Does anyone have a link or something to a page that contains info about Karalas, Sala-Khan and those that are not mentioned all the time, like Ariakas? Who are all the highlords?
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Burger
Originally posted by Burger
So, we are playing the war of the lance, and i faced a challenge last game: to know about who are the highlords...
Does anyone have a link or something to a page that contains info about Karalas, Sala-Khan and those that are not mentioned all the time, like Ariakas? Who are all the highlords?
The original module DL14 Dragons of Triumph, the third Classics revision for AD&D, and the 15th Anniversary Dragonlance Classics super-module all have the information you need.
To summarize:
Ariakas - Red Dragon Highlord
Kitiara - Blue Dragon Highlord
Salah-Khan - Green Dragon Highlord
Lucien - Black Dragon Highlord
Toede - White Dragon Highlord
I believe the novels don't place Toede there in Neraka, making somebody else the White Highlord. Feal-Thas used to be - it's possible Lucien ended up controlling both Black and White.
Some people will try to tell you Salah-Khan wasn't the Green Dragon Highlord. They're wrong. That is all.
Cheers,
Cam
Ariakas was the Red Dragon Highlord and overall commander.
Merinsaard and Kitiara were Blue Wing commanders.
Maldeev was the Black Dragon Highlord
Salah-Khan had the Black Wing or the Green Wing.
Phair Caron had the Red Wing.
Verminaard had the Reds or the Greens.
Toede had Green or White.
Lucien had Blacks, Greens or Whites
Which either means that there are a whole swath of inconsistencies, or that the commands varied and the Highlords switched places depending on their performance (and the commands of Ariakas).
Karalas and Hullek were not highlords, just high
ranking officers.
Originally posted by jonesy
Which either means that there are a whole swath of inconsistencies, or that the commands varied and the Highlords switched places depending on their performance (and the commands of Ariakas).
I think it probably means a little bit of both.
My idea (for Ariakas and Verminaard and Phair Caron) is as follows.
Ariakas was the over all commander of the Dragonarmies. The first Red Dragon Highlord was Phair Caron. Phair was killed (uh...during the invasion of Silvanesti?). At this point, Verminaard takes control of the Red Dragon Army...then he is killed. For a short time, Toede takes control (though he is never a Red Highlord). At which point Ariakas looses his patience. The Red Wing is arguably the strongest and most important and it's leaders keep getting themselves killed, so Ariakas takes matters into his own hands...demotes Toede to the White Highlord (or Green...whatever) and takes control of the Red Wing himself (following the old addage, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself).
So...following the logic of the above rearagement...I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the Highlord possitions changed frequently...either by death of a previous Highlord...or Ariakas shuffling the deck for the best combination.
That's just my take on it.
Would you perhaps want me to dig up the old 'fix' I made that covers every one of them?
Hey! All help is welcome!
BTW, how about the races? Ok, Toede is a hobgoblin, but what about the rest? Is there any elven highlord (Feal-Thas was sort of a dark elf, wasnt he?)?
Originally posted by Brimstone
Phair was killed (uh...during the invasion of Silvanesti?).
Yes, this was in Dalamar the Dark.
Originally posted by talinthas
feal thas was a dark elf; the rest were human. Obviously toade is a hobgob, but he doesnt count =)
No...Toede was a hobgoblin, Toade was human.
;)
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Yes, this was in Dalamar the Dark.
Good...that's what I was thinking.
Phair was also awoman, right? (sorry...it's been several years since I read DtD.)
Originally posted by Brimstone
Phair was also awoman, right? (sorry...it's been several years since I read DtD.)
Like recording artist Liz Phair?
I can just see her as a Dragon Highlord. She'd give Kitiara a run for her money in the bad girl category.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I can just see her as a Dragon Highlord. She'd give Kitiara a run for her money in the bad girl category.
Well...she's definately better looking than Kit. heh heh
First Ariakas becomes commander of the dragon armies and starts training them starting with the Red Wing and the Blue Wing. At about the same time Maldeev is training the Black Wing and Feal-Thas the White.
Once the Reds are ready, Ariakas hands them over to Phair Caron who begins her attack on Silvanesti. Merinsaard gets the Blues. Ariakas starts training the Greens.
When Phair Caron fails to defeat Silvanesti Ariakas gives the Reds to Verminaard who is by this time establishing himself in Pax Tharkas. Khisant kills Maldeev and is sent to Xak Tsaroth, so Salah-Khan takes over the Blacks.
Kitiara takes the Blues when Merinsaard dies. Ariakas sends half of the Green Wing to Verminaard to aid in his search for Berem, and half to Salah-Khan.
Verminaard dies, and Ariakas takes the Reds for himself, Toede gets Verminaard's half of the Greens. Lucien takes the Blacks from Salah-Khan (who still has half of the Green Wing).
Feal-Thas dies, and Ariakas gives the Whites (whose numbers have been sorely dimished due to death and desertion) to Toede, and all of the remaining Greens to Lucien.
When Toede dies, Lucien gets the remaining Whites as well (so Lucien is in command of three badly diminished Wings, the three troublemakers).
Ariakas is killed at Neraka and the dragon armies shrapnel into several smaller units.
Kitiara is then the only remaining highlord (with a full Blue Wing).
So in summary:
Ariakas was the highest ranking commander and personally commanded on the field only the Red Wing.
Merinsaard was the first Blue Wing commander.
Kitiara had the Blue Wing.
Maldeev was the first Black Wing commander.
Salah-Khan had the Green and the Black Wing.
Feal-Thas was the first White Wing commander.
Phair Caron was the first Red Wing commander.
Verminaard had the Reds and the Greens.
Toede had Green and White.
Lucien had Blacks, Greens and Whites.
This might seem like an awful amount of trouble to go to, but actually makes sense when you consider the nature of the three Wings with the most traffic. Green and black dragons are highly independent and selfish creatures, while whites are generally the weakest of all dragons. Ariakas must have been very much hard-pressed to find commanders who best fit to those Wings. As for the traffic in the Red Wing, it had as it's commander the current 'chosen' Highlord of Takhisis (Phair Caron, Verminaard and Ariakas) who all died one after the other. The Wing with the least trouble was of course the Blue which, after Merinsaard's death, had the most capable of the Highlords in charge, Kitiara. Salah-Khan and Lucien might have been great soldiers, but when it came to Wing assignments they got very bad cards.
:whatsthis
The Green Dragonarmy was also the one which made the attack on Silvanesti, hence Cyan Bloodbane's involvement. The course of the War is outlined in DL11 Dragons of Glory, and includes all of the above.
It sounds as if several novels written much later in the Villains series worked to change all of the established continuity. That series as a whole introduced a lot of problematic elements and canon issues - I'm not at all sure why that is.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
You're still missing a Green Highlord, who swept in to conquer Khur early in the War but was repulsed and killed by diKyre. Salah, of the Khur tribe, replaced him since he proved to be even more cruel and ruthless than the former Highlord.
The Green Dragonarmy was also the one which made the attack on Silvanesti, hence Cyan Bloodbane's involvement. The course of the War is outlined in DL11 Dragons of Glory, and includes all of the above.
Now you are just inventing problems.
Do what you will with the 'mystery' Highlord.
DtD details how Phair Caron assaulted Silvanesti with the Red Wing and failed. The Red retreated, and Cyan and Viper entered the forest with a plethora of the greens.