I am looking for 3.0/3.5 stats for Ariakas. I plan on using him in a campaign, but i havent been able to find anything on this.
If anyone could help, that would be great.
And unfortunately, my DM wanted his DLCS back, so I won't be making those stats in a while.
And what's a 13th-level Wizard of High Sorcery? You mean like a 4th-level Wizard/9th-level Wizard of High Sorcery or something.
But that's just my take on it. This is another one of those cases in DL where people have to decide amongst themselves which road to take.
So if you wanna make a Cleric/Tactician then go for it, but don't call him Ariakas. You're free to alter the world to suit your campaign, but if you're going to do that then you could just make the leader of the dragonarmies a cleric with a different name.
Hope I didn't upset anyone, just my two cents.
So if you wanna make a Cleric/Tactician then go for it, but don't call him Ariakas. You're free to alter the world to suit your campaign, but if you're going to do that then you could just make the leader of the dragonarmies a cleric with a different name.
Hope I didn't upset anyone, just my two cents.
Originally posted by icemanjmw
Well, Udjat actually this isn't one of those cases where people have to decide which road to take. If you wanna make stats Ariakas as he was then he would be a wizard/x. As Twilight Herald stated, in DoSD Tanis saw that he was a wizard, and Raistlin commented to Caramon that he had rid himself of the one wizard who could have been a problem to him.
So if you wanna make a Cleric/Tactician then go for it, but don't call him Ariakas. You're free to alter the world to suit your campaign, but if you're going to do that then you could just make the leader of the dragonarmies a cleric with a different name.
Hope I didn't upset anyone, just my two cents.
I don't see what's wrong with naming him "Ariakas", since the only "official" game statistics for him have him as a fighter/cleric (in "Dragons of Triumph"). According to Tracy Hickman, he only changed him from a cleric to a magic-user in the novels because they already dealt with an evil cleric in "Dragons of Autumn Twilight" (namely Verminaard.) I guess it depends on which source you want to follow, but since we're talking about the game here, I tend to feel that the fighter/cleric version's more legit.
Originally posted by icemanjmw
but don't call him Ariakas.
Don't worry, I won't.
I'll call him Ariakus* :D
BTW, is it just me, or is there something wrong with a 23rd-level cleric not having 8th-level spells? If this is actually how it is, then 2nd edition was even more weirder than I thought.
*That's what he's called in the modules.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
[b]BTW, is it just me, or is there something wrong with a 23rd-level cleric not having 8th-level spells? If this is actually how it is, then 2nd edition was even more weirder than I thought.
Cleric and druid spells in 1E and 2E only went up to 7th level. :-)
Matthew L. Martin
Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin
Cleric and druid spells in 1E and 2E only went up to 7th level. :-)
As I said, the earlier editions are even more weirder than I thought.
Well, I'll raise his cleric level so that he can cast 9th-level spells, since he's supposed to have spells like astral projection and such.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
As I said, the earlier editions are even more weirder than I thought.
God, I feel old.
Back in my day, cleric spells only went up to 7th level - and we were glad!
Then again, Dark Sun had 10th level spells.
Back in my day, cleric spells only went up to 7th level - and we were glad!
Ha! Back when *we* used to play, our DM would only limit us to 3rd level spells, AND we had to pay him to only kill our *characters*!
Ahem.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
God, I feel old.
Back in my day, cleric spells only went up to 7th level - and we were glad!
Then again, Dark Sun had 10th level spells.
Is it wrong that I had a split-second image of Dana Carvey enter my mind when I read that
Soooo.....anyway....back on topic
Who here feels that Ariakas should be a wizard and who feels he should be a cleric. I, myself, feel that he would be much more interesting as a wizard. As Trampas said on another thread, him as a Gray robe prototype would be very interesting. That and Verminaard fills the role of Fighter/Cleric, so we might as well have a wizard.
But wasn't Feal-thas a wizard also? I need to go back and read more stuff, because now I am confusseded.
With Int 13. :D
Ariakus also has an Intelligence score of 13.
Back in my day, cleric spells only went up to 7th level - and we were glad!Ha! Back when *we* used to play, our DM would only limit us to 3rd level spells, AND we had to pay him to only kill our *characters*!
Oh well way back when *we* played, we only had one 1d4 and we had to use it to make all the other dice rolls while outside in the freezing snow 'cause all of our money went to buying the core books.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Feal-Theas was indeed a wizard...
With Int 13. :D
Ummm....well....crap...
Oh well, then we need a competent wizard :P
(Feal-thas could cast 3rd level spells though, just everyone would make the save since he is such a god-awful wizard).
