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#1
zombiegleemax
Dec 07, 2003 14:37:40 Hello everyone,

I have been running a ongoing campaign about a small area of the whole World of Mystara, I am trying to figure out exactly how big Graez is and what the size of the population.

As it is right now, I have been running this campaign online and I have even went so far as to create my own race of Vampiric beings to rule the City, which for my campaign is a County. I am trying to find all the information I can about Graez. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also I am looking for a World Almanac view of the Economy and population, income and import and export of Graez to add to my room.

So please can anyone out there help??

Thank You very much,

Judah Poe Elder of Graez
#2
stanles
Dec 08, 2003 13:48:01
Originally posted by Judah Poe
Hello everyone,

I have been running a ongoing campaign about a small area of the whole World of Mystara, I am trying to figure out exactly how big Graez is and what the size of the population.

As it is right now, I have been running this campaign online and I have even went so far as to create my own race of Vampiric beings to rule the City, which for my campaign is a County. I am trying to find all the information I can about Graez. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also I am looking for a World Almanac view of the Economy and population, income and import and export of Graez to add to my room.

So please can anyone out there help??

Thank You very much,

Judah Poe Elder of Graez

hello Judah

according to the Glantri Gazetteer set in AC 1000 Graez has a population of 1300. THe principality of Aalban is noted for the making of machines, like siege devices, swine herding and derivatirve businesses, like leather, cabbage, potatoes, grain and breweries.

according to Glantri; Kingdom of Magic set in AC 1013 Graez has a population of 1100.
#3
zombiegleemax
Dec 08, 2003 15:37:30 Stanles,

Thank you for the information. If you wish I can give you my AIM so that if I have further questions about Graez and I do maybe you can better clear them up for me?

My AIM is qysas please contact me as I am dire need of help.

Graez as i have it being Built as a entire County instead of a single city. If I am wrong for this please let me know, I do not know much about Mystara exept of what I read from the Dragon Lord Books book one. Also from the box set my dad has. Though I do not rember very well that far back. So anything to help is greatly apreciated.

Judah Poe
#4
stanles
Dec 09, 2003 1:49:02
Originally posted by Judah Poe
Stanles,

Thank you for the information. If you wish I can give you my AIM so that if I have further questions about Graez and I do maybe you can better clear them up for me?

My AIM is qysas please contact me as I am dire need of help.

Graez as i have it being Built as a entire County instead of a single city. If I am wrong for this please let me know, I do not know much about Mystara exept of what I read from the Dragon Lord Books book one. Also from the box set my dad has. Though I do not rember very well that far back. So anything to help is greatly apreciated.

Judah Poe

hey Judah

firstly what is AIM? It probabyl doesn't matter, we can just continue this here if that's OK.

I haven't read the DragonLord books but Greaz in the current day is a town in a Glantrian principality, it isn't even the capital of that principality. If you want more information on Aalban, the principality where Graez is situated there's some stuff on the Vaults.

http://dnd.starflung.com/ritter.html is an article dealing with the economics of the principality.

There's probably some other stuff on Aalban or House Ritterburg as well, I just did a quick search for "Graez" though.
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 09, 2003 17:53:51 Thank you very much,

Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit.

If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do??

Thank You,
#6
stanles
Dec 15, 2003 2:28:04
Originally posted by Judah Poe
Thank you very much,

Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit.

If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do??

Thank You,

Judah, the basic answer si that whatever you do in your campaign world is totally OK, there is no such thing as "wrong" with what you choose to do. What you do may differ from the published material, but that's neither here nor there. Everyone's campaign, even in published campaign worlds, will be slightly different.
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 15, 2003 20:00:46 *nods softly*

Aye I see what you are saying and thank you. My campaign is mostly online and not on tabletop So its even harder and slowler for me to get rps done though there is very little combat mostly its the Noncombat that is done. Talking with people and what not. Very long and drawn out though very fast with experience.

