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Platinum Knight; Inappropriate For Dragonlance?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 6:29:25 My group's DM and I recently had a lengthy discussion regarding the Platinum Knight from Draconomicon, and he said he wouldn't allow it, as it didn't fit the setting very well. I asked him, why it wouldn't fit in smoothly with the setting and told me, that only the highest ranking Knights of Solamnia would become Platinum Knights. As I understand it, a Platinum Knight is a person, who has become a good friend of the metallic dragons WITHOUT being a part of the Knights of Solamnia, so I would say that his arguments don't work very well.

The character in question is an Aasmiar Paladin who would benefit very much from this prestige class, and I can't really see why he shouldn't be able to take it as long as he meets the prerequisites.

But what do you people think about the prestige class? Do you see any problems with an aasmiar paladin taking it?
#2
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 6:38:22 I think its a cool class, and while it certainly wouldn't be the norm, I'd definitely allow it.
#3
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 7:08:31 Wasn't the Platinum Knight from BoED? Or maybe i'm getting confused because that one just got Platinum armor.
#4
The_White_Sorcerer
Dec 05, 2003 7:30:04
Originally posted by Naga_Slayer
Wasn't the Platinum Knight from BoED?

Nope, the vassal of Bahamut is from the BoED.
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 7:36:49 If your DM is letting you play both an aasimar and a paladin, I don't think he can stop you playing a platinum knight because 'it doesn't fit the setting'.
#6
sweetmeats
Dec 05, 2003 7:47:37 I looked at the Platinum Knight when I was deciding what is suitable for a DL game and rejected it because it sort of replaces the Solanic Knight, and since the Solamnic Knights are a part of canon dragonlance I'd rather keep them.

PrC's are something that players should not be able to pick and choose as they wish. Not every PrC is meant to be used, especially not if it doesn't fir the DM's view of the setting used.
PrC's are a reward not just another path that a player can take.
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 8:07:15 Plus, your DM gets the final say. If you argue with him too much, you'll get eaten by a dragon. Well, in game, anyway. Why doesn't your aasimar try and join the Solamnic Knights?
#8
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 8:25:32 Thanks for the feedback, people. Of course I will accept my DM's ruling on the matter. I just questioned his reasons for doing so. I know prestige classes are rewards, but let's face it; unless you make some decent character planning, you're going to end up with a very poor character. That's my experience, anyway.
#9
Dragonhelm
Dec 05, 2003 10:11:53 Personally, I think the Platinum Knight is a very good fit for Dragonlance.

I understand the argument about the role of the Knights of Solamnia, but then again, that’s why the paladin is non-standard. Their role is taken by the Knights of Solamnia.

The Platinum Knight is basically a champion of Bahamut (or Paladine, in DL) who fights against evil dragons. Not all of Paladine’s champions are knights. While the Platinum Knight may have “knight” in its name, this does not signify that he is part of an organized knighthood.

I don’t see the Platinum Knight as being any different than the paladin in regards to playability in Dragonlance. It would probably be best left as “non-standard”, but I wouldn’t eliminate it as a possibility.
#10
daedavias_dup
Dec 05, 2003 10:54:04 DH, would you think that they would only work pre-Chaos War? Seeing as Paladine was absent for the entire Pre-WoS Age of Mortals, and now he is a mortal himself, would the class be completely unfitting now? Or would you think that the occasional champion of Kiri-Jolith or Mishakal(this one is more likely than the former, at least in my opinion) take up the platinum knight PrC?
#11
Dragonhelm
Dec 05, 2003 11:04:50
Originally posted by Daedavias
DH, would you think that they would only work pre-Chaos War? Seeing as Paladine was absent for the entire Pre-WoS Age of Mortals, and now he is a mortal himself, would the class be completely unfitting now? Or would you think that the occasional champion of Kiri-Jolith or Mishakal(this one is more likely than the former, at least in my opinion) take up the platinum knight PrC?

I think they would work best pre-Chaos War as followers of Paladine. They would work exceptionally well in the War of the Lance, Third Dragon War, and perhaps even the Chaos War (focusing on blue dragons).

