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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 15, 2003 8:31:37 hi, i'm starting a new campaign in the beautiful world of oerth and i've a little problem...probably i'll use some of the adventures of the so called "sunless citadel saga" and i'd like knowing if these are settled in greyhawk and where (as temple of elemental evil is settled near verbobonc)...in d&d gazeteer (a poor accessory) i haven't found the areas where these adventures take place
anybody knows? thx
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 15, 2003 12:49:15 Hey Phoenix!

While I've never played the series, from what I've read online several of them seem to be set in and around the Wild Coast.

Hopefully others will post specifically where they believe each module "is" -- and also post where they've been placed.
#3
grodog
Nov 16, 2003 18:38:42 phoenix76---

If you check out the reviews of the adventure path modules on www.canonfire.com (written by Samwise), he adds notes about where the modules are set, and also discusses their relative value as Greyhawk source material.
#4
Brom_Blackforge
Nov 20, 2003 14:54:40 I don't know, Grodog, maybe I missed it, but I read the reviews for "Sunless Citadel" and "Forge of Fury" and didn't see anything about where in Greyhawk they should be placed. Having run both of them, I can say there's nothing I saw in either of them to even give a hint. I think you can place them wherever you want.

That said, I'll tell you where I put them. I placed Oakhurst to the northwest of Greyhawk, actually pretty nearby. No particular reason for that, except that it fit into my storyline to have it there. The second module, "Forge of Fury," I placed in the Lortmil Mountains (since it needs to be in a mountain range). I put Blasingdell about halfway between Courwood and Thunderstrike.
#5
zombiegleemax
Nov 20, 2003 17:18:49
Originally posted by Brom Blackforge
I don't know, Grodog, maybe I missed it, but I read the reviews for "Sunless Citadel" and "Forge of Fury" and didn't see anything about where in Greyhawk they should be placed. Having run both of them, I can say there's nothing I saw in either of them to even give a hint. I think you can place them wherever you want.

Yeah, but placing it in, say... the old See of Medigia wouldn't exactly work, now, would it?

I think what gro was trying to say was that Sam's a hardcore GH nut so steeped in the minutae of GH lore (well, at least in some areas) and the workings of D&D that he can draw from the text mysteries that other, lesser beings (and if you ask Sam, everyone is a lesser being...), fail to see and thus can suggest placement of the module in areas that would be more conducive to the inherent storyline and what hides between the lines.

In other words, they're just suggestions.
#6
samwise
Nov 20, 2003 22:36:53 What I addressed in the reviews was the Greyhawk content and what it affected.
Which for those two was basically nothing unless you wanted to be obsessive and absolutely insist that you needed some dead dragon wasteland to place them.
Beyond that, they fit just about anywhere, at most requiring some hills and some woods to be in the area. (Which means anywhere.)
This is in contrast to something like The Standing Stone which requires a very large forest (and a particularly mutated one at that if you don't correct the glaring errors on forest ecology it contains), or a onlder modules like Gates of Firestorm Peak which requires a mountain for suitable placement.
But most such generic modules don't really require placement in a specific location.

As for my superior ability to discern obscure bits of minutiae, and how that makes me superior to the run of the mill Greyhawk critic like say Delglath (who failed to note that in Greyhawk Adventures, clerics of Pholtus can only be Lawful Neutral), this is true. And reviews by me should be valued for the superior insight behind them, and consequent superior content.
#7
zombiegleemax
Nov 21, 2003 8:03:41
Originally posted by Samwise
As for my superior ability to discern obscure bits of minutiae, and how that makes me superior to the run of the mill Greyhawk critic like say Delglath (who failed to note that in Greyhawk Adventures, clerics of Pholtus can only be Lawful Neutral), this is true. And reviews by me should be valued for the superior insight behind them, and consequent superior content.

God I love being right :D

P.S. And he managed to only use the word superior four times! Wow, what restraint! :D
#8
Brom_Blackforge
Nov 21, 2003 10:03:39
Originally posted by Delglath
I think what gro was trying to say was that Sam's a hardcore GH nut so steeped in the minutae of GH lore (well, at least in some areas) and the workings of D&D that he can draw from the text mysteries that other, lesser beings (and if you ask Sam, everyone is a lesser being...), fail to see and thus can suggest placement of the module in areas that would be more conducive to the inherent storyline and what hides between the lines.