I would like to know if You would allow me to put two things I found on your site onto my site, For my players reference? As it is I am mostly only allowing whats on my website into my campaign. Exept what the PHB offers of course.
#8
stanles
Dec 15, 2003 23:22:48
Originally posted by Judah Poe
*nods softly*

Aye I see what you are saying and thank you. My campaign is mostly online and not on tabletop So its even harder and slowler for me to get rps done though there is very little combat mostly its the Noncombat that is done. Talking with people and what not. Very long and drawn out though very fast with experience.

I would like to know if You would allow me to put two things I found on your site onto my site, For my players reference? As it is I am mostly only allowing whats on my website into my campaign. Exept what the PHB offers of course.

As long as you keep the authors details with the work, then definitely go right ahead Judah.
#9
zombiegleemax
Jan 23, 2004 19:59:09
Originally posted by Judah Poe
Thank you very much,

Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit.

If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do??

Thank You,

You can do whatever you like of course! Modify at wish.

For information though: Graez is not a county, though there are counties in the country it is in. Graez is a town in a Principality, and one that happens to be not particularly vampire-oriented. The culture in Aalban I always saw as sort of Western European, perhaps Dutch or the regions near Denmark and Belgium.
Much more eminently suitable - and also located in the same country as Graez - are the Principalities of either Klantyre or Boldavia. Klantyre is Scottish flavoured, ruled by a mad lich. Boldavia is Eastern European (think Transylvania) and ruled by vampire lords.
Grab a copy of GAZ3 on Ebay for source material, if you like. You won't regret the purchase; its definately one of the very best publications TSR ever did.
#10
katana_one
Jan 24, 2004 9:20:09 I agree with everyone else who says that it's your game and you can do with it anything you wish. If you and your players are having fun with it, then that's all that matters. Those who have never played Mystara before will not know you've changed anything. Those who have played before may notice, but will accept that some things are different from what they remember. It sounds like you put a lot of work into it, so don't change anything just for the sake of being "official."
#11
zombiegleemax
Feb 10, 2004 8:41:44 being a mystaraGM for some 15 years, i´d say that putting vampires in Graez is somewhat of an change, but it´s somewhat do-able. (sure, go and change the things you want to do, i´ll just give you a few reasons on how you can "explain" it if you ever got a long time mystara player at your table. sure, they may be somewhat stretched, but you can always elaborate on them)

1. The prince of Aalban hate elves, as does the prince Boldavia. Thus they are often aligned against the the elves. (the belcadiz elves are somewhat accepted by boldavia since most of them are witches) so to create a new race of vampires as schock troops against the elves might be something prince vlardoen would be interested in. Since most vampireattacks comes from boldavia, it would be clever to set up a vampirebase in the more relaxed Aalban.

2. The heir to the principality of Aalban is the young beautifull princess Juliana Vlardoen who would be one Boldavia would like to sink its fangs into.(both for vampiric lust, and a future puppetprince) several covert attacks were made on her but without succes. Dreading to see his daughter fall into the hands of boldavia the prince of aalban decided to create his own regiment of vampires in order to twarth the plans of boldavia.

3. against all odds, the prince of boldavia has managed to dominate and charm the prince of aalban, and began to use aalban as an breedingground for the new vampiric race away from the watchfull eies of the vampirehunters and underground clerics fighting the undead in glantri. It wouldnt work to turn the aalban prince or his family into vampires as this would set up too powerfull links to boldavia, thus weakening the secresy the project needed

All these plans could make it possible for these new vampires you mention to rise in the political and social hieracy, thus creating a new order where they rule more openly (magic experiments tends to go awry at some time after all)

This could be the background (or a combination of them) which you would have to let the players discover, but it could be fun
;)
Hope i have helped you somewhat along. Cheers, and good gaming
#12
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2004 9:37:33
Originally posted by cassiar
being a mystaraGM for some 15 years, i´d say that putting vampires in Graez is somewhat of an change, but it´s somewhat do-able. (sure, go and change the things you want to do, i´ll just give you a few reasons on how you can "explain" it if you ever got a long time mystara player at your table. sure, they may be somewhat stretched, but you can always elaborate on them)

1. The prince of Aalban hate elves, as does the prince Boldavia. Thus they are often aligned against the the elves. (the belcadiz elves are somewhat accepted by boldavia since most of them are witches) so to create a new race of vampires as schock troops against the elves might be something prince vlardoen would be interested in. Since most vampireattacks comes from boldavia, it would be clever to set up a vampirebase in the more relaxed Aalban.