They could work for Kiri-Jolith as well, most likely after the War of Souls, as he’s taking on his father’s mantle to a degree.

I don’t see them as followers of Mishakal, as she’s the goddess of healing. Perhaps after the War of Souls, but I think that’s a stretch.
#12
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 14:16:01 Okay, I'm the big bad DM in question, and my reason for not allowing the Platinum Knight, though I think it's a kewl class, is simply because the KoS take up the organized part of associating with dragons, while the Dragon Rider PrC from the DLCS sorta fills the part of non-KoS befriending dragons.
The reason I wouldn't allow it was so you didn't replace the DLCS PrC with non-DL PrC just cuz they look better.

When it comes to dragons and gods in DL I'm pretty strict as they are the trademark of the setting, and if you mess with that, then you might as well be playing any non-descript setting. Other than that I allow pretty much anything as long as the player can provide reasonable arguments why it should be allowed.

I allow everything from the Draconomicon book except two or three PrC.
#13
cam_banks
Dec 05, 2003 14:24:25
Originally posted by Eylwn Highmoon

When it comes to dragons and gods in DL I'm pretty strict as they are the trademark of the setting, and if you mess with that, then you might as well be playing any non-descript setting. Other than that I allow pretty much anything as long as the player can provide reasonable arguments why it should be allowed.

Preserving the flavor of the game is always an excellent reason to disallow certain classes or class combinations. You've provided a fairly good argument against using the Platinum Knight, though if I may I'd like to shed further light on the subject.

If this is a post-War of Souls campaign, you'll find that the gods are much more direct in trying to re-establish their connections to mortals. In my DL campaign, one of the players is a favored soul, from the Miniatures Handbook. We discussed it, and although it seems a lot like a mystic, in Dragonlance the class would represent a specific champion or agent of a deity. In this case, it was Habbakuk, who had specifically chosen the character to be his representative and champion outside of the usual Holy Orders of the Stars.

So, consider the notion that sometimes a deity goes directly to a character. It happened on several occasions in the books, with avatars and manifestations showing up to present characters with gifts, advice, or patronage. A platinum knight makes an excellent unique character chosen by one of the gods (Kiri-Jolith, for example) to act as his champion outside of any organisation. If you consider that KJ is now having to assume some of Paladine's duties, getting additional help from mortals isn't out of the question.

Cheers,
Cam
#14
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 15:12:38 As I stated earlier, I'm not trying to undermine the organized contact with the dragons that the Knights of Solamnia have. The Platinum Knight would make for one of the rare few that befriend dragons and protect them gaining the grace of Kiri-Jolith who has taken over some of Paladine's duties. The Dragon Riders are a completely different matter.

And the question is not really whether we are trying to make this a "non-descript" campaign setting, but a matter of making the setting our own. Just because it says one thing in one book, it doesn't necessarily rule out ANY other alternative.
#15
Dragonhelm
Dec 05, 2003 15:19:36
Originally posted by Eylwn Highmoon
Okay, I'm the big bad DM in question, and my reason for not allowing the Platinum Knight, though I think it's a kewl class, is simply because the KoS take up the organized part of associating with dragons, while the Dragon Rider PrC from the DLCS sorta fills the part of non-KoS befriending dragons.
The reason I wouldn't allow it was so you didn't replace the DLCS PrC with non-DL PrC just cuz they look better.

I can definitely understand this point of view. I’m sort of like you in that I’ll allow just about anything, so long as the player provides a reasonable explanation for it.

I think the other test one can have is whether or not this class fills a unique role for the setting. Certainly, it would fit to have a champion of Paladine (and to a lesser degree, Kiri-Jolith) in the setting, especially one that battled against chromatic dragons. On the flipside, the platinum knight is like the paladin in a way in that the role of a heroic and knightly champion is already filled by the Knights of Solamnia.

What about the dragon rider? I guess that depends on how you feel about how the platinum knight works with the dragonrider prestige class in the Draconomicon. It would be the same sort of relationship.

You may approach this differently as well. Ask yourself…if you allow this class, will it take away from the DL feel? Certainly, I think some classes would, such as the arcane archer and arcane trickster.

