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#1
Ryltar_Swordsong
Dec 03, 2003 18:59:13 http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70790

A new planes book is coming out in July.

What do you hope to see in it?
#2
zombiegleemax
Dec 03, 2003 19:32:35 A verdegris cover and DiTerlizzi art.

I can dream, can't I...?
#3
zombiegleemax
Dec 03, 2003 19:46:25 We all can. PS is my second favourite setting, after Ravenloft.
#4
zombiegleemax
Dec 03, 2003 20:18:25 Nothing really really stupid. I.E. Factions back in Sigil. Stats for the Lady. What else?
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 03, 2003 20:20:51 I'd like the option Factions. After all, in the MotP it does say that Sigil is ruled by factions!

I'd like to see more about playing planar races, like stats for Rogue Modrons, charts for tiefling abilities like in the PWHB, maybe something like that for Aasimar.
#6
zombiegleemax
Dec 03, 2003 20:47:24 That's why i said nothing stupid. Since FW is canon they should stick to canon. ARGH1
#7
eagleye
Dec 04, 2003 2:42:33 won't this just be the Planewalker's Handbook converted to 3E?

http://www.flash.net/~brenfrow/ps/ps-hb.jpg
#8
zombiegleemax
Dec 04, 2003 4:15:25 or worse: the MOTP updated to 3.5E.
#9
Ryltar_Swordsong
Dec 04, 2003 6:23:13 I'd like to see a little paragraph that says Union was destroyed.

I never liked FW, so if they decide to ignore it and describe Sigil as still being run by Factions, I won't get my underwear in a twist.
#10
zombiegleemax
Dec 04, 2003 6:46:28 well, to counter my earlier argument: the MoTP was a DM's book, while the Planewalker's Handbook was a player's. So, there is some hope left after all :D.

Anyways, if it's good, it'll be used; if it ain't, I'll just stick to the original.
#11
zombiegleemax
Dec 04, 2003 23:50:34 For one thing I would like them to make sense of what's canon and what's not. In this category three things come immediately to mind, Blood War, Die Vecna Die, and Faction War--all of which have some pretty nutty stuff in them that doesn't quite mesh with things out of context.

I don't have anything against anyt of those (well, maybe DVD) but things should be cleared up once and for all.

Other than that.... I have a fear that if they put something I want into there, they'll mess it up. I have more faith in our PS3E team, as they have the knowledge and the enthusiasm to get stuff right.
#12
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 6:12:04 From other threads, my impression is that the PS3E folks accept all three of those (ie FW, BW and DVD). FW is obviously and definitely in - just read that Factions chapter again.

I'll allow them to use the Lady's Statblock, but I still want to leave it as Product Identity. Just in case, and all.

If Wizzards just player-ise the MoP, then I'll happily ignore it. If Wizzards 3.5-ise PS stuff, then I'll buy it, burn it, and dance on the ashes. If Wizzards leave PS to the PS3E people, then I'll be happy.

PS by Wizzards... *twitches - see? *

(NOTE: To all concerned 3.5 fans, I do indeed have the feat Twitch [general], and I'm aligned Cynical Neutral.)
#13
Ryltar_Swordsong
Dec 05, 2003 6:37:49 Persephone, nearly all the Cutters I've come across have said DVD was screed spouted off by a barmy bleaker rattling his bonebox.
#14
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 9:57:12 DVD -is- mostly screed. It's a wannabe Planescape adventure that committed the grave and mortal sin of trying to explain the Lady.

Shemeska's told us before, though, that Planewalker accepts most of the events in DVD as canon, but the explanations and other fluff behind Vecna, the Serpent, and Her Serenity are not actually approved.

And Persephone, cynical neutral is a great alignment to be...only because it's neutral, though.

Anyway, in the Planar's handbook, I'd like to see more importance placed on the roles of the exemplars who aren't celestials or fiends. The multiverse isn't about celestials and fiends, which is something those leatherheads up in Wizards should understand. Most importantly I want to see more about the little that is known about us, the Rilmani, without giving away any of our secrets. Then I want to see more about the slaadi and (grudgingly) the modrons. However, since neutrality, law and chaos seem to have absolutely no importance to the Wizards, I won't hold my breath. This Rilmani is starting to become a little bit jaded with WotC Planar anything
#15
winter_ayars
Dec 05, 2003 23:03:04 I think part of the reason WOTC is ignoring neutrality is that the vast majority of the players out there (if these boards are any indication...) think neutrals are "fence sitters" or "apathetic" or even "munchkins" and generally have very poor (though misinformed, i suspect) opinions on neutrality in general. "A book on neutrality? What a silly idea. You couldn't actually fill a whole book on neutrality anyway." seems to be the mindset.
#16
zombiegleemax
Dec 06, 2003 3:32:52 I'm not so sure they're ignoring it. The BoED mentioned something called the Book of Perfect Balance; which, by its name alone, would fit very well with the BoVD and BoED. But, of course, this is speculation.
#17
zombiegleemax
Dec 06, 2003 5:53:39 Ryltar, I only said it was canon from what I've seen thus far. That doesn't mean it's any more right or wrong - in fact, I've no interest in the DVD stuff at all.

Either way, it's not like there'll be raids to check your gaming group accepts DVD or not.
#18
zombiegleemax
Dec 09, 2003 22:16:57 Personally I think Wizards should stay out of the Planes and either lease, sell, or expand the license. Won't happen but a fellar can dream.