2. The heir to the principality of Aalban is the young beautifull princess Juliana Vlardoen who would be one Boldavia would like to sink its fangs into.(both for vampiric lust, and a future puppetprince) several covert attacks were made on her but without succes. Dreading to see his daughter fall into the hands of boldavia the prince of aalban decided to create his own regiment of vampires in order to twarth the plans of boldavia.

3. against all odds, the prince of boldavia has managed to dominate and charm the prince of aalban, and began to use aalban as an breedingground for the new vampiric race away from the watchfull eies of the vampirehunters and underground clerics fighting the undead in glantri. It wouldnt work to turn the aalban prince or his family into vampires as this would set up too powerfull links to boldavia, thus weakening the secresy the project needed

All these plans could make it possible for these new vampires you mention to rise in the political and social hieracy, thus creating a new order where they rule more openly (magic experiments tends to go awry at some time after all)

This could be the background (or a combination of them) which you would have to let the players discover, but it could be fun
;)
Hope i have helped you somewhat along. Cheers, and good gaming

Oh that wouldn't work for me. What about Morphail's Vampire Law, against creating new vampires? You'd have to come up with some sudden change of heart there.

Better solution: its a group of vampires who have fled from Boldavia and Morphail, possible tie-in to the Boldavian Liberation Organization.

For Judah Poe's benefit:

Boldavia is a principality in Glantri ruled by Prince Morphail, a vampiric creature. All the nobility of the principality are undead pawns under his control, however, he can only control so many of these vampires and as well, he likes to keep his undead status as much of a secret as possible to avoid war with the other wizard-princes. So he has instituted a law against the spread of vampirism ... and he uses the apparatus of the principality to track down and destroy rogue vampires (as the curse is spreading among the commoners).

A group of rogue vampires in Boldavia has allied together and formed the "Boldavian Liberation Front" to defend themselves. They often hire vampire hunters to kill or kidnap the nobles under Morpail's control. Most suspect this is a simple case of political dissidence and don't realize it is a fight between vampires.

It's entirely conceivable that instead of staying in Boldavia and fighting it out, some of the commoner vampires might have fled to other parts to lie low. They might want to breed more vampires and dream of returning to Boldavia to fight Morphail and his pawns. You could locate groups like this in pretty much any location in Glantri including Graez. And it's entirely conceivable these refugees might rise to some amount of local power, though they would have to keep their nature secret ...

Also, you were asking about the size of Graez etc ... it is a town of about 1300 in Aalban. The Aalbanese are chiefly noted for being very good at making mechanical devices like siege engines, locks, etc. They also have alot of pig-farmers and some industries around that (leather, grease, tallow etc), breweries, and potato and cabbage farms. The Prince of Aalban is Prince Jaggar von Drachenfells, one of the more military type wizard-princes.

But hey ... if you don't have the book and none of your players knows much about Glantri or Mystara why worry about going "by the book?"
#13
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2004 10:04:17 I am sure Morphail would turn a blind eye to the vampire law if it gave him the oppertunity to gain foothold in an entirely new domain/principality.(do as i say, dont do as i do) ;) besides laws in glantri are most of the time put on for show. just look at the werewolf hunting law in morlay-malinbois and nouvelle averoigne, that isnt exactly a law that is being upheld (maybe for terminating troublesome renegades, but thats all) I do think that Morphail strikes hard down on rouge vampires so your idea about vampires seeking refuge in other principality works perfectly as vell.
Cheers.
#14
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2004 17:54:21
Originally posted by cassiar
I am sure Morphail would turn a blind eye to the vampire law if it gave him the oppertunity to gain foothold in an entirely new domain/principality