So there are two approaches. Does it have the DL feel? Or…Does it take away from the DL feel? Or ask both.

If I were to allow a platinum knight, I would take one of two approaches. First, the knight would have to be a member of the Knights of Solamnia. He would be a knight trained to work with dragons of light, but would moreso be a champion against the dragons of dark. Consider it a specialized KoS role.

The other option (and perhaps the more interesting one), is that the platinum knight is a crusader for Paladine that works outside the organization of the Knights of Solamnia. Perhaps Paladine feels the knighthood has too much corruption, or he needs a champion that doesn’t answer to anyone. Perhaps the KoS aren’t around. Or perhaps this is a rogue knight that doesn’t follow the ways of a knighthood that doesn’t seem to care for the average person.

There’s a thousand takes on this.

Don’t think of yourself as the “big bad DM”. You’re a DM who is trying to maintain a certain flavor in your game. Your player disagrees with you on this flavor. This doesn’t make any one of you right or wrong, it just means that you two define Dragonlance slightly differently, as do we all.

My advice would be to come up with some sort of compromise. Allow the platinum knight if the player can meet certain things. Make certain he can make a unique role for the PrC that is not otherwise duplicated in DL. For example, tell your player that he can play it so long as it is different from the KoS and dragon rider in some fashion.

Also, you may consider upping the requirements. If you feel that such a character would only be a higher-level knight, then require him to be a member of the Sword Knights.

Anyway, I hope that both player and DM can work together to find a compromise that will suit both of their needs.
#16
zombiegleemax
Dec 05, 2003 17:27:47 Well, we haven't solved the particular issue regarding the Platinum Knight, but the player in question (it's not me) has chosen to play a Swashbuckler instead, so there's no need to keep discussing our little problem. We'll take it up again once when the need arises. But thanks for the feedback, you've been very helpful.
#17
ferratus
Dec 06, 2003 3:07:40
Originally posted by Dragonhelm

You may approach this differently as well. Ask yourself…if you allow this class, will it take away from the DL feel? Certainly, I think some classes would, such as the arcane archer and arcane trickster.

What's the difference between the arcane trickster and the spellfilch? They fill pretty much the same role in the setting, that of rogue/spellcaster.

As for arcane archer, I think there is plenty of room for them among the elven sorcerers in the 5th Age.

As for the Platinum Knight, I don't think the Knights of Solamnia should be allowed to monopolize knightly heroics, and they can certainly exist side by side. I myself use paladins as chosen warriors of the gods, knights-errant in service to the various temples of good, so certainly the Platinum Knight could serve a similar function. Heck, Valthonis himself might even found such an organization.

That said, the DM can choose to allow or disallow any rules that she wishes.
#18
Dragonhelm
Dec 06, 2003 8:26:22
Originally posted by ferratus
What's the difference between the arcane trickster and the spellfilch? They fill pretty much the same role in the setting, that of rogue/spellcaster.

This is where the sorcerer comes in. I wouldn't really allow the arcane trickster or spellfilch for the WoHS (at least not without a good background), but they fit the sorcerer quite well.

As for arcane archer, I think there is plenty of room for them among the elven sorcerers in the 5th Age.

I agree.

Note that those were just quick examples I came up with. They aren't the most "Dragonlancey", IMO, but they can definitely be included.

As for the Platinum Knight, I don't think the Knights of Solamnia should be allowed to monopolize knightly heroics, and they can certainly exist side by side. I myself use paladins as chosen warriors of the gods, knights-errant in service to the various temples of good, so certainly the Platinum Knight could serve a similar function.

I'd allow paladins and platinum knights as either members of the KoS, or as Ferratus says here, as chosen warriors of the gods serving outside the knighthood. They're nice and flexible that way.
#19
zombiegleemax
Dec 06, 2003 20:14:17 In Ansalon, the connections between the Solamnics and the good dragons do seem to tie up most humans connections with the good dragons, but the Platinum Knight, as well as the Dragonrider/ Dragon Rider PrCs, might be very viable options for elven or irda champion for good, or even a member of a classic evil race, like the minotaur. even a draconian might find the Platinum Knight to be a good choice.

