the responses, I was mainly curious as to whether or not I would be walking over any thing that has been put out previously with this campaign.

Yeah, I know it's not necessary but I've always enjoyed keeping the continuity.

Anyways, the primary villain for the campaign is an albino half orc sorcerer who's human half shares remote kinship to the ancient Suel who settled the Pomarj. His abilities are due to their blood in his veins and the spirits of the Suel of the region are haphazardly guiding him to release their kin who are trapped within the Twisted Woods.

The characters initially came into contact with him by exploring the ruined castle of Leraizen in the buffer zone before the Orcish Empire (I had the castle be the former home of a reclusive Suel wizard who was killed when Mak's hordes poured forth during the wars) The Half Orc is beginning his search through the ruined keep for clues in the dead wizards library as to the identity of the Pomarj Suel and what he might be able to do.

I've got most of the campaign outlined just filling in details and such as we play through. I'm considering the possibility of the Silent Ones of Keoland becoming involved in the tale as well but unsure.

Enough rambling here, back to work....
#15
rumblebelly
Nov 11, 2003 3:50:30 I think the history of the Suel as contained in the Sheldomar Project (which used to be found on the Codex of Greyhawk page, but has seemed to gone offline, sigh) has some info about the migrating suel in the Pomarj. I ran a campaign using the Scourge of the Slave Lords where the characters passed through the Twisted Forest and accidently set a Suel wizard free. Anyway, some source makes reference to the fact that the history of the suel migrations are housed in Niole Dra.
#16
zombiegleemax
Nov 11, 2003 6:12:28
Originally posted by DangerDwarf
I've got most of the campaign outlined just filling in details and such as we play through. I'm considering the possibility of the Silent Ones of Keoland becoming involved in the tale as well but unsure.

There is an article in one of the LGJ's which details the Silent Ones and has a map of their tower and a couple of NPC's and a Prestige Class. If you can't get a copy, the next best thing is discussing it with the author, Gary Holian, in GreyTalk.

Originally posted by Rumblebelly
I think the history of the Suel as contained in the Sheldomar Project (which used to be found on the Codex of Greyhawk page, but has seemed to gone offline, sigh) has some info about the migrating suel in the Pomarj.

The Codex is still out there it's just not online at the moment, as far as I know... last I knew, it was being incorporated into another site but I don't think they've actually done it yet. Which site, you ask? I don't think they wanted anyone to know until it was done, but I'm sure you're a canny fellow and can guess
#17
rumblebelly
Nov 11, 2003 9:38:11
Originally posted by Delglath
The Codex is still out there it's just not online at the moment, as far as I know... last I knew, it was being incorporated into another site but I don't think they've actually done it yet. Which site, you ask? I don't think they wanted anyone to know until it was done, but I'm sure you're a canny fellow and can guess

Oohh, now that would be nice. I took some time away from my GH campaign and when I wanted to return my favorite resource was gone!
#18
dangerdwarf
Nov 11, 2003 19:31:20
There is an article in one of the LGJ's which details the Silent Ones and has a map of their tower and a couple of NPC's and a Prestige Class.

Yes, I had seen the prestige class for the Silent Ones on the Living Greyhawk page. I wouldn't mind digging up the other information though, thanks Delglath.

Also, for Erik. Back to the Black Brotherhood...

In the timeline of things, how long would you say the Black Brotherhood has been around? Are they a recent splinter from the Scarlet Brotherhood? Have they been lurking in the shadows for quite some time?

If the city located in the Suss is preported to hold one of the keys to freeing Tharizdun then you could guess that have been around for quite some time, even if not actually calling themselves the Black Brotherhood. Could explain why the Pomarj Suel were indeed viewed as an especially wicked group of Suloise.

Also, I found the area on Canonfire that spoke of the city and the reports that the Suel didn't actually create it, just added to it. Interesting read.

This is all giving me some ideas for further twists to my campaign....