That's true. In another principality (except perhaps Klantyre) it might be encouraged by Morphail. He could even use it for political leverage, claiming Prince Jaggar is neglecting his responsibilities if the vampires are discovered ...
#15
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 7:13:19
He could even use it as political leverage, claiming Prince Jaggar is neglecting his responsibilities if the vampires are discovered

A common tactic among the enemies of Jaggar when their magical experiments goes havoc ;) Sometimes i think that all that saves Jaggar from political humiliation is his strong link to the glantrian army. In my version of glantri vampires gives Klantyre a wide berth (and with good cause) but Morphail still sends vampires into the principality when they screw up, but choose to remain loyal (not a good idea) or become too powerfull or popular to be controlled (just like the roman senate who send popular or failed senators to far away colonies like germania, Iberia (spain) or brittania)
The deal is prety straightforward.it´s either ; Get some good results and all is forgiven, or ; you are my most trusted servant, deal with Klantyre and i shall make you even more powerfull, because surely you´re not afraid. Hmmm???
Nine in ten times the servant newer returns, leaving Morphail with other things to take care off.
#16
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 8:31:21 Heh ... it is such an amazing setting, Glantri ... normally I find too much detail stifles creativity, but in Glantri for some reason it just opens up possibilities ...
#17
zombiegleemax
Feb 20, 2004 8:05:04 I agree. the glantri gazeteer is the best of the lot. It got so much potential, and if you read between the lines (as peopel often do, when it comes to politics) the potential adventureideas are limitless. I´ve even heard of die hard fanatics of the forgotten realms who have just switched Thay out with glantri. it comes as no surprice that TSR decided to release the glantri boxed set after the karameikos set when they re-released the mystarasetting. both my campagins runs in Norwold, but i just cant resist giving them a short trip to glantri to really blow their shirts.