In Taladas, I would seriously allow any race that can to take the Platinum Knight PrC, as long as he has connections to the dragons there. In the Age of Mortals, I would still allow the class, altering it to be either mystic based (saying the special abilities of the class now come from their close connection to the dragons), or primal sorcery based (saying the class' specials come from a subconscious focusing of primal sorcery towards their dedication and loyalty to the dragons.)
#20
darthsylver
Dec 06, 2003 20:51:31 How about the Spellfilch for “wizard dabblers” who may or may not work for the WoHS occasionally?
#21
zombiegleemax
Dec 07, 2003 13:05:58 The Spellfilch seems to work best with either renegades or sorcerers, but if there doesn't seem to be anything saying a spellfilch can't be a WoHS. The WoHS probably wouldn't hire a renegade to work for them, so a spellfilch, or any character who can cast third level arcane spells would have to take the test, though wizardry doesn't need to be their only interest. Spellfilches, and Arcane Tricksters, would be the Ideal kind of character the WoHS would use for things like artifact recovery misssions, or as part of a renegade hunter team. They are the kind of characters the WoHS would most likely send to get information regarding those who oppose the WoHS, such as the Thorn Knights. I can easily see the heads of all three Robes employing them as arcane spies, using them to keep tabs on possible renegades, as well as members of the orders who the conclave does not entirely trust. Using them as agents in the "recovery" of magical items, spellbooks, and even formulae that the Order considers dangerous in the hands of non-members, even if those non-members were the ones who created it.

I could easily envision the Spellfilch and the Arcane Trickster to be the front line in a shadow war between the Thorns and the Towers, or to be independently employed explorers of places like the sunken city of Istar, the various ruins found in the Ergoth Islands, or the PrCs of choice amongst wizardly Kender.
#22
zombiegleemax
Dec 07, 2003 21:56:52 May or may not work for the WoHS?

If you're only a dabbler and not skilled enough to be a WoHS then they'll have nothing to do with you. If you're powerful enough to join and don't... you're a Renegade and must be hunted.

Sorry.

