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#1 zerpentor Dec 21, 2003 3:03:00	was reading the text attached to the Silencer of Bodach and it states that it was wielded by a guy named Irikos, Rajaat's right hand man (or was it left?) but he wasnt one or the Champions, so my question is... who is this guy really, what was his role, was he the one to bring down the City-state of Bodach, why was he killed.. etc etc.
#2 dawnstealer Dec 21, 2003 3:17:36	Keep in mind that the DnD book of artifacts wasn't entirely in-line with the DS world - they just thought it would be cool to have a few artifacts. Also remember that the WC states that the 13 champions are the ones who survived to recent times. There could have been many more champions. Also, there could have been many people who were very great fighters, rogues, or whatever, working for Rajaat that did not have the magical abilities (without Rajaat) to survive into current times. Irikos could easily have been a great military general (read: Fighter) and not had magical abilities at all.
#3 zerpentor Dec 21, 2003 3:26:25	true, but i dont think Rajaat would let a mere general use a weapon as powerful as the Silencer... theres mention of Irikos in Psi artifacts of Athas aswell, so he is not just some typo TSR made =P although he didnt slay the orcs as the book of artifacts states... that was the sweet, cute nutcase Abalach-Re's handywork
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 21, 2003 10:18:36	Psi artifacts of Athas also had some... inconsistancies.
#5 dawnstealer Dec 21, 2003 11:38:53	Heh, that's putting it nicely. Zerp, Bush has access to nuclear weapons. Need I say more? Maybe I do. Rajaat's goal was to kill off all the races to bring back the Blue Age. To do that, he would need many weapons. The sorcerer kings would have had the mental and magical abilities to survive to present time, but to assume that Rajaat had no military commanders is foolhardy. Basically, Xlor is right: those two Artifact books were rife with inconsistancies, 'ware the information within. If you absolutely must use them, then come up with a story to explain it like I did: Irikos was a (fighter) champion of Rajaat, leading many of the Cleansing war armies against enemies that were well-entrenched against magical foes. Irikos was a (magician) champion of Rajaat, there to make sure the other champions were doing their jobs and cleaning up there messes. Irikos was halfling champion. Okay, he wouldn't be able to wield the sword, then, but you get the point. Short answer is: there is nothing in any (official) DS book about who Irikos was. Just make it up and be consistent in your campaign. Good luck!
#6 zerpentor Dec 22, 2003 4:19:15	right, I'm just gonna slap Irikos into the Bodach seat of power and make my own damn story
#7 nytcrawlr Dec 22, 2003 21:16:56	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Heh, that's putting it nicely. Zerp, Bush has access to nuclear weapons. Need I say more? ROFL! What I did was this: It's mentioned in Lynn Abbey's book RaFoaDK, Hamanu talks about how Kalak was not a real champion and was just able to ride the coattails of one which helped him in taking over Tyr. So I went with this, except I changed the race that Kalak went after to say Irikos was the champion against them instead and Kalak just helped Irikos a bit in order to get what he needed to take over Tyr. It wasn't till later that Kalak became a SK thanks to the decapitated heads of Sacha and Wyan. That's what I'm doing with that inconsistency anyways.
#8 dawnstealer Dec 22, 2003 22:56:50	Well, Nyt, I agree with everything you said, but "RaFoaDK?" I know what it stands for, but wouldn't that make a great name for a villain! "Rofadik of the hill people."
#9 nytcrawlr Dec 22, 2003 22:59:32	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Well, Nyt, I agree with everything you said, but "RaFoaDK?" I know what it stands for, but wouldn't that make a great name for a villain! "Rofadik of the hill people."
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 23, 2003 10:27:53	To those who DON'T know what it stands for. RaFoaDK = Rise and Fall of a Dragon King
#11 dawnstealer Dec 23, 2003 11:23:02	I like "Rofadik of the Hill People" better.