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#1 zombiegleemax Dec 07, 2003 14:37:40	Hello everyone, I have been running a ongoing campaign about a small area of the whole World of Mystara, I am trying to figure out exactly how big Graez is and what the size of the population. As it is right now, I have been running this campaign online and I have even went so far as to create my own race of Vampiric beings to rule the City, which for my campaign is a County. I am trying to find all the information I can about Graez. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also I am looking for a World Almanac view of the Economy and population, income and import and export of Graez to add to my room. So please can anyone out there help?? Thank You very much, Judah Poe Elder of Graez
#2 stanles Dec 08, 2003 13:48:01	Originally posted by Judah Poe Hello everyone, I have been running a ongoing campaign about a small area of the whole World of Mystara, I am trying to figure out exactly how big Graez is and what the size of the population. As it is right now, I have been running this campaign online and I have even went so far as to create my own race of Vampiric beings to rule the City, which for my campaign is a County. I am trying to find all the information I can about Graez. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also I am looking for a World Almanac view of the Economy and population, income and import and export of Graez to add to my room. So please can anyone out there help?? Thank You very much, Judah Poe Elder of Graez hello Judah according to the Glantri Gazetteer set in AC 1000 Graez has a population of 1300. THe principality of Aalban is noted for the making of machines, like siege devices, swine herding and derivatirve businesses, like leather, cabbage, potatoes, grain and breweries. according to Glantri; Kingdom of Magic set in AC 1013 Graez has a population of 1100.
#3 zombiegleemax Dec 08, 2003 15:37:30	Stanles, Thank you for the information. If you wish I can give you my AIM so that if I have further questions about Graez and I do maybe you can better clear them up for me? My AIM is qysas please contact me as I am dire need of help. Graez as i have it being Built as a entire County instead of a single city. If I am wrong for this please let me know, I do not know much about Mystara exept of what I read from the Dragon Lord Books book one. Also from the box set my dad has. Though I do not rember very well that far back. So anything to help is greatly apreciated. Judah Poe
#4 stanles Dec 09, 2003 1:49:02	Originally posted by Judah Poe Stanles, Thank you for the information. If you wish I can give you my AIM so that if I have further questions about Graez and I do maybe you can better clear them up for me? My AIM is qysas please contact me as I am dire need of help. Graez as i have it being Built as a entire County instead of a single city. If I am wrong for this please let me know, I do not know much about Mystara exept of what I read from the Dragon Lord Books book one. Also from the box set my dad has. Though I do not rember very well that far back. So anything to help is greatly apreciated. Judah Poe hey Judah firstly what is AIM? It probabyl doesn't matter, we can just continue this here if that's OK. I haven't read the DragonLord books but Greaz in the current day is a town in a Glantrian principality, it isn't even the capital of that principality. If you want more information on Aalban, the principality where Graez is situated there's some stuff on the Vaults. http://dnd.starflung.com/ritter.html is an article dealing with the economics of the principality. There's probably some other stuff on Aalban or House Ritterburg as well, I just did a quick search for "Graez" though.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 09, 2003 17:53:51	Thank you very much, Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit. If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do?? Thank You,
#6 stanles Dec 15, 2003 2:28:04	Originally posted by Judah Poe Thank you very much, Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit. If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do?? Thank You, Judah, the basic answer si that whatever you do in your campaign world is totally OK, there is no such thing as "wrong" with what you choose to do. What you do may differ from the published material, but that's neither here nor there. Everyone's campaign, even in published campaign worlds, will be slightly different.
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 15, 2003 20:00:46	nods softly Aye I see what you are saying and thank you. My campaign is mostly online and not on tabletop So its even harder and slowler for me to get rps done though there is very little combat mostly its the Noncombat that is done. Talking with people and what not. Very long and drawn out though very fast with experience. I would like to know if You would allow me to put two things I found on your site onto my site, For my players reference? As it is I am mostly only allowing whats on my website into my campaign. Exept what the PHB offers of course.
#8 stanles Dec 15, 2003 23:22:48	Originally posted by Judah Poe nods softly Aye I see what you are saying and thank you. My campaign is mostly online and not on tabletop So its even harder and slowler for me to get rps done though there is very little combat mostly its the Noncombat that is done. Talking with people and what not. Very long and drawn out though very fast with experience. I would like to know if You would allow me to put two things I found on your site onto my site, For my players reference? As it is I am mostly only allowing whats on my website into my campaign. Exept what the PHB offers of course. As long as you keep the authors details with the work, then definitely go right ahead Judah.