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#1 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 6:29:25	My group's DM and I recently had a lengthy discussion regarding the Platinum Knight from Draconomicon, and he said he wouldn't allow it, as it didn't fit the setting very well. I asked him, why it wouldn't fit in smoothly with the setting and told me, that only the highest ranking Knights of Solamnia would become Platinum Knights. As I understand it, a Platinum Knight is a person, who has become a good friend of the metallic dragons WITHOUT being a part of the Knights of Solamnia, so I would say that his arguments don't work very well. The character in question is an Aasmiar Paladin who would benefit very much from this prestige class, and I can't really see why he shouldn't be able to take it as long as he meets the prerequisites. But what do you people think about the prestige class? Do you see any problems with an aasmiar paladin taking it?
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 6:38:22	I think its a cool class, and while it certainly wouldn't be the norm, I'd definitely allow it.
#3 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 7:08:31	Wasn't the Platinum Knight from BoED? Or maybe i'm getting confused because that one just got Platinum armor.
#4 The_White_Sorcerer Dec 05, 2003 7:30:04	Originally posted by Naga_Slayer Wasn't the Platinum Knight from BoED? Nope, the vassal of Bahamut is from the BoED.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 7:36:49	If your DM is letting you play both an aasimar and a paladin, I don't think he can stop you playing a platinum knight because 'it doesn't fit the setting'.
#6 sweetmeats Dec 05, 2003 7:47:37	I looked at the Platinum Knight when I was deciding what is suitable for a DL game and rejected it because it sort of replaces the Solanic Knight, and since the Solamnic Knights are a part of canon dragonlance I'd rather keep them. PrC's are something that players should not be able to pick and choose as they wish. Not every PrC is meant to be used, especially not if it doesn't fir the DM's view of the setting used. PrC's are a reward not just another path that a player can take.
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 8:07:15	Plus, your DM gets the final say. If you argue with him too much, you'll get eaten by a dragon. Well, in game, anyway. Why doesn't your aasimar try and join the Solamnic Knights?
#8 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 8:25:32	Thanks for the feedback, people. Of course I will accept my DM's ruling on the matter. I just questioned his reasons for doing so. I know prestige classes are rewards, but let's face it; unless you make some decent character planning, you're going to end up with a very poor character. That's my experience, anyway.
#9 Dragonhelm Dec 05, 2003 10:11:53	Personally, I think the Platinum Knight is a very good fit for Dragonlance. I understand the argument about the role of the Knights of Solamnia, but then again, that’s why the paladin is non-standard. Their role is taken by the Knights of Solamnia. The Platinum Knight is basically a champion of Bahamut (or Paladine, in DL) who fights against evil dragons. Not all of Paladine’s champions are knights. While the Platinum Knight may have “knight” in its name, this does not signify that he is part of an organized knighthood. I don’t see the Platinum Knight as being any different than the paladin in regards to playability in Dragonlance. It would probably be best left as “non-standard”, but I wouldn’t eliminate it as a possibility.
#10 daedavias_dup Dec 05, 2003 10:54:04	DH, would you think that they would only work pre-Chaos War? Seeing as Paladine was absent for the entire Pre-WoS Age of Mortals, and now he is a mortal himself, would the class be completely unfitting now? Or would you think that the occasional champion of Kiri-Jolith or Mishakal(this one is more likely than the former, at least in my opinion) take up the platinum knight PrC?
#11 Dragonhelm Dec 05, 2003 11:04:50	Originally posted by Daedavias DH, would you think that they would only work pre-Chaos War? Seeing as Paladine was absent for the entire Pre-WoS Age of Mortals, and now he is a mortal himself, would the class be completely unfitting now? Or would you think that the occasional champion of Kiri-Jolith or Mishakal(this one is more likely than the former, at least in my opinion) take up the platinum knight PrC? I think they would work best pre-Chaos War as followers of Paladine. They would work exceptionally well in the War of the Lance, Third Dragon War, and perhaps even the Chaos War (focusing on blue dragons). They could work for Kiri-Jolith as well, most likely after the War of Souls, as he’s taking on his father’s mantle to a degree. I don’t see them as followers of Mishakal, as she’s the goddess of healing. Perhaps after the War of Souls, but I think that’s a stretch.
#12 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 14:16:01	Okay, I'm the big bad DM in question, and my reason for not allowing the Platinum Knight, though I think it's a kewl class, is simply because the KoS take up the organized part of associating with dragons, while the Dragon Rider PrC from the DLCS sorta fills the part of non-KoS befriending dragons. The reason I wouldn't allow it was so you didn't replace the DLCS PrC with non-DL PrC just cuz they look better. When it comes to dragons and gods in DL I'm pretty strict as they are the trademark of the setting, and if you mess with that, then you might as well be playing any non-descript setting. Other than that I allow pretty much anything as long as the player can provide reasonable arguments why it should be allowed. I allow everything from the Draconomicon book except two or three PrC.
