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Could Sigil be considering a finite Transitive Plane?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 09, 2003 18:53:51 Sigil matches all the criteria for a miniature Transitive Plane; it leads to other planes, it affects magic in a variety of ways (namely, it cannot be reached via spells, and no magic whatsoever can force a portal to open), and it has unique planar features (i.e., the lack of direct divine intervention).

Has anyone written up Sigil as a mini-plane? It would be interesting, and Sigil-as-Transitive Plane would answer a lot of questions....

--Sigil, grandest of the Transitive Planes NB
#2
incenjucar
Nov 09, 2003 23:17:46 Sigil's only 'transitive' because it has a large number of portals.

If portal-bearing means transitive plane, then the first layer of the abyss fits the same bill -- in fact, most planes would. They're just really cruddy transitive planes.
#3
sildatorak
Nov 09, 2003 23:57:45 Plus, using the old rules for magical weapon plusses varying depending on how far removed they were from their home plane, it was demonstrated that Sigil was part of the Outlands rather than its own plane.
#4
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2003 0:34:52 Nope. Sigil was treated as if it were part of the outlands for magical weapon bonus reduction, but it's not actually part of the outlands. Sigil was never treated as a plane, or as part of any other plane. Sigil has always been treated as a unique place in the universe. It's Sigil, it doesn't need to be described as a transitive plane, and it certainly has no reason to be officially part of the outlands. Sigil's an exception. I believe it's pretty clearly stated that it's not a plane, nor is it a realm, not a layer, nor is it anything else that would ordinarily fit within the standard great wheel cosmology.

It's just Sigil. Explaining it is like trying to give stats to the Lady. You can try, but it doesn't work.

Besides, if the criteria for being a transitive plane are "Leads to other planes, affects magic, and has unique planar features", then everything but the prime is a transitive plane, the prime isn't one only because it doesn't meet the "affects magic" clause, and it doesn't do that because magic is defined along the standard of how it works on the prime material plane. That's a rather flimsy argument no matter how you look at it.

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#1 zombiegleemax Nov 09, 2003 18:53:51	Sigil matches all the criteria for a miniature Transitive Plane; it leads to other planes, it affects magic in a variety of ways (namely, it cannot be reached via spells, and no magic whatsoever can force a portal to open), and it has unique planar features (i.e., the lack of direct divine intervention). Has anyone written up Sigil as a mini-plane? It would be interesting, and Sigil-as-Transitive Plane would answer a lot of questions.... --Sigil, grandest of the Transitive Planes NB
#2 incenjucar Nov 09, 2003 23:17:46	Sigil's only 'transitive' because it has a large number of portals. If portal-bearing means transitive plane, then the first layer of the abyss fits the same bill -- in fact, most planes would. They're just really cruddy transitive planes.
#3 sildatorak Nov 09, 2003 23:57:45	Plus, using the old rules for magical weapon plusses varying depending on how far removed they were from their home plane, it was demonstrated that Sigil was part of the Outlands rather than its own plane.
#4 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2003 0:34:52	Nope. Sigil was treated as if it were part of the outlands for magical weapon bonus reduction, but it's not actually part of the outlands. Sigil was never treated as a plane, or as part of any other plane. Sigil has always been treated as a unique place in the universe. It's Sigil, it doesn't need to be described as a transitive plane, and it certainly has no reason to be officially part of the outlands. Sigil's an exception. I believe it's pretty clearly stated that it's not a plane, nor is it a realm, not a layer, nor is it anything else that would ordinarily fit within the standard great wheel cosmology. It's just Sigil. Explaining it is like trying to give stats to the Lady. You can try, but it doesn't work. Besides, if the criteria for being a transitive plane are "Leads to other planes, affects magic, and has unique planar features", then everything but the prime is a transitive plane, the prime isn't one only because it doesn't meet the "affects magic" clause, and it doesn't do that because magic is defined along the standard of how it works on the prime material plane. That's a rather flimsy argument no matter how you look at it.