#9 zombiegleemax Jan 23, 2004 19:59:09	Originally posted by Judah Poe Thank you very much, Just basically I chose the wrong thing to use as my location of a race of Vampires? I went as far as to create a whole storyline and everything. The only problem is I sorta mixxed in the Gods of Greyhawk into the Mystaran world becouse as I said I have no clue really whats in Mystara, I more or less chose that as my World for my campaigns becouse I thought it wasnt fully developped like Greyhawk or Dragon Lance, or Forgotten Realms. I wanted something clean and unique yet those of D&D knowledge could visualize and relate a little bit. If you know of a better system or way this could be done?? Or if Me turning the City of Graez into a County is a valid thing to do?? Thank You, You can do whatever you like of course! Modify at wish. For information though: Graez is not a county, though there are counties in the country it is in. Graez is a town in a Principality, and one that happens to be not particularly vampire-oriented. The culture in Aalban I always saw as sort of Western European, perhaps Dutch or the regions near Denmark and Belgium. Much more eminently suitable - and also located in the same country as Graez - are the Principalities of either Klantyre or Boldavia. Klantyre is Scottish flavoured, ruled by a mad lich. Boldavia is Eastern European (think Transylvania) and ruled by vampire lords. Grab a copy of GAZ3 on Ebay for source material, if you like. You won't regret the purchase; its definately one of the very best publications TSR ever did.
#10 katana_one Jan 24, 2004 9:20:09	I agree with everyone else who says that it's your game and you can do with it anything you wish. If you and your players are having fun with it, then that's all that matters. Those who have never played Mystara before will not know you've changed anything. Those who have played before may notice, but will accept that some things are different from what they remember. It sounds like you put a lot of work into it, so don't change anything just for the sake of being "official."
#11 zombiegleemax Feb 10, 2004 8:41:44	being a mystaraGM for some 15 years, i´d say that putting vampires in Graez is somewhat of an change, but it´s somewhat do-able. (sure, go and change the things you want to do, i´ll just give you a few reasons on how you can "explain" it if you ever got a long time mystara player at your table. sure, they may be somewhat stretched, but you can always elaborate on them) 1. The prince of Aalban hate elves, as does the prince Boldavia. Thus they are often aligned against the the elves. (the belcadiz elves are somewhat accepted by boldavia since most of them are witches) so to create a new race of vampires as schock troops against the elves might be something prince vlardoen would be interested in. Since most vampireattacks comes from boldavia, it would be clever to set up a vampirebase in the more relaxed Aalban. 2. The heir to the principality of Aalban is the young beautifull princess Juliana Vlardoen who would be one Boldavia would like to sink its fangs into.(both for vampiric lust, and a future puppetprince) several covert attacks were made on her but without succes. Dreading to see his daughter fall into the hands of boldavia the prince of aalban decided to create his own regiment of vampires in order to twarth the plans of boldavia. 3. against all odds, the prince of boldavia has managed to dominate and charm the prince of aalban, and began to use aalban as an breedingground for the new vampiric race away from the watchfull eies of the vampirehunters and underground clerics fighting the undead in glantri. It wouldnt work to turn the aalban prince or his family into vampires as this would set up too powerfull links to boldavia, thus weakening the secresy the project needed All these plans could make it possible for these new vampires you mention to rise in the political and social hieracy, thus creating a new order where they rule more openly (magic experiments tends to go awry at some time after all) This could be the background (or a combination of them) which you would have to let the players discover, but it could be fun ;) Hope i have helped you somewhat along. Cheers, and good gaming
#12 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2004 9:37:33	Originally posted by cassiar being a mystaraGM for some 15 years, i´d say that putting vampires in Graez is somewhat of an change, but it´s somewhat do-able. (sure, go and change the things you want to do, i´ll just give you a few reasons on how you can "explain" it if you ever got a long time mystara player at your table. sure, they may be somewhat stretched, but you can always elaborate on them) 1. The prince of Aalban hate elves, as does the prince Boldavia. Thus they are often aligned against the the elves. (the belcadiz elves are somewhat accepted by boldavia since most of them are witches) so to create a new race of vampires as schock troops against the elves might be something prince vlardoen would be interested in. Since most vampireattacks comes from boldavia, it would be clever to set up a vampirebase in the more relaxed Aalban. 2. The heir to the principality of Aalban is the young beautifull princess Juliana Vlardoen who would be one Boldavia would like to sink its fangs into.(both for vampiric lust, and a future puppetprince) several covert attacks were made on her but without succes. Dreading to see his daughter fall into the hands of boldavia the prince of aalban decided to create his own regiment of vampires in order to twarth the plans of boldavia. 