Circle of Death: You control the undead.
Death Knell: Just a Powers check.
Destruction: Exactly as you described.
Finger of Death: You get a chance to control the undead. And if you don't... it's a
zombie. Shouldn't be too much trouble, and you should outrun it easily. Horrid Wilting: not an instant death spell.
Implosion: Not even mentioned.
Phantasmal Killer: Not mentioned.
Slay Living: Just a Powers check.
Wail of the Banshee: Exactly as you described.
That's approximately 3 out of 8 "instant death" spells that make their victims into undead. Of those, one of them immediately gives you control of the undead, and another gives you a chance to control it.
What's the comlaint?
Originally posted by Crossover-Chronicler
Finger of Death: You get a chance to control the undead. And if you don't... it's a
You haven't seen Van Richten's Guide to the Walking Dead
Originally posted by LocdOut
I'm not complaining i'm stating it's kinda whack,
the difference being?and Horrid Wilting is close enough to being instant death heh...and you have to be there when the body reanimates to gain control over it.
Three days is plenty of time to either return to the scene of the crime, or else destroy the victim's body.
Also if you are there they have to roll to see if they fail a will save if they fail a will save then they are under your control.
Yeah. See my above comment about Zombies.
There was also one of those spells where they come back there is no roll to see if their under your control they come back eventually and seek vengence on you.
Destruction only reanimates the victim under a very specific set of circumstances.
The only other instant death spell that gives you no chance of control is wail of the banshee.
'Course, since most of these spells require Powers checks, they're generally going to be used by villains or villains-to-be.
More incentive to be a hero :P
Oh, and I nenver knew using an instant death spell on a bad guy would require a powers check that makes no sense. So do you have to do a powers check whenever killing a bad guy any way? I haven't played much 3rd edition Ravenloft. I just started playing 3rd edition recently...
Originally posted by LocdOut
The difference being that making a statement isn't complaining it's making a statement.
Complaining is continuosly bringing the matter up and always have something bad to say about it. I have made the statement once therefor it's not complaining...
I always defined "complaining" as "making a complaint." Meaning: If you have a problem, and you mention it, then you are complaining, which is not a bad thing (squeaky wheel, grease, all that). There are less charitable words for always bringing it up, but out of respect for the Mods I'll just call that "whining."
Oh, and I nenver knew using an instant death spell on a bad guy would require a powers check that makes no sense.
Almost every necromantic spell requires a Dark Powers check. The only ones I can think of off-hand that do not are disrupt undead and detect undead. Therefore, instant death spells like destruction and wail if the banshee demand Dark Powers checks. However, Phantasmal Killer does not.
So do you have to do a powers check whenever killing a bad guy any way?
No. Unless you use a method that requires a DP check anyway, such as an [evil] spell, a necromantic spell, a similar magic item. Or if you do so in a way that leads to another transgression, such as poisoning their entire family. Technically, brutal or premeditated murder visited upon an evil NPC or monster is a 2-3% chance for failure; if your goals for kiling them were altruistic, the chance of failure would be a measly 1%. However, killing in self-defense is never a Powers check, and many DMs will not make a check for the death of a villain who obviously needed to die. The book itself tends to discourage looking for excuses to drag PCs down the road to corruption, but the potential is there.
I haven't played much 3rd edition Ravenloft. I just started playing 3rd edition recently...
Welcome
Originally posted by LocdOut
Oh, and I nenver knew using an instant death spell on a bad guy would require a powers check that makes no sense. I just started playing 3rd edition recently...
Though there some people who would contest it I think its axiomatic in Ravenloft that the ends don't justify the means. The Darklords and cursed individuals are posterchildren for this. As a "good guy" there are things you can't do without suffering repercussions. In RL instant death spells tapping the forces of necromancy are tainted.
-Eric Gorman