What I hope not to see in it is stats for the Lady. A repeat of what they did to the Lord of the Ninth would be a sad mistake. Although if they let a dark or two slip about Her I'd be interested in that part.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Ryltar_Swordsong Dec 03, 2003 18:59:13	http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70790 A new planes book is coming out in July. What do you hope to see in it?
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2003 19:32:35	A verdegris cover and DiTerlizzi art. I can dream, can't I...?
#3 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2003 19:46:25	We all can. PS is my second favourite setting, after Ravenloft.
#4 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2003 20:18:25	Nothing really really stupid. I.E. Factions back in Sigil. Stats for the Lady. What else?
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2003 20:20:51	I'd like the option Factions. After all, in the MotP it does say that Sigil is ruled by factions! I'd like to see more about playing planar races, like stats for Rogue Modrons, charts for tiefling abilities like in the PWHB, maybe something like that for Aasimar.
#6 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2003 20:47:24	That's why i said nothing stupid. Since FW is canon they should stick to canon. ARGH1
#7 eagleye Dec 04, 2003 2:42:33	won't this just be the Planewalker's Handbook converted to 3E? http://www.flash.net/~brenfrow/ps/ps-hb.jpg
#8 zombiegleemax Dec 04, 2003 4:15:25	or worse: the MOTP updated to 3.5E.
#9 Ryltar_Swordsong Dec 04, 2003 6:23:13	I'd like to see a little paragraph that says Union was destroyed. I never liked FW, so if they decide to ignore it and describe Sigil as still being run by Factions, I won't get my underwear in a twist.
#10 zombiegleemax Dec 04, 2003 6:46:28	well, to counter my earlier argument: the MoTP was a DM's book, while the Planewalker's Handbook was a player's. So, there is some hope left after all :D. Anyways, if it's good, it'll be used; if it ain't, I'll just stick to the original.
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 04, 2003 23:50:34	For one thing I would like them to make sense of what's canon and what's not. In this category three things come immediately to mind, Blood War, Die Vecna Die, and Faction War--all of which have some pretty nutty stuff in them that doesn't quite mesh with things out of context. I don't have anything against anyt of those (well, maybe DVD) but things should be cleared up once and for all. Other than that.... I have a fear that if they put something I want into there, they'll mess it up. I have more faith in our PS3E team, as they have the knowledge and the enthusiasm to get stuff right.
#12 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 6:12:04	From other threads, my impression is that the PS3E folks accept all three of those (ie FW, BW and DVD). FW is obviously and definitely in - just read that Factions chapter again. I'll allow them to use the Lady's Statblock, but I still want to leave it as Product Identity. Just in case, and all. If Wizzards just player-ise the MoP, then I'll happily ignore it. If Wizzards 3.5-ise PS stuff, then I'll buy it, burn it, and dance on the ashes. If Wizzards leave PS to the PS3E people, then I'll be happy. PS by Wizzards... twitches - see? (NOTE: To all concerned 3.5 fans, I do indeed have the feat Twitch [general], and I'm aligned Cynical Neutral.)
#13 Ryltar_Swordsong Dec 05, 2003 6:37:49	Persephone, nearly all the Cutters I've come across have said DVD was screed spouted off by a barmy bleaker rattling his bonebox.
#14 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 9:57:12	DVD -is- mostly screed. It's a wannabe Planescape adventure that committed the grave and mortal sin of trying to explain the Lady. Shemeska's told us before, though, that Planewalker accepts most of the events in DVD as canon, but the explanations and other fluff behind Vecna, the Serpent, and Her Serenity are not actually approved. And Persephone, cynical neutral is a great alignment to be...only because it's neutral, though. Anyway, in the Planar's handbook, I'd like to see more importance placed on the roles of the exemplars who aren't celestials or fiends. The multiverse isn't about celestials and fiends, which is something those leatherheads up in Wizards should understand. Most importantly I want to see more about the little that is known about us, the Rilmani, without giving away any of our secrets. Then I want to see more about the slaadi and (grudgingly) the modrons. However, since neutrality, law and chaos seem to have absolutely no importance to the Wizards, I won't hold my breath. This Rilmani is starting to become a little bit jaded with WotC Planar anything
#15 winter_ayars Dec 05, 2003 23:03:04	I think part of the reason WOTC is ignoring neutrality is that the vast majority of the players out there (if these boards are any indication...) think neutrals are "fence sitters" or "apathetic" or even "munchkins" and generally have very poor (though misinformed, i suspect) opinions on neutrality in general. "A book on neutrality? What a silly idea. You couldn't actually fill a whole book on neutrality anyway." seems to be the mindset.
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 06, 2003 3:32:52	I'm not so sure they're ignoring it. The BoED mentioned something called the Book of Perfect Balance; which, by its name alone, would fit very well with the BoVD and BoED. But, of course, this is speculation.
#17 zombiegleemax Dec 06, 2003 5:53:39	Ryltar, I only said it was canon from what I've seen thus far. That doesn't mean it's any more right or wrong - in fact, I've no interest in the DVD stuff at all. Either way, it's not like there'll be raids to check your gaming group accepts DVD or not.
#18 zombiegleemax Dec 09, 2003 22:16:57	Personally I think Wizards should stay out of the Planes and either lease, sell, or expand the license. Won't happen but a fellar can dream. What I hope not to see in it is stats for the Lady. A repeat of what they did to the Lord of the Ninth would be a sad mistake. Although if they let a dark or two slip about Her I'd be interested in that part.