3. against all odds, the prince of boldavia has managed to dominate and charm the prince of aalban, and began to use aalban as an breedingground for the new vampiric race away from the watchfull eies of the vampirehunters and underground clerics fighting the undead in glantri. It wouldnt work to turn the aalban prince or his family into vampires as this would set up too powerfull links to boldavia, thus weakening the secresy the project needed All these plans could make it possible for these new vampires you mention to rise in the political and social hieracy, thus creating a new order where they rule more openly (magic experiments tends to go awry at some time after all) This could be the background (or a combination of them) which you would have to let the players discover, but it could be fun ;) Hope i have helped you somewhat along. Cheers, and good gaming Oh that wouldn't work for me. What about Morphail's Vampire Law, against creating new vampires? You'd have to come up with some sudden change of heart there. Better solution: its a group of vampires who have fled from Boldavia and Morphail, possible tie-in to the Boldavian Liberation Organization. For Judah Poe's benefit: Boldavia is a principality in Glantri ruled by Prince Morphail, a vampiric creature. All the nobility of the principality are undead pawns under his control, however, he can only control so many of these vampires and as well, he likes to keep his undead status as much of a secret as possible to avoid war with the other wizard-princes. So he has instituted a law against the spread of vampirism ... and he uses the apparatus of the principality to track down and destroy rogue vampires (as the curse is spreading among the commoners). A group of rogue vampires in Boldavia has allied together and formed the "Boldavian Liberation Front" to defend themselves. They often hire vampire hunters to kill or kidnap the nobles under Morpail's control. Most suspect this is a simple case of political dissidence and don't realize it is a fight between vampires. It's entirely conceivable that instead of staying in Boldavia and fighting it out, some of the commoner vampires might have fled to other parts to lie low. They might want to breed more vampires and dream of returning to Boldavia to fight Morphail and his pawns. You could locate groups like this in pretty much any location in Glantri including Graez. And it's entirely conceivable these refugees might rise to some amount of local power, though they would have to keep their nature secret ... Also, you were asking about the size of Graez etc ... it is a town of about 1300 in Aalban. The Aalbanese are chiefly noted for being very good at making mechanical devices like siege engines, locks, etc. They also have alot of pig-farmers and some industries around that (leather, grease, tallow etc), breweries, and potato and cabbage farms. The Prince of Aalban is Prince Jaggar von Drachenfells, one of the more military type wizard-princes. But hey ... if you don't have the book and none of your players knows much about Glantri or Mystara why worry about going "by the book?"
#13 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2004 10:04:17	I am sure Morphail would turn a blind eye to the vampire law if it gave him the oppertunity to gain foothold in an entirely new domain/principality.(do as i say, dont do as i do) ;) besides laws in glantri are most of the time put on for show. just look at the werewolf hunting law in morlay-malinbois and nouvelle averoigne, that isnt exactly a law that is being upheld (maybe for terminating troublesome renegades, but thats all) I do think that Morphail strikes hard down on rouge vampires so your idea about vampires seeking refuge in other principality works perfectly as vell. Cheers.
#14 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2004 17:54:21	Originally posted by cassiar I am sure Morphail would turn a blind eye to the vampire law if it gave him the oppertunity to gain foothold in an entirely new domain/principality That's true. In another principality (except perhaps Klantyre) it might be encouraged by Morphail. He could even use it for political leverage, claiming Prince Jaggar is neglecting his responsibilities if the vampires are discovered ...
#15 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 7:13:19	He could even use it as political leverage, claiming Prince Jaggar is neglecting his responsibilities if the vampires are discovered A common tactic among the enemies of Jaggar when their magical experiments goes havoc ;) Sometimes i think that all that saves Jaggar from political humiliation is his strong link to the glantrian army. In my version of glantri vampires gives Klantyre a wide berth (and with good cause) but Morphail still sends vampires into the principality when they screw up, but choose to remain loyal (not a good idea) or become too powerfull or popular to be controlled (just like the roman senate who send popular or failed senators to far away colonies like germania, Iberia (spain) or brittania) The deal is prety straightforward.it´s either ; Get some good results and all is forgiven, or ; you are my most trusted servant, deal with Klantyre and i shall make you even more powerfull, because surely you´re not afraid. Hmmm??? Nine in ten times the servant newer returns, leaving Morphail with other things to take care off.
#16 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 8:31:21	Heh ... it is such an amazing setting, Glantri ... normally I find too much detail stifles creativity, but in Glantri for some reason it just opens up possibilities ...
#17 zombiegleemax Feb 20, 2004 8:05:04	I agree. the glantri gazeteer is the best of the lot. It got so much potential, and if you read between the lines (as peopel often do, when it comes to politics) the potential adventureideas are limitless. I´ve even heard of die hard fanatics of the forgotten realms who have just switched Thay out with glantri. it comes as no surprice that TSR decided to release the glantri boxed set after the karameikos set when they re-released the mystarasetting. both my campagins runs in Norwold, but i just cant resist giving them a short trip to glantri to really blow their shirts.