In other words, they're just suggestions.

Actually, what he said was "he adds notes about where the modules are set," and when I went to Canonfire and read the reviews, I didn't see any such notes in there. Not to nitpick, but there it is.

I recognize that, with these generic modules, any suggestions about where to place them would be just that. Educated guesses, maybe, or an evaluation of where they seem to fit, but not authoritative.
#9
samwise
Nov 21, 2003 14:12:19 As I said, I don't have specific locations, just general requirements and compatibility notes. Except in one case, the series on the Al-Qadim modules. Those I give a more specific location to because I felt like it. But most modules don't need such specifics, mostly because I am an Old School kinda guy, and I figure DMs are smart enough not to need me to run their campaigns by telling them where to place generic material.

Oh, and Delglath, that makes me superior too. (And brings your count to five. :D
#10
zombiegleemax
Nov 21, 2003 15:44:27 There is nothing really Greyhawk about them from what I've seen so you can place them pretty much anywhere. When I DM'ed SS I put it near Highfolk.
#11
grodog
Nov 22, 2003 1:32:57
Originally posted by Brom Blackforge
Actually, what he said was "he adds notes about where the modules are set," and when I went to Canonfire and read the reviews, I didn't see any such notes in there. Not to nitpick, but there it is.

I recognize that, with these generic modules, any suggestions about where to place them would be just that. Educated guesses, maybe, or an evaluation of where they seem to fit, but not authoritative.