*runs off to plot evilly*

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 dangerdwarf Nov 09, 2003 17:22:44	Anyone know anything about the Suloise who settled in the Pomarj? Perhaps which house or anything?
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 09, 2003 20:53:08	Ooh... interesting question, I hope you get some knowledgable responses. I am looking forward to reading them. Unfortuneatly, this is one topic I know very little about, even though the region IS east of the Lortmils :D
#3 zombiegleemax Nov 09, 2003 21:22:53	Well, there is the stuff on the twisted forest in the Greyhawk Adventures hardback, but that lists no house. Just that they were wicked and evil (gee, thats a suprise!) and were cursed by the Flan gods after a masacre. The hills were called the Suenha hills, so we could infer that the leader of that band was called Suen. Look at the Tilvanot peninsula for an example of Suel naming conventions. The twisted forest suel were shortly after the twin cataclysms however, and from memory there were some there quite recently, so I guess that the Suel must have settled those lands at least twice. Kinda makes me wonder why...
#4 zombiegleemax Nov 09, 2003 21:38:45	Keoland is an amalgam of suel-oeridian people but IIRC, the Principality and County of Ulek and the Pomarj were always fairly independant, even whilst a part of the Kingdom of Keoland. So I'm not sure if the people who settled the Pomarj were suel, flan or oeridian. In fact, I don't think it's written anywhere, now that I've had some time to look into it.
#5 Argon Nov 09, 2003 23:45:54	Very good question! Now I got to search and see if i have anything on it. I get back to you and let you know. I don't remember if I have anything that's published. I remember I was doing something with the Pomarj but i haven't touch it's history for years. Though I have changed a few things to it in the present. To be honest i think I was actually planning on making the pomarj a place were the humanoid races which occupy it were alway's in some sort of control of the land their. Nothing official on it though.
#6 dangerdwarf Nov 10, 2003 7:48:22	So I'm not sure if the people who settled the Pomarj were suel, flan or oeridian. The Flan were there when the area was settled by "a small number of Suel who were unwelcome elsewere", or something similiar to that. They reportedly called the mountain range the Suenha until the native flan informed them they were the Drachensgrabs. Mak is reportedly seeking Suel ruins located in the Suss forest as well. Other then that I don't remember anything else. The reason I asked the question originally is because the campaign I am running will soon be dealing with that region and it's past and am just trying to complete some more knowledge before I take off on my own.
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 10:24:27	If you don't get any further info or answers from here, you might want to try the Greytalk chat on Thursday (American time) evening. Look for the warning post that pops up every Thursday on this forum. There has also been talk of starting up other regular chats based on specific topics. The idea being that if you want to have a specific topic discussed, you 'apply' or something and it get scheduled and you become the host for the evening. Or something like that. You could always try and get a chat based on the Pomarj.
#8 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 12:51:02	Originally posted by DangerDwarf Mak is reportedly seeking Suel ruins located in the Suss forest as well. There are rumors of an ancient Suel city in the Suss forest. My guess is that the city's magic is responsible for the oppressive and evil atmosphere in the southern parts of the Suss. The humans in the Pomarj are a mixture of Oeridian and Suel stock. Regards, Glorfinden
#9 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 12:53:43	I seem to recall a strong reference to this in "The Scarlet Brotherhood" sourcebook published for 2nd Ed and now my interest is sparked. I'll try to find it and touch back on this if I find anything solid that hasn't been noted here already. Abyss
#10 Halberkill Nov 10, 2003 16:11:50	Originally posted by DangerDwarf Anyone know anything about the Suloise who settled in the Pomarj? Perhaps which house or anything? The Pomarj was an independent area, similar to the Bandit Kingdoms, until CY513, when humanoids that were driven from the Lortmils by the Hateful Wars conquered the Pomarj (WOG boxed set 1983, pg.31). Though there was apparently a Suel presence quite a bit before that, maybe even before the invoked devastation. In the Gord books, the rumoured lost city of the suel was a place that held one of the Theoparts (a part of the key to freeing Tharizdun), and was located on the jewel river, but on a part were the river had changed course, so that it is several miles away from the river. This would lead me to beleive that maybe there were some Suel Tharizdun worshippers hanging out here quite a while ago. Halber
#11 dangerdwarf Nov 10, 2003 18:00:59	This would lead me to beleive that maybe there were some Suel Tharizdun worshippers hanging out here quite a while ago. To go off on a side topic, I seem to recall reading something about the "Black Brotherhood" who were Suloise who did indeed worship Tharizdun but for the life of me can't recall where I read this or if it was ever expanded upon. Bah, my tired mind can't think today.
#12 erik_mona Nov 10, 2003 18:06:46	The Black Brotherhood is most recently mentioned on p. 98 of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, in the "Conflicts and Intrigues" section of the Scarlet Brotherhood entry. The only other appearance of the sect is in dungeon module I1: Dwellers in the Forbidden City, where they are a group of clerics (I think) exploring Hepmonaland. I decided to marry the two references, and add an element of the "Scarlet Brotherhood as worshippers of Tharizdun" theme from the Gord books when I wrote the LGG Scarlet Brotherhood entry. Bringing together previously unrelated elements is a great deal of fun, from time to time. ;) --Erik Mona Editor-in-Chief Dungeon Magazine