We had to make do with flipping a marble, playing in a tar pit, paying the DM in blood so he could sacrifice to his Dark Gods to provide him with only half a copy of the PHB that included no spells! When I say we cast 3rd level, I meant we *thought* they were 3rd level, because our characters were on the top of a building!
Originally posted by pddisc
You had a d4? You were lucky!
We had to make do with flipping a marble, playing in a tar pit, paying the DM in blood so he could sacrifice to his Dark Gods to provide him with only half a copy of the PHB that included no spells! When I say we cast 3rd level, I meant we *thought* they were 3rd level, because our characters were on the top of a building!
Did any of you ever have to resort to using "Paper-Scissors-Rock" like we did? There are few things sadder than seeing a group of nerds huddled around the corner of the cafeteria wagging fists at one another. It's a wonder nobody ever tried to beat us up. I guess being social pariahs was supposed to be bad enough...
Going back on topic, I vote for the fighter-cleric Ariakas (Ariakus) since he was supposed to be Takhisis' favorite. I don't think she'd favor someone who worshiped Nuitari over her.
Oh well way back when *we* played, we only had one 1d4 and we had to use it to make all the other dice rolls while outside in the freezing snow 'cause all of our money went to buying the core books.
Back in my day, my DM had us roll 5d6 under an ability score for an ability score check. Intelligence checks were bad for my Kagonesti with the Int of 8.
I came up with a bard with a strength of 4 and the rest pretty good.
Ariakus, Emperor of Dragons
Male Civilized Human 17th-level Cleric of Takhisis/9th-level Legendary Tactician
Str 15, Dex 12, Con 11, Int 13, Wis 22, Cha 17
Lawful Evil
Domains: Destruction and Evil
More will come after I get my hands on the DLCS
LV's, possible feats he should have,skills, and equipment?
Originally posted by themind
Let me get back to the topic here, what would you do if you went the Wizard route with Ariakas.
LV's, possible feats he should have,skills, and equipment?
Propably something like Enchanter7/WoHS10/LT9. I'd propably trade some wizard and WoHS levels to War Mage levels, but I haven't got the Age of Mortals book yet.
I wonder what spell he used to protect himself in Dragons of Spring Dawning.
Ariakas:
Wizard 4/WoHS 8/War Mage 5/Legendary Tactician 9 (Assuming that meats the LT reqs, no book at work.)
Str: 13 Con: 12 Dex 10 Int: 22 Wis: 11 Cha: 16
Lawful Evil
edit: I liked White Sorcerer's idea better. I added in the War Mage levels as well.
I wonder what spell he used to protect himself in Dragons of Spring Dawning.
It was probably Shield or Magic Circle against Good or something like that.
Originally posted by themind
It was probably Shield or Magic Circle against Good or something like that.
I'll propably go with magic circle against good.
and just so I feel like I contributed, I would put Ariaka(u)s at about
Fighter 5/Wizard 7/WoHS 5/War Mage 3/Legendary Tactician 5
Ftr 3 / Wiz 4 / WoHS 10 / LT 3
except I'll add 3 more lvs to LT, something tells me by the time that they fight Ariakas they about this lv and be able to fight him with some difficulty.
So
Ftr 3 / Wiz 4 / WoHS 10 / LT 6
is what I'm going to go with for now, unless soemthing comes up.
Thanks for everyone's help
Originally posted by Kossie
Does no-one else think that a Chosen of Takhisis prc needs to be added also??
No, because her chosen change at the drop of a friggin hat.
Originally posted by Kossie
Does no-one else think that a Chosen of Takhisis prc needs to be added also??
Originally posted by Daedavias
No, because her chosen change at the drop of a friggin hat.
And Takhisis tells everyone who happens to be working for her that they are her chosen. ;)
How about adding War Mage to him? Perhaps in place of some of his WoHS levels? It would seem to fit the character pretty well.
Tales of the Lance never changed the character. The repackaged Dragonlance Classics for 2nd edition AD&D didn't, and even the 15th anniversary dual-stat SAGA/AD&D Dragonlance Classics supermodule keeps his DL14 stats (and his SAGA stats are fairly nondescript, as most SAGA stats are).
Truly, if next year's War of the Lance sourcebook (or any other Sovereign Press product) provides his stats as a wizard, it will be the first official presentation of the character that matches the novels.
Cheers,
Cam
When I ran DL1-14 in 3E, I placed him as at Ftr 10 / Clr 23 (or something close to that). The campaign started long before the DLCS came out, so all of the new PrC's were not an option. In order to give a nod to the book's having him be a wizard, I put in a mention in-game that he used to train at the Tower of Wayreth, but he abandoned the art so long ago that he doesn't remember any of that training (in other words, he lost the Wiz levels). It severed as a good function to have a wizard know a 'little' about Ari and could give the info to the PCs before they went into the climax. It worked well.
