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#1bob_the_efreetNov 20, 2003 17:16:29 | So, my friend is running a game, and he had a question he wanted me to pose to some plane-knowledgable people. Do fiends (I prefer to use the word daemon, but 3e has defined that as Tanar'ri only..) require the eating of souls for their sustenance? More specifically, do succubi require the draining of energy to maintain their well-being? |
#2factol_rhys_dupNov 20, 2003 18:02:00 | Yes, I got here first! The Cadence wins again. A certain arcanoloth will have to work on her reflexes. First of all, "daemon" is an old-fashioned (1e, pre Planescape) term for Yugoloths (and maybe some similar creatures). "Demon" used to be the equivalent for tanar'ri, but now 3e uses it to group together tanar'ri and other Abyssal fiendish creatures (though it's important to note that only the tanar'ri are true planeborn, the others like bebeliths and retrievers are just planar denizens). Baatezu, kytons, hellcats, and others are now grouped as "devils." Moving on, we'll go through what each type of fiend eats, as provided by Faces of Evil (oh the wonders of this book). Tanar'ri eat meat. Lots of it. They consume the physical bodies of their dead enemies. At the same time, they absorb fear and pain, which is why they much prefer their victims to be terrified before they are eaten. Some tanar'ri may absorb the spirits of their enemies as well. It is not known for sure whether tanar'ri need to eat at all, or if they just do it for appearances or intimidation. Baatezu also eat meat, but they much prefer it to be from an intelligent creature. They love to eat their enemies like larvae, tanar'ri, and yugoloths. Above all, they savor eating those of good alignment, especially celestials. What they consume is life itself. By destroying the life energies of their prey, they strengthen themselves, and of course the baatezu's perverted mind finds this immensly satisfying. They don't actually need to eat or drink anything, as creatures formed of belief, that is what they ultimately subsist on. Yugoloths delight in taking life from anything. They are, of course, carnivores, but when they eat you, it's more than just for food. It demonstrates their position in the multiverse, and they love showing every berk in existence just who's on the top. It truly is the thinking of a 'loth to want to be on the top of the food chain and for everyone to know it. Consequently, they love to absorb the fear and despair from a poor sod who they're eating. Gehreleths may just eat because they want to destroy that which they hate: everything. Or it could be because it provides a goal for their lives. Like the other fiends, however, they're immortal, so the need for physical sustenance is a minor one at most. Powers, what an unpleasant subject. |
#3Shemeska_the_MarauderNov 20, 2003 20:26:09 | Sorry I'm behind on my quickness tonight, I was too busy devouring the flesh and souls of some widow and her children from the Hive who paid their rent late... or perhaps just enjoying my own company and a bottle of vintage Firewine and some roasted Abyssal apples. Pick whichever you feel would make you sleep better at night. *grins fiendishly, and you'd swear for just an instant those sparkling teeth are just a tad bloody...* |
#4factol_rhys_dupNov 20, 2003 21:08:07 | Yugoloths also eat apples and drink wine. I must have forgotten that part. Or maybe, they just do it to prove their superiority to fruit and wine. Or maybe I got mixed up. Are they are absorbing the terror that the apples experience? Or is it Shemmy Snacks? *see other thread somewhere* |
#5Shemeska_the_MarauderNov 20, 2003 21:21:19 | Originally posted by Factol Rhys ... Yes... somewhere there's a treant screaming is horror, "OH GOD NO!! NOT MY APPLES!!! AHHH!!!!!!!" *munches on an apple and somewhere in Arborea a treant shudders with horrific memories* |
#6zombiegleemaxNov 20, 2003 21:48:20 | And as noted elsewhere, Shemy's also impartial to Shemy snacks, though won't admit it for the life of the fiend. However, the feat "create snacks" is a rare one and shemy snacks are an upper level creation. But yeah, if anyone else has the old 1e monster's manual II, the D section was one of the most confusing things I'd ever seen as at the time all of the planes were pretty unclear (this is waay before planescape cleaned things up) and you're just like, "devil, demon, daemon, demodand... screw this". |
#7factol_rhys_dupNov 20, 2003 21:57:35 | Snazy, I think you mean that she's "partial to Shemmy Snacks." |
#8zombiegleemaxNov 20, 2003 22:07:32 | Lol, impartial. |
#9zombiegleemaxNov 21, 2003 18:08:19 | WHY are Gehreleths called Demodands again??? (see Fiend Folio) |
#10Shemeska_the_MarauderNov 21, 2003 18:16:32 | 1st edition nostalgia on the part of the designer? Thats my guess. The conversion was pretty good. The art was blaugh. I typically look at the new Gehreleth pics and can all but hear the Shator and Kelubar going, "HEY HEY HEY!" ala Fat Albert The Farastu doesn't look at all however like I've always imagined them, or seen them depicted, in any edition. Still, since I loathe and despise Apomp's twisted little spawn, I guess I'm the least of all people to complain about them getting another name change. :D |
#11zombiegleemaxNov 21, 2003 21:33:02 | Ah, yes, 1st edition, alittle before my time as a Roleplayer. I remember after a friend got ahold of an old Monster Manual 2, and I first discovered the Modrons and the infamaos princes of Hell. After that Bel appeared as a regular villain and general annoyance to the players in my campaign. Ah, memories... |
#12factol_rhys_dupNov 22, 2003 10:07:00 | Well, that's sort of interesting, actually. The former categories of "tanar'ri" and "baatezu" have been expanded in 3rd Edition to become "demons" and "devils" and they now include a large number of related creatures. The Gehreleths, though, are the only Demodands there are, to my knowledge. Similarly, the Yugoloths are the only Daemons there are (though they are just called "Yugoloths" in official material). Why is this? Maybe Hordelings could become another type of Daemon? Please don't kill me over the fact that some people consider hordelings to be the planeborn of the Grey Waste. In my opinion, that's stupid. They don't follow the same pattern as any other planeborn in the Great Wheel. All the others have ascending ranks of creatures with different roles and some kind of society (even Slaadi). Hordelings are just quirky little monsters who swarm all over the Wastes and kill everything they find. There's another thread on them, so I'll end my rant there. |
#13zombiegleemaxNov 30, 2003 23:10:10 | Yes, the Demodands do not look anything like you'd think they would. Actually, there are more types of Daemons than yugoloths methinks (but don't currently have that book so can't say) because there are some weird-@ss ones that definitely don't seem to fit in with the rest. However, Greheleth is just a different name for demos, they're exactly the same thing, not just a part of. I agree about the hordelings, and add an additional "who cares?" to the argument. |
#14zombiegleemaxDec 01, 2003 14:03:30 | Don't forget one of the main reasons fiends eat each other is to prevent resurection. A whole lot of little critters only die permanantly if killed on their home plane. So when you're fightning lemures on the Gray Waste you have to eat them or you'll be fighting the same festering blob of molten flesh tommorow. |
#15zombiegleemaxDec 01, 2003 17:29:12 | When there's an infinite amount of them around anyways, I prefer to dine out. |