As such She allows divine proxies, though they of course have to watch their conduct, but there's a few resident proxies around the city, both confirmed and rumored. Even if the deities cannot themselves enter Sigil they try and have a hand within anyways. But of course if they ever tried to influence events too much they might find themselves looking for a new proxy...
Archfiends, Archcelestials, Slaad Lords, perhaps Modrons of Secundi rank and above (though Primus is rather stationary in Regulus so its a moot point) are all barred from entering Sigil. This likely includes lesser fiendish nobility such as Dukes of Hell and unique Tanar'ri that are not yet rulers of individual layers.
As far as inner planar creatures I can't say for a fact, but it likely would include noble Djinn of all four elemental types, plus any Archomentals would be barred.
Heck, there's instances for pit fiends and balors being barred from Sigil since in general their presence would be rather disruptive. Imagine one of each type meeting in the Hive. The destruction would be not inconsiderable...
When I said noble genies I meant for example the Sultan of the Efreet and some of his immediate lesser ranking nobles in his court. The noble genies in general seem to be less powerful than for example a Duke of Baator. If so then there's no real reason to out and out ban them from Sigil, especially as how more trouble is likely to come of Outer planar persons in Sigil than inner planar ones. Excepting Mephits whose only purpose in life is to both annoy people and serve as things for me to hurt when I feel in the mood to do so.
See Xanxost's theory of "Nobody misses Mephits when they're gone." ;)
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
I don't think anyone's really proven that Asmodeus can leave his realm anyway. I've heard a lot of rumors that he's trapped in Nessus ice and uses a projected image to communicate with his underlings.
Whoa! Whoa! Watch it! Last person I heard spouting that kind of chant turned up a week later in four planes.
Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder
Excepting Mephits whose only purpose in life is to both annoy people and serve as things for me to hurt when I feel in the mood to do so.
See Xanxost's theory of "Nobody misses Mephits when they're gone." ;)
First of all, I can think of plenty around the multiverse who wouldn't miss a coniving jackal-face when she's scribed.
Secondly the Lady has only gotten her blades in a bunch about sods who threaten her hold on the planes. The way I see it, powers are only in the same category as berks who are powerful enough to control realm-sized parts of planes, like the Lords of the Nine, high-up modron berks, or the Tanar'ri Lords who control layers. And, of course, the Archomentals.
The djinni, slaadi, etc. only control little kingdoms, puny things in the face of infinity. You might as well say that the sodding Lich Queen of the githyanki or the heads of the Gate Towns are barred from the Cage.
And why in all the Nine Hells wouldn't Her Serenity allow berks like Flatnose Grim, Byrri Ymoril, or even Quentil Paracs into the Cage? Their naught more than provincial Hoi Polloi. Sure oddities like Wrath and Master Trader wouldn't be able to enter, one's stuck in a mud hole and the other's a walking planar gate... But didn't a creature who's mouth was a Portal show up in the Cage during the time of Four Doors? I heard Estevan may know.
For example, using a wish spell to attempt to alter the city, it'll likely just fizzle. Anything that would impose your will and control over the city itself, and not its inhabitants (after all the old factions did that for over 700 years), is likely to cause trouble for you.
Its ill defined and tricky ground, and likely left to each individual DM to determine what happens. For example in my own campaign, an Artifact known as the Shadow Sorcelled Key (rumored to have been used in canon during the Clueless Rebellion) was found beneath the streets of Sigil and abused to an extent to open portals beneath sods in order to kill them.
The Lady was not pleased. When the key passed into the offenders hand there was a Cagequake from the Hive, to The Lady's Ward, to the Lower Ward. She was not pleased.
Whether The Lady could directly act upon the offending party or not was a curious question, but eventually the person with the key was recalled to Khin-Oin and nearly beaten to within an inch of her life, and returned with the key to Sigil missing an arm and an eye. The key was not abused again. So maybe The Lady could have acted, but knew She didn't need to act because the situation would rectify itself externally...
Her Ladyship's always a tricky subject and most berks can't tell when she's going to act and when she isn't. Maybe she's omniscient or maybe she's barmy. Cryonax knows which is right.
Originally posted by Mephit James
If some berk brings an artifact in, she'll act when she needs to and if she needs to. The Shadow Sorcelled Key business sorted itself out so she didn't step in because she knew it wasn't neccessary.
Exactly!:D
DM: You see a robed lady, with blades for hair and metallic skin, floating above the ground in front of you.
Clueless PC: I shoot her with my assualt rifle.
Flaying, Mazing, and now: Backhanding! What happens when you just go around filching hammers from Dabus? Why, the Lady glides over and slaps you around for a while. She hits hard, and I hear she wears leather gloves under those billowy sleeves.
Either that or permanent exile to the Hive.
*Oh no, it's that barmy imposter who pretends to be Rhys! Disregard everything she just said, as it's all addled screed.*
Originally posted by primemover003
Badmouth Her Serenity all you want... She doesn't care. Pride isn't an emotion that could be attributed to the Lady. And if you were that vociferous in your spouting screed most of the residents of the Cage would just ignore you and eventually avoid you. In fact Cagers would probably take you for a complete Barmy and hip you into the Gatehouse "for observation" thus the Lady needs not worry about you at all.
She only starts caring if people start *believing* what you are saying (its been said once its been said a million times on the outer planes belief is power) and don't avoid you like the plague. Thats when you become a threat and thats when you go away to a happy place. (Well its not happy so much as a horrible exercise in madness if you're mazed or an excruciating death if you're flayed, but you get what I mean.)
Also you don't have to offend the lady to get flayed, all you have to do is get touched by her shadow. Granted she does flay people deliberately as well, but if someone doesn't get out of the way and the shadow passes over them...well, the newly formed sanitation guild has its work cut out for them.
Originally posted by nick012000
Yes, but what would happen in the following situation:
DM: You see a robed lady, with blades for hair and metallic skin, floating above the ground in front of you.
Clueless PC: I shoot her with my assualt rifle.
Well I doubt that The Lady would manifest into a situation such as that. She seems to have an uncanny sense of when and where to appear to avoid such situations with the Clueless, and to appear only when needed (even if it seems at random there at the moment).
But if indeed some leatherheaded clueless did something as suicidal as that I would think The Lady wouldn't pause to so much as regard them, but instead Her shadow would instantly leap out and turn the bullet into a hundred bits of white hot slag to scatter across the street. Her shadow wouldn't stop there and the offending sod would be unceremoniously turned into a bloody smear on the pavement in short order. No save. No true ressurection. Just a stare from the DM and the people in Sigil before then ran from the scene, and 4d6 for the player.
Clueless berk's DM: "You flinch as the gun recoils into your shoulder, blinking for just an instant. When you open your eyes, the lady with the blades and robes is gone."
Clueless berk's Player: "Is there any blood?"
DM: "No. In fact, as you look around, it seems like everyone else scattered off. No one is around at all."
Player: "I'll go look for someone to tell me what just happened."
