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Avangion type: fey, or should it be outsider?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 21, 2003 15:50:00 Should an avangion's type be fey or outsider?

It makes sense to be fey. Fey are the living embodiments of Nature, life, and fertility, which avangions, as living incarnations of preserving magic, seem to embody best.

On the other hand, outsider (minus the extraplanar subtype) seems to fit as well, as avangions definitely have that "otherworldly" quality about themselves.

--opinions? Thoughts? NB
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 21, 2003 20:25:00 I say outsider. Avangions do not really gain power from nature (the way druids do), they just use nature to power their spells.

Druids should be fey (spirit of the land, MM2). Dragons should be dragons (duh!)... and umm, clerical elementals should be elementals (critical duh! x2).
#3
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 21, 2003 23:49:44 I personally shy away from using Outsiders in my own DS games (unless I'm sending the Baatzu hordes spewing from Dregoth's portal to Hell), and have defined Avangons as fey in my campaigns. This arguement, by the way has in fact been brought up before, and if I recall got rather heated, but basically it was pretty much a 50/50 split before about what they should be.
#4
flip
Nov 22, 2003 13:34:53 Specifics of what Avangion's should be aside, I'm pretty well set on the idea that thare are only two Fey races on Athas:

Spirit of the Land and Pyreen.

Fey are nature-creatures ... given the tortured state of Athas I just don't think that there should be all that many nature-creatures floating around anymore ... just the two types that were once the strongest of the fey ... the rest were either wiped out by the champions, or by the degredation of the world wrought by the cleansing wars.
#5
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2003 13:38:33 Ah, but you see, avangions aren't a race; they're a condition of being, the same as the dragons. Athasian dragons have sired offspring and given birth before; the results are never half-dragons or dragons.

--therefore, avangions can be fey and not ruin the "feel" of Athas NB
#6
flip
Nov 22, 2003 13:53:02
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
Ah, but you see, avangions aren't a race; they're a condition of being, the same as the dragons. Athasian dragons have sired offspring and given birth before; the results are never half-dragons or dragons.

--therefore, avangions can be fey and not ruin the "feel" of Athas NB

Yes, and this occured to me about thirty seconds after I hit the send link ...

but I'm still not particularly keen on the idea. :p
#7
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2003 14:37:49 Oh, I totally understand! Avangions could work as outsiders very easily; just don't give them the Extraplanar subtype, and you're gold!

If you decide to make them outsiders, what subtypes would they have? (Other than the "Avangion" subtype. ) I'm thinking Good and Air.

Why Air, you ask? Simple: because as avangions increase in their transfiguration, they become winged things of beauty that no longer walk the soil of Athas. At the highest levels of metamorphosis, avangions leave the ground forever!

--yes, I could easily see avangions as "native outsiders" NB
#8
Pennarin
Nov 22, 2003 21:11:09 If you're trying to put outsider status on the avangion only because of a fugue period it would have in its development, that's not enough IMHO.

How about taking the path of symmetry? after all its what dragons and avangions are about..
Dragons are 'dragon', avangions are something opposite, like 'gossamer'.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 15:50:00	Should an avangion's type be fey or outsider? It makes sense to be fey. Fey are the living embodiments of Nature, life, and fertility, which avangions, as living incarnations of preserving magic, seem to embody best. On the other hand, outsider (minus the extraplanar subtype) seems to fit as well, as avangions definitely have that "otherworldly" quality about themselves. --opinions? Thoughts? NB
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2003 20:25:00	I say outsider. Avangions do not really gain power from nature (the way druids do), they just use nature to power their spells. Druids should be fey (spirit of the land, MM2). Dragons should be dragons (duh!)... and umm, clerical elementals should be elementals (critical duh! x2).
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 21, 2003 23:49:44	I personally shy away from using Outsiders in my own DS games (unless I'm sending the Baatzu hordes spewing from Dregoth's portal to Hell), and have defined Avangons as fey in my campaigns. This arguement, by the way has in fact been brought up before, and if I recall got rather heated, but basically it was pretty much a 50/50 split before about what they should be.
#4 flip Nov 22, 2003 13:34:53	Specifics of what Avangion's should be aside, I'm pretty well set on the idea that thare are only two Fey races on Athas: Spirit of the Land and Pyreen. Fey are nature-creatures ... given the tortured state of Athas I just don't think that there should be all that many nature-creatures floating around anymore ... just the two types that were once the strongest of the fey ... the rest were either wiped out by the champions, or by the degredation of the world wrought by the cleansing wars.
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2003 13:38:33	Ah, but you see, avangions aren't a race; they're a condition of being, the same as the dragons. Athasian dragons have sired offspring and given birth before; the results are never half-dragons or dragons. --therefore, avangions can be fey and not ruin the "feel" of Athas NB
#6 flip Nov 22, 2003 13:53:02	Originally posted by Nero's Boot Ah, but you see, avangions aren't a race; they're a condition of being, the same as the dragons. Athasian dragons have sired offspring and given birth before; the results are never half-dragons or dragons. --therefore, avangions can be fey and not ruin the "feel" of Athas NB Yes, and this occured to me about thirty seconds after I hit the send link ... but I'm still not particularly keen on the idea. :p
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2003 14:37:49	Oh, I totally understand! Avangions could work as outsiders very easily; just don't give them the Extraplanar subtype, and you're gold! If you decide to make them outsiders, what subtypes would they have? (Other than the "Avangion" subtype. ) I'm thinking Good and Air. Why Air, you ask? Simple: because as avangions increase in their transfiguration, they become winged things of beauty that no longer walk the soil of Athas. At the highest levels of metamorphosis, avangions leave the ground forever! --yes, I could easily see avangions as "native outsiders" NB
#8 Pennarin Nov 22, 2003 21:11:09	If you're trying to put outsider status on the avangion only because of a fugue period it would have in its development, that's not enough IMHO. How about taking the path of symmetry? after all its what dragons and avangions are about.. Dragons are 'dragon', avangions are something opposite, like 'gossamer'.