Looks like my recollection was bad, sorry folks. I thought I remembered Sam making Greyhawk-specific recommendation about how some of the modules would fit using the provided background in/around Celene (Standing Stone perhaps??) and other areas too. My memory's not what it once was, though ;)
#12
Brom_Blackforge
Nov 24, 2003 11:33:57 Hey, no big deal, Grodog. You're probably not getting much sleep nowadays, anyway. My reply was directed more at Delglath than at you, and my initial post was just to make sure there wasn't something that I missed.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 15, 2003 8:31:37	hi, i'm starting a new campaign in the beautiful world of oerth and i've a little problem...probably i'll use some of the adventures of the so called "sunless citadel saga" and i'd like knowing if these are settled in greyhawk and where (as temple of elemental evil is settled near verbobonc)...in d&d gazeteer (a poor accessory) i haven't found the areas where these adventures take place anybody knows? thx
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 15, 2003 12:49:15	Hey Phoenix! While I've never played the series, from what I've read online several of them seem to be set in and around the Wild Coast. Hopefully others will post specifically where they believe each module "is" -- and also post where they've been placed.
#3 grodog Nov 16, 2003 18:38:42	phoenix76--- If you check out the reviews of the adventure path modules on www.canonfire.com (written by Samwise), he adds notes about where the modules are set, and also discusses their relative value as Greyhawk source material.
#4 Brom_Blackforge Nov 20, 2003 14:54:40	I don't know, Grodog, maybe I missed it, but I read the reviews for "Sunless Citadel" and "Forge of Fury" and didn't see anything about where in Greyhawk they should be placed. Having run both of them, I can say there's nothing I saw in either of them to even give a hint. I think you can place them wherever you want. That said, I'll tell you where I put them. I placed Oakhurst to the northwest of Greyhawk, actually pretty nearby. No particular reason for that, except that it fit into my storyline to have it there. The second module, "Forge of Fury," I placed in the Lortmil Mountains (since it needs to be in a mountain range). I put Blasingdell about halfway between Courwood and Thunderstrike.
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 20, 2003 17:18:49	Originally posted by Brom Blackforge I don't know, Grodog, maybe I missed it, but I read the reviews for "Sunless Citadel" and "Forge of Fury" and didn't see anything about where in Greyhawk they should be placed. Having run both of them, I can say there's nothing I saw in either of them to even give a hint. I think you can place them wherever you want. Yeah, but placing it in, say... the old See of Medigia wouldn't exactly work, now, would it? I think what gro was trying to say was that Sam's a hardcore GH nut so steeped in the minutae of GH lore (well, at least in some areas) and the workings of D&D that he can draw from the text mysteries that other, lesser beings (and if you ask Sam, everyone is a lesser being...), fail to see and thus can suggest placement of the module in areas that would be more conducive to the inherent storyline and what hides between the lines. In other words, they're just suggestions.
#6 samwise Nov 20, 2003 22:36:53	What I addressed in the reviews was the Greyhawk content and what it affected. Which for those two was basically nothing unless you wanted to be obsessive and absolutely insist that you needed some dead dragon wasteland to place them. Beyond that, they fit just about anywhere, at most requiring some hills and some woods to be in the area. (Which means anywhere.) This is in contrast to something like The Standing Stone which requires a very large forest (and a particularly mutated one at that if you don't correct the glaring errors on forest ecology it contains), or a onlder modules like Gates of Firestorm Peak which requires a mountain for suitable placement. But most such generic modules don't really require placement in a specific location. As for my superior ability to discern obscure bits of minutiae, and how that makes me superior to the run of the mill Greyhawk critic like say Delglath (who failed to note that in Greyhawk Adventures, clerics of Pholtus can only be Lawful Neutral), this is true. And reviews by me should be valued for the superior insight behind them, and consequent superior content.
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 8:03:41	Originally posted by Samwise As for my superior ability to discern obscure bits of minutiae, and how that makes me superior to the run of the mill Greyhawk critic like say Delglath (who failed to note that in Greyhawk Adventures, clerics of Pholtus can only be Lawful Neutral), this is true. And reviews by me should be valued for the superior insight behind them, and consequent superior content. God I love being right :D P.S. And he managed to only use the word superior four times! Wow, what restraint! :D
#8 Brom_Blackforge Nov 21, 2003 10:03:39	Originally posted by Delglath I think what gro was trying to say was that Sam's a hardcore GH nut so steeped in the minutae of GH lore (well, at least in some areas) and the workings of D&D that he can draw from the text mysteries that other, lesser beings (and if you ask Sam, everyone is a lesser being...), fail to see and thus can suggest placement of the module in areas that would be more conducive to the inherent storyline and what hides between the lines. In other words, they're just suggestions. Actually, what he said was "he adds notes about where the modules are set," and when I went to Canonfire and read the reviews, I didn't see any such notes in there. Not to nitpick, but there it is. I recognize that, with these generic modules, any suggestions about where to place them would be just that. Educated guesses, maybe, or an evaluation of where they seem to fit, but not authoritative.
#9 samwise Nov 21, 2003 14:12:19	As I said, I don't have specific locations, just general requirements and compatibility notes. Except in one case, the series on the Al-Qadim modules. Those I give a more specific location to because I felt like it. But most modules don't need such specifics, mostly because I am an Old School kinda guy, and I figure DMs are smart enough not to need me to run their campaigns by telling them where to place generic material. Oh, and Delglath, that makes me superior too. (And brings your count to five. :D
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 15:44:27	There is nothing really Greyhawk about them from what I've seen so you can place them pretty much anywhere. When I DM'ed SS I put it near Highfolk.
#11 grodog Nov 22, 2003 1:32:57	Originally posted by Brom Blackforge Actually, what he said was "he adds notes about where the modules are set," and when I went to Canonfire and read the reviews, I didn't see any such notes in there. Not to nitpick, but there it is. I recognize that, with these generic modules, any suggestions about where to place them would be just that. Educated guesses, maybe, or an evaluation of where they seem to fit, but not authoritative. Looks like my recollection was bad, sorry folks. I thought I remembered Sam making Greyhawk-specific recommendation about how some of the modules would fit using the provided background in/around Celene (Standing Stone perhaps??) and other areas too. My memory's not what it once was, though ;)
#12 Brom_Blackforge Nov 24, 2003 11:33:57	Hey, no big deal, Grodog. You're probably not getting much sleep nowadays, anyway. My reply was directed more at Delglath than at you, and my initial post was just to make sure there wasn't something that I missed.