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#1 b4real Nov 24, 2003 12:03:19	Is Nidala still around and what of Elena Faith-hold? ~B4Real
#2 The_Jester Nov 24, 2003 17:11:00	Think they were mentioned in the 3E campaign setting and by extension the RL: PHB. Although no 3E stats for either until the Gazetteers get there in like five years...
#3 b4real Nov 24, 2003 19:18:30	Originally posted by The_Jester Think they were mentioned in the 3E campaign setting and by extension the RL: PHB. Although no 3E stats for either until the Gazetteers get there in like five years... From what I read in my 2e accessory the chic is some kind of pseudo-religious ex-paladin fanatic without a god. ~B4Real
#4 zombiegleemax Nov 24, 2003 20:52:28	Actually, there's nothing "pseudo" about her religiousness. She truly believes-- and that's what makes her so dangerous. Read up on Torquemada and Robespierre for an idea of what I'm talking about.
#5 darksoldier Nov 24, 2003 22:05:18	Nidala is basically the Spanish Inquisition-- "NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!" Erm, sorry 'bout that. Anyway, Nidala's the Inquisition, and Elena is the High-and-Mighty Grand Inquisitor. Anybody who doesn't do exactly what she wants, how she wants it done, and before she has to ask, gets carted off to the dungeon and tortured into confessing... what, I don't know. She is a 100% certified religious fanatic; she can't access most of her paladin powers (because Belenus has turned away from her), but she believes Belenus is only testing her. She's a whacko; best to avoid the place.
#6 b4real Nov 25, 2003 14:13:29	Originally posted by DarkSoldier Nidala is basically the Spanish Inquisition-- "NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!" Erm, sorry 'bout that. Anyway, Nidala's the Inquisition, and Elena is the High-and-Mighty Grand Inquisitor. Anybody who doesn't do exactly what she wants, how she wants it done, and before she has to ask, gets carted off to the dungeon and tortured into confessing... what, I don't know. She is a 100% certified religious fanatic; she can't access most of her paladin powers (because Belenus has turned away from her), but she believes Belenus is only testing her. She's a whacko; best to avoid the place. She might make a great antagonizer for high-level paladin PC's. What do you think? ~B4Real
#7 platinumwarlock Nov 27, 2003 16:32:16	It'd provide a definite contrast, but it'd be difficult...if only for her legions of followers and servants. I could easily see her accusing the PCs of following "false gods" and proclaiming them as heathens or heretics. That happens within her own community continually, so it's not a stretch by any means. Plus, any well-run Paladin would choke on his lance before stepping near the so-called 'morality' conveyed by Elena. If you can do it, though, more power to you. It'd be quite the task for any PC to take on a foe such as her.
#8 b4real Dec 01, 2003 13:10:23	Originally posted by Platinumwarlock It'd provide a definite contrast, but it'd be difficult...if only for her legions of followers and servants. I could easily see her accusing the PCs of following "false gods" and proclaiming them as heathens or heretics. That happens within her own community continually, so it's not a stretch by any means. Plus, any well-run Paladin would choke on his lance before stepping near the so-called 'morality' conveyed by Elena. If you can do it, though, more power to you. It'd be quite the task for any PC to take on a foe such as her. You think that she would be too strong for a group of 10th-level pc's ? ~B4Real
#9 platinumwarlock Dec 01, 2003 13:37:01	Considering that I don't know her stats (even from 2e...I don't have them), it's hard for me to judge. Her, on her own, in single combat...probably not too hard. However, that probably won't ever be the case. She'd almost always have an armed retinue around her, of skilled fighters and clerics, who would be more than willing to defend their ruler. As such, I think it would be very difficult for PCs to take her down. It's almost the same way with Vlad Drakov. He's not THAT tough, as a fighter, but he'll always be surrounded by his Talons, which more than levels the playing field in his favor.
#10 b4real Dec 01, 2003 13:47:34	Originally posted by Platinumwarlock Considering that I don't know her stats (even from 2e...I don't have them), it's hard for me to judge. Her, on her own, in single combat...probably not too hard. However, that probably won't ever be the case. She'd almost always have an armed retinue around her, of skilled fighters and clerics, who would be more than willing to defend their ruler. As such, I think it would be very difficult for PCs to take her down. It's almost the same way with Vlad Drakov. He's not THAT tough, as a fighter, but he'll always be surrounded by his Talons, which more than levels the playing field in his favor. I have her 2e stats but have not had the time to convert them to 3e for use in my campaign. The adventure that I am reading over now Feast of Goblyns has the pc's interacting with the Darklords alot. Is Feast of Goblyns the adventure that the pc's kill the lord of Gundarak in? ~B4Real
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 01, 2003 14:20:36	Duke Gundar's death is part of the meta-plot, so it never happens in a published adventure. Which strikes me as a bummer, because it would have been the only core Darklord that was ever killed by PCs...Soth was taken care of for us, and so was Gundar. I suppose you could count Azalin, but he let us do it so he could come back stronger in the Grand Conjunction, and then he did it to himself in the Grim Harvest. He keeps dying, but we don't get to enjoy it...