#12 Pennarin Dec 23, 2003 13:26:34	Originally posted by NytCrawlr It's mentioned in Lynn Abbey's book RaFoaDK, Hamanu talks about how Kalak was not a real champion and was just able to ride the coattails of one which helped him in taking over Tyr. Can you specify where you read that, cause I sure didn't... 'come read the answer after xmas... must go now... ho! ho! ho! everyone
#13 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 24, 2003 10:21:19	It was in Rise and Fall of a Dragon King. Please, keep up with the conversation
#14 dawnstealer Dec 24, 2003 11:34:55	I think he's asking where in the book the information sited was located. Well, I have a beach to go surf at, so see you all after "the Holiday Season formerly known as Christmas, but the US has become WAY to PC."
#15 nytcrawlr Dec 29, 2003 11:08:20	Originally posted by Pennarin Can you specify where you read that, cause I sure didn't... 'come read the answer after xmas... All I can say is "read the book", can't remember exactly where the passage is, but it's there. Been years since I read it, and don't plan on reading it again anytime soon. So you can either take my word for it, which most here will attest is right, or not, either way makes no difference to me, I know my DS, heh. ;)
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 30, 2003 11:50:32	I'm almost finished w/ My City of Bodach and Irikos maps and adventure as well as an accessory. I will post soon Very detailed, one problem I love 2nd edition, cant quite get the hang of 3 3.5 or any other addendums yet.
#17 Pennarin Dec 30, 2003 20:39:39	Originally posted by NytCrawlr All I can say is "read the book", can't remember exactly where the passage is, but it's there. Been years since I read it, and don't plan on reading it again anytime soon. So you can either take my word for it, which most here will attest is right, or not, either way makes no difference to me, I know my DS, heh. ;) Nyt, I won’t comment on that statement that you or some or most (or even all) members of the board are knowledgeable in DS. All I can say is you should review some posts on the threads, and must often what you will end up reading (and that is from any member, really) is : ''...I'm not sure but I think...'', ''...in some book it said this [insert absurdly ridiculous or comical element ;)] about Athas...'', or some such. And by ''absurdly ridiculous or comical element'', I don’t include your comment about Kalak in it. Everyone makes such comments; the more knowledgeable members of this board just post them at a lower frequency. To answer your earlier comment, yes I do follow conversations on this board, yes I've read the book, and no on this particular case I will not take your word on it (even if I have respect for you and the valor of your comments), I will take mine. I'll re-read the book and if need be, compile a quotation booklet on everything found in it. It's not as daunting as it looks. I'll post the stuff on the board after the last page as been read. If Kalak did ''ride the coattails of one [champion] which helped him in taking over Tyr'', I'll be the first to put my voice, however small, besides yours. By the way, in the post in which I asked where you read the information on Kalak, I quoted you saying : ''It's mentioned in Lynn Abbey's book RaFoaDK...''. So your answer of ''It was in Rise and Fall of a Dragon King. Please, keep up with the conversation'' was totally unnecessary.
#18 nytcrawlr Dec 30, 2003 21:06:45	Originally posted by Pennarin All I can say is you should review some posts on the threads, and must often what you will end up reading (and that is from any member, really) is : ''...I'm not sure but I think...'', ''...in some book it said this [insert absurdly ridiculous or comical element ;)] about Athas...'', or some such. And by ''absurdly ridiculous or comical element'', I don’t include your comment about Kalak in it. Except that I know I am right in this particular instance, I just don't feel the need to prove to you that I am right. This has been brought up many times on the boards as well as the mailing list, so I'm not sure why you can't accept this as fact. I will take mine. I'll re-read the book and if need be, compile a quotation booklet on everything found in it. It's not as daunting as it looks. If you got the time, energy and desire to do so, then go for it, I don't at this time. I'll post the stuff on the board after the last page as been read. Good. If Kalak did ''ride the coattails of one [champion] which helped him in taking over Tyr'', I'll be the first to put my voice, however small, besides yours. Don't take my quote literal, I don't know what exactly Hammanu said and what the exact quote was. However I do know this, Hammanu did mention that he didn't consider Kalak a true champion and gave a reason for that, what the exact reason is I can't remember, and whether he had a champion help him take over Tyr I could be wrong on as far as literal is concerned. By the way, in the post in which I asked where you read the information on Kalak, I quoted you saying : ''It's mentioned in Lynn Abbey's book RaFoaDK...''. So your answer of ''It was in Rise and Fall of a Dragon King. Please, keep up with the conversation'' was totally unnecessary. Except that you weren't paying attention, because that post wasn't by me, it was by xlorepdarkhelm. ;)
#19 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 30, 2003 21:19:49	Dum-de-dum...