#13 cam_banks Dec 05, 2003 14:24:25	Originally posted by Eylwn Highmoon When it comes to dragons and gods in DL I'm pretty strict as they are the trademark of the setting, and if you mess with that, then you might as well be playing any non-descript setting. Other than that I allow pretty much anything as long as the player can provide reasonable arguments why it should be allowed. Preserving the flavor of the game is always an excellent reason to disallow certain classes or class combinations. You've provided a fairly good argument against using the Platinum Knight, though if I may I'd like to shed further light on the subject. If this is a post-War of Souls campaign, you'll find that the gods are much more direct in trying to re-establish their connections to mortals. In my DL campaign, one of the players is a favored soul, from the Miniatures Handbook. We discussed it, and although it seems a lot like a mystic, in Dragonlance the class would represent a specific champion or agent of a deity. In this case, it was Habbakuk, who had specifically chosen the character to be his representative and champion outside of the usual Holy Orders of the Stars. So, consider the notion that sometimes a deity goes directly to a character. It happened on several occasions in the books, with avatars and manifestations showing up to present characters with gifts, advice, or patronage. A platinum knight makes an excellent unique character chosen by one of the gods (Kiri-Jolith, for example) to act as his champion outside of any organisation. If you consider that KJ is now having to assume some of Paladine's duties, getting additional help from mortals isn't out of the question. Cheers, Cam
#14 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 15:12:38	As I stated earlier, I'm not trying to undermine the organized contact with the dragons that the Knights of Solamnia have. The Platinum Knight would make for one of the rare few that befriend dragons and protect them gaining the grace of Kiri-Jolith who has taken over some of Paladine's duties. The Dragon Riders are a completely different matter. And the question is not really whether we are trying to make this a "non-descript" campaign setting, but a matter of making the setting our own. Just because it says one thing in one book, it doesn't necessarily rule out ANY other alternative.
#15 Dragonhelm Dec 05, 2003 15:19:36	Originally posted by Eylwn Highmoon Okay, I'm the big bad DM in question, and my reason for not allowing the Platinum Knight, though I think it's a kewl class, is simply because the KoS take up the organized part of associating with dragons, while the Dragon Rider PrC from the DLCS sorta fills the part of non-KoS befriending dragons. The reason I wouldn't allow it was so you didn't replace the DLCS PrC with non-DL PrC just cuz they look better. I can definitely understand this point of view. I’m sort of like you in that I’ll allow just about anything, so long as the player provides a reasonable explanation for it. I think the other test one can have is whether or not this class fills a unique role for the setting. Certainly, it would fit to have a champion of Paladine (and to a lesser degree, Kiri-Jolith) in the setting, especially one that battled against chromatic dragons. On the flipside, the platinum knight is like the paladin in a way in that the role of a heroic and knightly champion is already filled by the Knights of Solamnia. What about the dragon rider? I guess that depends on how you feel about how the platinum knight works with the dragonrider prestige class in the Draconomicon. It would be the same sort of relationship. You may approach this differently as well. Ask yourself…if you allow this class, will it take away from the DL feel? Certainly, I think some classes would, such as the arcane archer and arcane trickster. So there are two approaches. Does it have the DL feel? Or…Does it take away from the DL feel? Or ask both. If I were to allow a platinum knight, I would take one of two approaches. First, the knight would have to be a member of the Knights of Solamnia. He would be a knight trained to work with dragons of light, but would moreso be a champion against the dragons of dark. Consider it a specialized KoS role. The other option (and perhaps the more interesting one), is that the platinum knight is a crusader for Paladine that works outside the organization of the Knights of Solamnia. Perhaps Paladine feels the knighthood has too much corruption, or he needs a champion that doesn’t answer to anyone. Perhaps the KoS aren’t around. Or perhaps this is a rogue knight that doesn’t follow the ways of a knighthood that doesn’t seem to care for the average person. There’s a thousand takes on this. Don’t think of yourself as the “big bad DM”. You’re a DM who is trying to maintain a certain flavor in your game. Your player disagrees with you on this flavor. This doesn’t make any one of you right or wrong, it just means that you two define Dragonlance slightly differently, as do we all. My advice would be to come up with some sort of compromise. Allow the platinum knight if the player can meet certain things. Make certain he can make a unique role for the PrC that is not otherwise duplicated in DL. For example, tell your player that he can play it so long as it is different from the KoS and dragon rider in some fashion. Also, you may consider upping the requirements. If you feel that such a character would only be a higher-level knight, then require him to be a member of the Sword Knights. Anyway, I hope that both player and DM can work together to find a compromise that will suit both of their needs.