#12 b4real Dec 01, 2003 14:25:45	Originally posted by Chaderick Duke Gundar's death is part of the meta-plot, so it never happens in a published adventure. Which strikes me as a bummer, because it would have been the only core Darklord that was ever killed by PCs...Soth was taken care of for us, and so was Gundar. I suppose you could count Azalin, but he let us do it so he could come back stronger in the Grand Conjunction, and then he did it to himself in the Grim Harvest. He keeps dying, but we don't get to enjoy it... That is kind of corny that the actual players do not get to partake of the death of a darklord. Do they actually wind up meeting Duke Gundar in the FoG adventure? And who is Dr. Dominiani? ~B4Real
#13 zombiegleemax Dec 01, 2003 14:49:42	... In one of the Secrets of the Kargatane netbooks (http://www.kargatane.com/sorrows/bosorpdf.zip), she has an advisor named Theokos, who is an excellent way to add some raw power to any battle in Nidala.... Also, he adds a little more color and background to Nidala as a whole...
#14 b4real Dec 01, 2003 14:58:32	Originally posted by Cole Deschain ... In one of the Secrets of the Kargatane netbooks (http://www.kargatane.com/sorrows/bosorpdf.zip), she has an advisor named Theokos, who is an excellent way to add some raw power to any battle in Nidala.... Also, he adds a little more color and background to Nidala as a whole... Thanks for the link. I was not aware that we could still go to the Kargatane site to view the netbooks. I will have to create a link to the netbooks on my messageboard. ~B4Real
#15 darksoldier Dec 01, 2003 16:22:22	Don't the PCs get involved in Gundar's death in Feast of Goblyns?
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 01, 2003 16:30:48	No. It's not covered in the GC series. Gundar's death takes place between Feast of Goblyns and Ship of Horror.
#17 b4real Dec 01, 2003 16:58:30	Originally posted by Drinnik Shoehorn No. It's not covered in the GC series. Gundar's death takes place between Feast of Goblyns and Ship of Horror. Is Ship of Horrors any good? ~B4Real
#18 zombiegleemax Dec 01, 2003 17:05:11	Mneh. It's OK, some tweaking needed. Meredoth's a Nec20, so taking him on, even with a lvl 15 party is still a challenge. There's some fun comic relief with the two geists, but I've forgotten their names. I do remember you have to switch two of the NPC's surnames to make it fit Hyskosa's Hexad.
#19 b4real Dec 01, 2003 17:08:57	Originally posted by Drinnik Shoehorn Mneh. It's OK, some tweaking needed. Meredoth's a Nec20, so taking him on, even with a lvl 15 party is still a challenge. There's some fun comic relief with the two geists, but I've forgotten their names. I do remember you have to switch two of the NPC's surnames to make it fit Hyskosa's Hexad. 15th level party? Well I will not be getting that one off of ebay anytime soon. ~B4Real
#20 keg_of_ale Dec 01, 2003 17:30:16	I think Drinnik has been a little unfair with this product. As a module, it really works. It features a very good cursed ship, interesting ghosts, and a very intriguing undead family. What's more, it has good means to instill terror without needing to have the PCs killed/reanimated as in many other modules. Not to mention its the only product to date to have info on the Graben Island (and surrounding isles) in the Nocturnal Sea. Not a waste of money by any means (though I souldn't exactly be one to talk, I downloaded it from the kargatane at the time it was legally free...)
#21 b4real Dec 01, 2003 17:35:39	Originally posted by Keg of Ale I think Drinnik has been a little unfair with this product. As a module, it really works. It features a very good cursed ship, interesting ghosts, and a very intriguing undead family. What's more, it has good means to instill terror without needing to have the PCs killed/reanimated as in many other modules. Not to mention its the only product to date to have info on the Graben Island (and surrounding isles) in the Nocturnal Sea. Not a waste of money by any means (though I souldn't exactly be one to talk, I downloaded it from the kargatane at the time it was legally free...) I think it is still free here on the WizO's site. I like the actual modules though. ~B4Real