#20 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 31, 2003 6:18:20	Will you runts keep it down? I'm trying to get some sleep. *slams shut the doors to the Blue Shrine*
#21 Pennarin Dec 31, 2003 19:53:37	Sorry Nyt for miss-quoting you, no...make that quoting somebody else as you! Refering to what I said in the post, my posting-up of low quality information as just risen up a bit... :D Anyway, it was difficult trying to say what I wanted to say in the post without sounding like a hard a**. You took it well anyway, so I'm glad. ''Except that I know I am right in this particular instance, I just don't feel the need to prove to you that I am right.'' I don't and didn't want to know which of us had the 'biggest', Nyt... ...just where in the book you found the info. I'm not attacking you, requesting you prove to me anything: I'm querying(?) information from you. Information I don't have. Hope this and the earlier post were made more comprehensible. Sorry again. Sorry Xlorep, too... Happy new year everyone!!:bounce:
#22 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2004 19:40:59	Originally posted by NytCrawlr ROFL! What I did was this: It's mentioned in Lynn Abbey's book RaFoaDK, Hamanu talks about how Kalak was not a real champion and was just able to ride the coattails of one which helped him in taking over Tyr. He was an immortal before the cleansing wars also which confused me. For the beginning of magic being created, they discovered immortality that quickly?
#23 Pennarin Jan 01, 2004 23:42:35	Originally posted by megamania He was an immortal before the cleansing wars also which confused me. For the beginning of magic being created, they discovered immortality that quickly? I don't remember a thread on immortality per say, but this one deals with issues of immortality involving Kalak. Thread
#24 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jan 01, 2004 23:51:36	If I recall, there was a few thousand years from the beginning of the Green Age (and Rebirth races) until the Cleansing Wars. Somewhere in that, Rajaat was born, grew up, invented Arcane Magic, trained many in the ways of the Preserver, and gathered others to become Defilers. He chose from the creme of the crop of his pet Defilers to become his Champions. It wasn't something that happened overnight. I see Rajaat during the period before the Cleansing Wars to be akin to Palpatine from Star Wars - he moves slowly and sets many things into motion to achieve his goals; not someone who just woke up one day and said "Hey, you, get over here, this is Arcane Magic, now become my Champion to wipe out all the Dwarves" one day... After all, he probably had to build up some animosity between the humans and other races (plus safely tuck his pet halflings into a corner of the world).
#25 Pennarin Jan 02, 2004 0:10:06	megamania, an athasian timeline released by TSR way back can be found at the following address, Grummore's site. It is pretty detailled. Go at the address and then check 'Accessories', and then 'Athas Timeline'. Good luck! ;) Timeline
#26 nytcrawlr Jan 02, 2004 14:28:19	Originally posted by Pennarin Sorry Nyt for miss-quoting you, no...make that quoting somebody else as you! No biggie. Anyway, it was difficult trying to say what I wanted to say in the post without sounding like a hard a**. You took it well anyway, so I'm glad. I'm hard to irk. I don't and didn't want to know which of us had the 'biggest', Nyt... I do... jk :D ...just where in the book you found the info. I'm not attacking you, requesting you prove to me anything: I'm querying(?) information from you. Information I don't have. Hope this and the earlier post were made more comprehensible. Sorry again. Ah ok, much clearer. To be honest, I can't remember, and one of these days I will pick that book up again, but just don't have time to hunt for it right now, especially since I can't remember where in the book it exactly said it. If you plan on reading it again and find the information, let me know what page that was, plan on doing a contradiction page and how I made it work in my campaign sort of thing, and it would be good to have the exact reference for once, hehe. Happy new year everyone!!:bounce: Backatcha!
#27 dawnstealer Jan 02, 2004 14:31:42	I agree with Nyt, though, and I know it was mentioned in an earlier post on the old board. At some point, Hamanu claims that Kalak was not a real champion and that his templars were actually powered by Sacha and Wyan.