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 05, 2003 17:27:47	Well, we haven't solved the particular issue regarding the Platinum Knight, but the player in question (it's not me) has chosen to play a Swashbuckler instead, so there's no need to keep discussing our little problem. We'll take it up again once when the need arises. But thanks for the feedback, you've been very helpful.
#17 ferratus Dec 06, 2003 3:07:40	Originally posted by Dragonhelm You may approach this differently as well. Ask yourself…if you allow this class, will it take away from the DL feel? Certainly, I think some classes would, such as the arcane archer and arcane trickster. What's the difference between the arcane trickster and the spellfilch? They fill pretty much the same role in the setting, that of rogue/spellcaster. As for arcane archer, I think there is plenty of room for them among the elven sorcerers in the 5th Age. As for the Platinum Knight, I don't think the Knights of Solamnia should be allowed to monopolize knightly heroics, and they can certainly exist side by side. I myself use paladins as chosen warriors of the gods, knights-errant in service to the various temples of good, so certainly the Platinum Knight could serve a similar function. Heck, Valthonis himself might even found such an organization. That said, the DM can choose to allow or disallow any rules that she wishes.
#18 Dragonhelm Dec 06, 2003 8:26:22	Originally posted by ferratus What's the difference between the arcane trickster and the spellfilch? They fill pretty much the same role in the setting, that of rogue/spellcaster. This is where the sorcerer comes in. I wouldn't really allow the arcane trickster or spellfilch for the WoHS (at least not without a good background), but they fit the sorcerer quite well. As for arcane archer, I think there is plenty of room for them among the elven sorcerers in the 5th Age. I agree. Note that those were just quick examples I came up with. They aren't the most "Dragonlancey", IMO, but they can definitely be included. As for the Platinum Knight, I don't think the Knights of Solamnia should be allowed to monopolize knightly heroics, and they can certainly exist side by side. I myself use paladins as chosen warriors of the gods, knights-errant in service to the various temples of good, so certainly the Platinum Knight could serve a similar function. I'd allow paladins and platinum knights as either members of the KoS, or as Ferratus says here, as chosen warriors of the gods serving outside the knighthood. They're nice and flexible that way.
#19 zombiegleemax Dec 06, 2003 20:14:17	In Ansalon, the connections between the Solamnics and the good dragons do seem to tie up most humans connections with the good dragons, but the Platinum Knight, as well as the Dragonrider/ Dragon Rider PrCs, might be very viable options for elven or irda champion for good, or even a member of a classic evil race, like the minotaur. even a draconian might find the Platinum Knight to be a good choice. In Taladas, I would seriously allow any race that can to take the Platinum Knight PrC, as long as he has connections to the dragons there. In the Age of Mortals, I would still allow the class, altering it to be either mystic based (saying the special abilities of the class now come from their close connection to the dragons), or primal sorcery based (saying the class' specials come from a subconscious focusing of primal sorcery towards their dedication and loyalty to the dragons.)
#20 darthsylver Dec 06, 2003 20:51:31	How about the Spellfilch for “wizard dabblers” who may or may not work for the WoHS occasionally?
#21 zombiegleemax Dec 07, 2003 13:05:58	The Spellfilch seems to work best with either renegades or sorcerers, but if there doesn't seem to be anything saying a spellfilch can't be a WoHS. The WoHS probably wouldn't hire a renegade to work for them, so a spellfilch, or any character who can cast third level arcane spells would have to take the test, though wizardry doesn't need to be their only interest. Spellfilches, and Arcane Tricksters, would be the Ideal kind of character the WoHS would use for things like artifact recovery misssions, or as part of a renegade hunter team. They are the kind of characters the WoHS would most likely send to get information regarding those who oppose the WoHS, such as the Thorn Knights. I can easily see the heads of all three Robes employing them as arcane spies, using them to keep tabs on possible renegades, as well as members of the orders who the conclave does not entirely trust. Using them as agents in the "recovery" of magical items, spellbooks, and even formulae that the Order considers dangerous in the hands of non-members, even if those non-members were the ones who created it. I could easily envision the Spellfilch and the Arcane Trickster to be the front line in a shadow war between the Thorns and the Towers, or to be independently employed explorers of places like the sunken city of Istar, the various ruins found in the Ergoth Islands, or the PrCs of choice amongst wizardly Kender.
#22 zombiegleemax Dec 07, 2003 21:56:52	May or may not work for the WoHS? If you're only a dabbler and not skilled enough to be a WoHS then they'll have nothing to do with you. If you're powerful enough to join and don't... you're a Renegade and must be hunted. Sorry.