#13 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 19:21:10	Hey folks. Although the Wild Coast was filled with a polyglot of humans, demi-humans, and humanoids between CY 513-84, I like to "play up" the Suel admixture -- especially among clerics and wizards. For example, in Badwall, the Church of Wee Jas contains a library wherein the history of ancient Suel migrants may be found. Relatedly, neutral and evil wizards of the region no doubt seek old magical lore as the "lost lore of the Suloise." Likely, in general, certain magicks of the region are "blamed" on the Ancient Suel. While I've never found a name for the several groups of ancient Suel who once dominated parts of the Wild Coast, The Adventure Begins presents useful history on the northern parts of the Wild Coast. Remember, very few people (if any) in the Wild Coast have anything like "racial purity." Instead the Ancient Suel, like the ancient Flan, are referred to as sources of the past -- the former remarked upon when wizardry is mentioned; the latter when the Old Faith, Old Lore, or perhaps the Horned Ones are named.
#14 dangerdwarf Nov 11, 2003 3:30:57	I appreciate the responses, I was mainly curious as to whether or not I would be walking over any thing that has been put out previously with this campaign. Yeah, I know it's not necessary but I've always enjoyed keeping the continuity. Anyways, the primary villain for the campaign is an albino half orc sorcerer who's human half shares remote kinship to the ancient Suel who settled the Pomarj. His abilities are due to their blood in his veins and the spirits of the Suel of the region are haphazardly guiding him to release their kin who are trapped within the Twisted Woods. The characters initially came into contact with him by exploring the ruined castle of Leraizen in the buffer zone before the Orcish Empire (I had the castle be the former home of a reclusive Suel wizard who was killed when Mak's hordes poured forth during the wars) The Half Orc is beginning his search through the ruined keep for clues in the dead wizards library as to the identity of the Pomarj Suel and what he might be able to do. I've got most of the campaign outlined just filling in details and such as we play through. I'm considering the possibility of the Silent Ones of Keoland becoming involved in the tale as well but unsure. Enough rambling here, back to work....
#15 rumblebelly Nov 11, 2003 3:50:30	I think the history of the Suel as contained in the Sheldomar Project (which used to be found on the Codex of Greyhawk page, but has seemed to gone offline, sigh) has some info about the migrating suel in the Pomarj. I ran a campaign using the Scourge of the Slave Lords where the characters passed through the Twisted Forest and accidently set a Suel wizard free. Anyway, some source makes reference to the fact that the history of the suel migrations are housed in Niole Dra.
#16 zombiegleemax Nov 11, 2003 6:12:28	Originally posted by DangerDwarf I've got most of the campaign outlined just filling in details and such as we play through. I'm considering the possibility of the Silent Ones of Keoland becoming involved in the tale as well but unsure. There is an article in one of the LGJ's which details the Silent Ones and has a map of their tower and a couple of NPC's and a Prestige Class. If you can't get a copy, the next best thing is discussing it with the author, Gary Holian, in GreyTalk. Originally posted by Rumblebelly I think the history of the Suel as contained in the Sheldomar Project (which used to be found on the Codex of Greyhawk page, but has seemed to gone offline, sigh) has some info about the migrating suel in the Pomarj. The Codex is still out there it's just not online at the moment, as far as I know... last I knew, it was being incorporated into another site but I don't think they've actually done it yet. Which site, you ask? I don't think they wanted anyone to know until it was done, but I'm sure you're a canny fellow and can guess
#17 rumblebelly Nov 11, 2003 9:38:11	Originally posted by Delglath The Codex is still out there it's just not online at the moment, as far as I know... last I knew, it was being incorporated into another site but I don't think they've actually done it yet. Which site, you ask? I don't think they wanted anyone to know until it was done, but I'm sure you're a canny fellow and can guess Oohh, now that would be nice. I took some time away from my GH campaign and when I wanted to return my favorite resource was gone!
#18 dangerdwarf Nov 11, 2003 19:31:20	There is an article in one of the LGJ's which details the Silent Ones and has a map of their tower and a couple of NPC's and a Prestige Class. Yes, I had seen the prestige class for the Silent Ones on the Living Greyhawk page. I wouldn't mind digging up the other information though, thanks Delglath. Also, for Erik. Back to the Black Brotherhood... In the timeline of things, how long would you say the Black Brotherhood has been around? Are they a recent splinter from the Scarlet Brotherhood? Have they been lurking in the shadows for quite some time? If the city located in the Suss is preported to hold one of the keys to freeing Tharizdun then you could guess that have been around for quite some time, even if not actually calling themselves the Black Brotherhood. Could explain why the Pomarj Suel were indeed viewed as an especially wicked group of Suloise. Also, I found the area on Canonfire that spoke of the city and the reports that the Suel didn't actually create it, just added to it. Interesting read. This is all giving me some ideas for further twists to my campaign.... runs off to plot evilly