#28 zombiegleemax Jan 02, 2004 15:33:04	The biggest problem with a time line was the lapse of cohesion between creators. I spent months to creat an extremely detailed timeline based on - 13 novels all adventures published all accessories published dragon magazine articals trading cards and finally what I had cooking in my imagination. Depending on the author, there has been between 700 and 2250 years since the cleansing wars ended. The wars lasted between 200 and 1500 years. When I made my timeline I looked for sensible patterns and went with Rise and Fall's timeline since it was detailed well enough by Hamanu. Typed, it was over 20 pages. I keep meaning to retype into into the computer to share but have yet to. One of things mentioned in several sources but has had little followup is the Preserver-Defiler wars that precluded the Cleansing Wars and reemerged later.
#29 nytcrawlr Jan 02, 2004 15:40:05	Flip has the official timeline on his site, but it's currently dead in the water at present.
#30 zombiegleemax Jan 02, 2004 16:15:06	That's too bad. I was curious how well my jived with it. I use it far more often than I originally expected. I run a "Story Hour" on another site and refer to often. Most recently with Bodach, Irikos, the Silencer and a druid whom I forget his name.
#31 Grummore Jan 02, 2004 22:21:22	Originally posted by Pennarin megamania, an athasian timeline released by TSR way back can be found at the following address, Grummore's site. It is pretty detailled. Go at the address and then check 'Accessories', and then 'Athas Timeline'. Good luck! ;) Timeline Yeah ! Go there, you have the official timeline on my web site as well. Why not showing us your 20 pages timeline MegaM ?
#32 zombiegleemax Jan 03, 2004 6:32:18	Originally posted by Grummore Yeah ! Go there, you have the official timeline on my web site as well. Why not showing us your 20 pages timeline MegaM ? The original was typed up using an electronic typrwriter in college back in the early nineties and updated up through 96. I didn't get a computer until 2000. I have not GMed a group solely in Darksun since about 1998 so I have not seen a reason to do it. As proof of doing it ( I sense distrust) perhaps I'll type up a section and post it here. This timeline included things like when key characters were born as worked out using the books/novels and so on. It is perhaps OVER detailed.
#33 zombiegleemax Jan 03, 2004 6:48:24	The Blue Age Prior to 14,000 years ago Suggested Athas began as an elemental playground Elemental forces created halflings and early Kreen Athas begins as a water based world with islands dotting its surface Kreen creatures had wings and terrorized the islands as unthinking creatures Halflings survived by learning how to "life-shape" the organic substance called Nen Halflings created "repellars" of Kreen which attack regularly from West of Tyragi Halflings live in peace. Few civil disputers Rvk'choels are created during a conflict between halflings. Nature Benders vs Nature Masters Glerran Settled Pareth Settled Giustenal settled along shore. Streets are water canals Brown Tide accidently created. This pollutes and rerodes water allowing more land to show Exposed land grows grass and soon forests Halflings try to avoid the Brown tide by moving underground. Giustenal is primary site. Groaning city created by them at this time Exposed lands leads to new cities built by halflings. Included was Tyragi which is where Tyr currently stands The Green Rhul artifact is created for the purposes of exploration and defense The Jade Marquess is created Dal-Erat artifact is created. It records halfling history. Works to this day. Halflings begin to use Rahn-rath instead of Nen now. Rahn-rath creates sentinent life-shaped creatures and goods REBIRTH AGE 14,100 to 14,000 years ago Thamasku is settled. An island even then Halflings create the Pristine Tower to channel the sun's power Pristine Tower used to combat the Brown tide. Stops it but alters the suns color from blue to yellow This is but a small section. Looking at my "Everything Darksun" book I did retype it on a computer. I'll have to find the disk. Single spaced at size 10 it is 17 pages long.
#34 zombiegleemax Jan 03, 2004 6:51:09	Originally posted by Grummore Yeah ! Go there, you have the official timeline on my web site as well. Why not showing us your 20 pages timeline MegaM ? I printed it out last night and hope to look it over today. Good site by the way.
