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#1 law Nov 20, 2003 20:45:46	Trade Bars In the plane large numbers of coins can be difficult to transport and account for. Many planer traders and merchants prefer to use trade bars, ingots of precious metals and alloys likely to be accepted by virtually anyone. Trade bars are stamped or graven with the symbol of the trading coster or government that originally crafted them. A 1-pound trade bar of copper (also known as a green bar) has a value of 5 sp, a 1-pound silver bar (also known as a pain stick) is valued at 5 gp, a 1-pound gold bar (also known as a janky bar) is valued at 50 gp, a 1-pounts platinum bar (also known as a mert bar) is valued at 500 gp. Electrum bars are never made as they would rather use the metal to make the other types of bars. Trade bars typically come in 1-, 2-, 5-, and 10-pound weights. Platinum trade bars are very rare. Only the wealthiest and most powerful trarders and merchants smelt these bars, since only the largest transactions require a currency with such a high face value. In Acheron theres is another common type of trade bar. A 1-pound iron trade bar (also know as a Archy bar) are worth 1 gp in archeron and 1 sp in other places. How do they look? (got the idea from the FR Campaign Setting.)
#2 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 20, 2003 21:25:02	Thats a rather neat idea. I especially like the name for the silver trade bars, considering the origin of the name "stinger" for a silver coin. This reminds me of an article on planar currencies that was on mimir a while back.
#3 law Nov 20, 2003 21:28:55	Thats where I got my info and helpt me with the names. If you and any one else want I can see what I can come up with for other planes (and such). I have whats in the mimir plus that in a word doc ill be adding more to it as I go (any ideas you can come with can go into it as well). This might help out the PS sight as a fan thing if you want (would need more then one or two people on that site to add/post whats done).
#4 law Nov 20, 2003 23:40:47	heres another one I just came up with. How does it look to you. Berk Coins (1/2 cp) Prime's new to the plane's liked these coins so much people started to use them for more then joke money over time. They are small brass square coins with a square hole in the middle are worth half a copper piece.
#5 law Nov 20, 2003 23:47:06	just so you know on the trade bars it scales with how many lbs it is. So a 10 lb. thing of platinum would be worth 5,000 gp.
#6 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 2:21:24	Originally posted by law Berk Coins (1/2 cp) Prime's new to the plane's liked these coins so much people started to use them for more then joke money over time. They are small brass square coins with a square hole in the middle are worth half a copper piece. [/b] This reminds me of that note about knights of the post telling clueless that they had to trade in their native currency for "jink" (the supposed currency of Sigil) to buy anything.
#7 law Nov 21, 2003 9:02:15	I think im might be playing on things I realy did not know about :D . I have made some changes (miner ones) to the brass coin and added to the chart I have. If any one whats what I have made plus what was on the mimir just email me. I will be adding to it as I go.
#8 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 10:47:16	Looks good to me, plus it follows the standard rules for comodity trading inthe PHB. Maybe you could include iron bars that are used primarily on acheron? (prices for iron by the lb are in the PHB at the beginning of the equipment section, I'd just tell you but I don't have my PHB with me). Good idea, law, and the names seem consistant with the setting.
#9 law Nov 21, 2003 11:54:19	Ill think on that X5452. theres seams to have ben a change in cost for iron from 2E to 3E so I need to think it out first.
#10 law Nov 21, 2003 13:05:30	heres my update on Acheron steel (not much changed here but how much its worth. Acheron Steel (1 sp on Acheron and 1 cp every place else) From the iron-shod plane of Acheron come steel cubes; small blocks of worked steel with six designs etched onto the faces. These are usually famous battle leaders, the images of Powers or creatures of the plane. On Acheron, steel is a valuable commodity, and cubes are worth the equivalent of silver. Across the rest of the planes however, those who will accept the cubes usually give only copper for them. Heres what I added after the last bit on the trade bars. In Acheron theres is another common type of trade bar. A 1-pound iron trade bar (also know as Clangers bar) are worth 1 gp in archeron and 1 sp in other places. ill go and add that to my first post so you can see it there also.
#11 sildatorak Nov 21, 2003 13:32:37	Maybe instead of an Archy bar is could be called something a little more dignified? Maybe they are called "Clangers" or something. That would go with the sound of the cubes in Acheron banging together, or something like that.