I understand he was originally presented as a wizard, but that was changed later on when he was listed as a cleric-fighter, which is what the novel portrayed. If he was a wizard, why's he always portrayed wearing dragonarmour?
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
Honestly, you guys should read "Emperor of Ansalon." There's no way he was a wizard, let alone a WizHS. In the novel, he's all warrior with some divine guidance thrown in. By the end of it, he'd be all ready to skyrocket in cleric levels (if he hadn't already).
I understand he was originally presented as a wizard, but that was changed later on when he was listed as a cleric-fighter, which is what the novel portrayed. If he was a wizard, why's he always portrayed wearing dragonarmour?
EoA has several problematic issues which make it debatable as to whether it's canon at all. And he was described as a wizard in the Chronicles which, if any books, should be canon (and he was originally presented as a cleric in gaming material and was then switched to wizard by W&H because Verminaard was already one). In other words, it's a mess.
Also, highlord armor doesn't restrict spellcasting.
Originally posted by jonesy
Also, highlord armor doesn't restrict spellcasting.
No? I didn't know that. What's the source?
I don't have a problem if people want to make Ariakas a wizard. It's there campaign afterall. But if you're trying to figure out what "best" reflects Ariakas, you need to consider the source material. And the best source of source material is Emperor of Ansalon. Ariakas is barely in the Chronicles while EoA is devoted to him. Sure there may be stuff in EoA that isn't consistent, but when taken on the whole it gives a much better impression of Ariakas as a fighter-cleric than a black-robed wizard (which comes from what, a single sentence in Chronicles?).
I think this is a case where a lot of people would LIKE Ariakas to be a wizard, and use a shred of evidence to support it. But when you look at ALL the evidence, he's really a fighter-cleric.
Also, highlord armor doesn't restrict spellcasting.
Or was that not as much as other armor?
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
As for canon, they wrote an entire book about Ariakas. I would consider that as canon as you can get. Even the Chronicles have inconsistencies. If canon is only what's in the Chronicles, then talk of giving Ariakas prestige classes goes out the window (along with 90% of what's written about Dragonlance).
I don't have a problem if people want to make Ariakas a wizard. It's there campaign afterall. But if you're trying to figure out what "best" reflects Ariakas, you need to consider the source material. And the best source of source material is Emperor of Ansalon. Ariakas is barely in the Chronicles while EoA is devoted to him. Sure there may be stuff in EoA that isn't consistent, but when taken on the whole it gives a much better impression of Ariakas as a fighter-cleric than a black-robed wizard (which comes from what, a single sentence in Chronicles?).
I think this is a case where a lot of people would LIKE Ariakas to be a wizard, and use a shred of evidence to support it. But when you look at ALL the evidence, he's really a fighter-cleric.
Just because there is a book about something particular doesn't necessarily make it canon (completely or partially). Best case in point: the entire Double Diamond Triangle in FR is total hogwash.
Now granted, I liked EoA (apart from the crazy deus ex machina sword), but I still have major problems with some of the things it presents to the reader. But if Chronicles says something, and something else says something else, I'm going to go with what the Chronicles says. You are of course free to see it however you want. :whatsthis
If anyone has his first or second ed stats, please post them.
Ariakas has never cracked open a spell book in his life.
It was rather insidious really but actually I ran it as an adventure in our games set six years prior to the war of the Lance. I only just found my old notes that triggered the memory from a flashback game.
Ariakas appeared out of nowhere at the Towers of High Sorcery and began working fabulous magical miracles before the other Black Robes and did things no other wizard had ever done.
He could cast spells without reading spell books
He could equal the greatest of conclave masters in spell duels
He had spells no one had ever seen or heard of
Some even said his chants sounded like nothing ever seen or heard of before
Most astonishingly was he appeared to have the power to HEAL!
He passed the test easily of course.
The then White Robed Wizard Valance was the one to deduce Ariakus's secret; that he was in fact the first Cleric to return to Krynn. Takhasis had put him in a Black Robe, told Nuthari to but out of it, and sent him to love amongst the mages after completing the beginnings of assembling her armies.
It was here Ariakus made friends with a great number of Magical "muscles" that would prove invaluable in the war of the Lance including his toady Dracart whom would create the Draconians.
A few were recruited as clerics but mostly the "new magic" that caught their eye was simply doled out by Nuthari as generous amounts of spell books, power increases, true names, and faustian bargains mixed with temporal power for joining up with Taky's armies
So yes Ariakas is a Black Robe but he's also not a wizard
He just had access to all their most intimate knowledes (it was a way of educating the mercenary further too)