#35 nytcrawlr Jan 03, 2004 10:16:56	Originally posted by megamania The Blue Age Prior to 14,000 years ago Nice. You have my attention now, give me more! :D
#36 zombiegleemax Jan 03, 2004 11:19:30	Picking up where I left off..... Rhan-Thes-Onel, a halfling leader, leaves Thamasku to investigate what and how the water receded and the sun changed its color. He will never be heard from again. Githyanki War with Githzerai spills over into Athas Githyanki build several cities on Athas including Yathazor Githzerai use Psi-bomb against Githyanki that de-evolves them over the course of the next several generations. They will become the Gith of Athas Psi-bomb may have affected others by allowing wide spread development of psionics in a world without psionics Githyanki flee Athas after Githzeria destroy most cities of their creation on Athas Githyanki leave a psionic war creature on Athas...The Nightmare Beast The use of the Pristine Tower by halflings to stop the Brown tide mutates them. These mutations will become humans, elves, dwarves and etc.... Suggested that the halflings of Tyragi purposely arranged the mutations for unknown reasons. Legend has it that first "Elf" was known as Coraanu Sull, a halfling in fear of the rampant changes, becomes the LAST TREE to protect life from Life Shaping THE GREEN AGE 14,000 to 8000 years ago Climate of Tyr valley changes. It now resembles the NE of the United States complete with the four seasons. Cross- breeding occurs naturally between the races. 1/2 breeds dwell with pure bloods The new races settle or build new cities including Tyr*, Ebe, Bodach, Urik and Giustenal* * denotes rebuilding of halfling ruins Halflings develop psionics Elemental magic is discovered "Non-exsistant" gods are worshipped Giustenal and Saragar create psionic transportation systems similiar to today's subways. The artifact- Planar Gate is created through psionics The artifact- Psionatrix is created 12,000 Crown of dwarven Kings is created for the second Dwarven ruler- Thorin-Andiron 9000 Thesik, Barani and Kosveret are born. Will become the Mind Lords of Saragar 9000 Mareet of Saragar has a dream of the upcoming Cleansing Wars and conditions of the world. This dream was purposely given to him by Kosveret during the Age of Heroes as a warning 9000 Thesik and Kosveret are given the task of trying to see the far future. It takes them 20 years to develop their powers to do so. They see the Cleansing Wars 9000 Thesik and Kosveret try to save Saragar from the Cleansing Wars by taking control of it 9000 Saragar closes its gates to all visitors suddenly and with no explaination Guardians are created to protect Saragar. These psychic obsideon orbs are designed to drive would be visitors away Godshold is built to honor the gods Book of Kemalok Kings is begun. Book gives details of Dwarves and their people. Much of history can be found within. Including the history that has lead them to where they are now Laq is discovered and used as a painkiller. Cocaine-type drug that eventually gives Magic Resistance once magic is discovered. TIME OF MAGIC 8000-3500 years ago As you can see....this was thourough but designed for a DM to use as a tool for stories. Most of the info I give was straight out of the books. Some was deduced by piecing it together in a logical manner of.."for this to occur..this would happen first..." Exact times are not given until much later. I tried to narrow the dates down as much as possible. .....is this off topic? well- Irikos will be mentioned soon enough
#37 nytcrawlr Jan 03, 2004 12:56:12	It's quite a ways off according to the official timeline, but it's a good start and not a bad guess by going just what is in the official products and such.
#38 flip Jan 03, 2004 13:51:08	Originally posted by NytCrawlr Flip has the official timeline on his site, but it's currently dead in the water at present. http://68.49.107.95/sands/timeline.html Was compiled by Kevin Melka, last head of DS at TSR. This is the official version of the history.
#39 zombiegleemax Jan 03, 2004 21:24:56	Looks right. I see he is using Rise and Fall in his historical notes. It is neat to see how the translations between his list, the author's presenting it and my compiling it differ. With a few exceptions, they jive well. Time of clerical magic I either got wrong or choise a different source as the "official" one as many events had two dates given; thus why I said I needed to place things in order to make sense. Thankyou for the list.
#40 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 12:42:43	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas Will you runts keep it down? I'm trying to get some sleep. *slams shut the doors to the Blue Shrine* Sorry I always thought you ran the Psionics School at the Nexus
#41 zombiegleemax Jan 23, 2006 10:27:23	Sorry I always thought you ran the Psionics School at the Nexus isn't Gulem the gray running the Nexus?