#12 law Nov 21, 2003 13:36:26	thanks ill change the name. Right now im working on one more coin the Adamantine piece (worth twice as much as a PP)
#13 law Nov 21, 2003 14:19:47	ok heres the coin I was talking about. Traders (1 ap) Unsean bye primes and rare in the planes. Adamantine coins are usly used in trading and are usly priced at double what merts are priced at. Mercanes seam to use them a lot for trading in places they don’t want people to know how much money they realy have on them. Might need a little more flaver to it other wise I think it will work. (its in my chart so its easer to see how its priced.)
#14 incenjucar Nov 21, 2003 14:35:41	...Wouldn't iron be the easiest bloody thing to find in Acheron? It would be more of a paper money convenience thing, I'd think.
#15 law Nov 21, 2003 14:40:06	thats the thing was the fisrt the a fan thing that the mimir added on. Or it might be that all the iron has rusted or is in weapons and they cant get it fast anof to use that its worth lots of money there.
#16 incenjucar Nov 21, 2003 14:48:19	..If it was already rusted, it wouldn't really be iron. *gets this vision of an Acheron zillionaire* "Where's you're money?" "You're standing on it, berk."
#17 law Nov 21, 2003 14:55:25	like I was saying I go the base thing off the mimir and it had such a thing. I can always take it off my list you know.
#18 law Nov 22, 2003 12:58:15	Sorry but the first part is off the mimir and the second is how I would price them. Hope you like it other wise all well. Soul Prisms Also from the Lower Planes, and especially Carceri, these prisms superficially resemble the Rainbows of the Upper Planes. However, a berk carrying one of these feels she's being watched constantly. That's probably because she is. If you look closely at a Soul Prism, also called a Cage, you can see a tiny face inside; it even seems to scream. It's the trapped soul of an unlucky petitioner. The value of a Cage depends on the power of the soul trapped inside, and can vary from one gold to a thousand or more. Fiends seem to be able to tell a Cage's value on close inspection, though how remains dark - as does the method of their creation. A soul Prism has a base price equal to 1 gp per hit dice of the soul of the creaure in the prism modifed by whats below Alignment Base Price Modifer based off alignment If Known as a champion of alignment Lawful Good This goes here X 900 X 10 Neutral Good This goes here X 1,000 X 20 Chaotic Good This goes here X 900 X 10 Lawful Neutral This goes here X 10 X 30 Neutral This goes here X 30 X 40 Chaotic Neutral This goes here X 10 X 30 Lawful Evil This goes here X 1 X 100 Neutral Evil This goes here X 5 X 300 Chaotic Evil This goes here X 1 X 100
#19 law Nov 23, 2003 14:49:24	I might add one more but it would not be liked bye thos that dont like union so I might leave it off any list.
#20 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2003 19:26:23	Nice idea on the trade bar and berk's coins, and for those of you who are impressed at the originality of the idea, please check the FRCS book for the almost exact same write-up and ideas :D You should really acknowledge your source Law if you're putting someone else's ideas up on a web forum, it's just plain cheesy otherwise.
#21 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2003 19:29:04	(got the idea from the FR Campaign Setting.) No need for impoliteness.
#22 law Nov 23, 2003 19:29:36	ok I did say that about the bars. The rest berk coins and traders are all mine. The rest are off the mimir. In short I try to be nice and say where I got the ideas from (or what I did with some else idea). There are two other that people made im not posting here, for well they might be fun and all but there in the word doc I have. Plus posting them means I realy need to ask them since I can.
#23 zombiegleemax Nov 24, 2003 2:54:54	Originally posted by law Traders (1 ap) Unsean bye primes and rare in the planes. Adamantine coins are usly used in trading and are usly priced at double what merts are priced at. Mercanes seam to use them a lot for trading in places they don’t want people to know how much money they realy have on them. Secret money! I love it. "What do you mean you can't tell me how much it's worth?"
#24 zombiegleemax Dec 01, 2003 15:09:00	I think steel bars (or the cubes mentioned earlier) would be an effective form of trade on archeron. Making steel there would actually be more difficult then one would originally think. Steel requires carbon to make but the entire sodding plane is all iron. The petioners merge with the plane upon death and so cannot be harvested for carbon then either. Attempting to harvest them for carbon prior to their deaths gets you a wounded soldier which on a plane of warfare is useless. My guess is that additionaly when they died the carbon in your steel weapon would merge with the plane and your weapon would revert to iron. Those are my thoughts on the subject anyways.