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#1
jihun-nish
Dec 23, 2003 19:28:18 Although I never played the Alternaty setting I was always intrigued by one of the main races unique to the setting. Thus when I saw an article in Dragon#251 which described them for other setting I was thrilled.

Of course they would live outside the Athasian dominion as we know it to this they. For those of you who can look them up, what do you think of a possible Athasian Sesheyan??? ( I wont describe them since I'm not sure if I'm allowed)

And please dont just tell me/us; yes or no you would like/dont like them.... tell me /us why!!
#2
zombiegleemax
Dec 24, 2003 9:09:11 Seshayan (sp?, its been a while) rocked! I don't see why they couldn't make an appearance on Athas if you wanted them to. Then again, the other races could also be incorporated. Fraal fit in with their high end psionics, even mechanus, if renamed and given access to rhulisti life shapes instead of machines. Heck, even t'sa and weren wouldn't be entirely out of place. As long as you fit them all in with continuity, it would make for a very interesting bit of campaigning. Some aspects of the races would have to be tweaked slightly to fit (like the sesheyan innocence for example). I would suggest trying to track down the other Dragon articles that featured the other races as well, they were all well written and very insightfull (I don't know which issues offhand).
#3
irdeggman
Dec 24, 2003 13:54:12 Pristine Tower anyone?

Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway?
#4
jihun-nish
Dec 24, 2003 16:55:36
Originally posted by irdeggman
Pristine Tower anyone?

Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway?

Your not refering to Athas Heh! when you say 3 suns
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 24, 2003 17:01:05 Isn't there a passage in Prism Pentad (I think first three books) that discusses the "New Races?" Not referring to elves, dwarves, etc. This was a term the common demi-humans used for the REALLY weird stuff that appeared in the desert from time to time. Like Nikaals, Ssurans, etc.

I know I read this somewhere. If this is right, your Alternity dude is perfect for this sort of thing.

So is the stuff in Savage Species and MM 2. Tauric Braxat/Mekillot anyone? Reptillian templates, insectoid templates, all sorts of stuff. How about War Inix's? You see where I'm going.
#6
irdeggman
Dec 24, 2003 18:11:03
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
Your not refering to Athas Heh! when you say 3 suns

Yup ;) , but Athas is a world without a lot of naturally ocurring shadows so the statement of Sesheyan having a real difficult time on Athas was correct. They do have much larger light penalties than races historically associated with darkness (MM goblins, etc.) Because of this it would be hard to introduce them as anything but a subteranean style race.

I've played a lot of Alternity and one of our players ran a Sesheyan. They have a lot of 'neat' abilities but are drastically hampered by light. If this 'weakness' isn't incorporated then they are a far too powerful race for any setting, without a proper level adjustment that is. 8 eyes (high perception and great night vision), flying, etc.
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 25, 2003 9:20:57
Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway?

Athas has only 1 sun, and two seemingly large moons. Several pictures 'seem' to have multiple suns in them (the first DS box set for example), but these are simply the moons Ral and Guthay.

As for the light penalty, there's no reason why sesheyans can't be a nocturnal species in general. As with most high temperature desert environments, you would actually have more night life than normal. Nocturnal creatures would number at the least twice as many as daytime dwellers. The flight ability of the sesheyans easily corresponds with that of the aarakocra. The zero-g training is irrelevant on Athas. Their eyes allow for low light vision (or is it night vision in 3e?). All in all, they are likely to have less of an ECL than aarakocra (who gain claw attacks as well as diving, etc). Quite an interesting candidate for those who want a lower starting level flying race.
#8
jihun-nish
Dec 25, 2003 13:49:34 So all in all you guys like the idea of having the sesheyan as an Athasian race(somewhere) !!

Now if only someone (better then me for that sort of conversion) could convert the Sesheyan to 3.5 rd ed. :D
#9
Kamelion
Dec 27, 2003 6:59:39
How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway?

So now it's three???? :D Sheesh, I thougt two was bad enough...
#10
irdeggman
Dec 27, 2003 9:01:25
Originally posted by Kamelion
So now it's three???? :D Sheesh, I thougt two was bad enough...

Alright I get it - no one can take a joke:D

Athas just is really hot, bright (real lack of humidity and hence few clouds) and nothing to keep the winds from causng extreme damage (not all that much vegetation).

So it can seem like it has 3 suns
#11
zombiegleemax
Dec 27, 2003 15:34:04
Alright I get it - no one can take a joke

Its stated in plain text in the new Board Rules CoC that there will no longer be joking of any kind in these boards, even when in reference to 'in game' or 'in character' joking, said jokes shall only be alluded to and not stated explicitly. Please read article 9, subsection A-24.275 though J-7.6 if you require any more detailed information.

Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day
#12
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Dec 27, 2003 16:10:39
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day

The Computer is your friend. If you don't like the Computer, it will use you for deflector panneling. Happy Citizens have lasers. Commie Mutant Traitors have lasers. You can't tell the difference between Happy Citizens and Commie Mutant Traitors. Aren't you glad you have a laser too?
#13
irdeggman
Dec 27, 2003 19:08:59 Ahh that must be why I've been having computer troubles lately. Here I though it was personal on the machines' part and not their following the humor protocol. Silly me.:D
#14
Kamelion
Dec 28, 2003 7:18:20
So it can seem like it has 3 suns

One of my players misinterpreted a Brom picture for years and long held the belief that Athas had two suns. Only found out a couple of months ago. Stranger than fiction...
#15
nytcrawlr
Dec 29, 2003 10:50:40
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Its stated in plain text in the new Board Rules CoC that there will no longer be joking of any kind in these boards, even when in reference to 'in game' or 'in character' joking, said jokes shall only be alluded to and not stated explicitly. Please read article 9, subsection A-24.275 though J-7.6 if you require any more detailed information.

Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day

I give that a 9.5 for imaginative, new, Mach wit. :D
#16
zombiegleemax
Jan 02, 2004 20:53:13 Pristine tower mutations allow ANYTHING the GM wants to come/arrive/be.

Its good to be the GM:D
#17
jihun-nish
Jan 03, 2004 16:33:43 Could we come back to the main idea of this thread??
#18
zombiegleemax
Jan 04, 2004 14:31:32 Alright- Sesheyans

I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs.

I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below.

They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there.
#19
jihun-nish
Jan 06, 2004 1:50:35
Originally posted by megamania
Alright- Sesheyans

I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs.

Are you suggesting by that(dwelling in the lower parts) that they(as a race) would be somesort of magical result of the twisted magic of the swamp??

I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below.

I could envision this as well since they could be the result of a long forgotten Life-shaped guardien creature that evolved into a sentient race(that was my primary idea of introduction)

They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there.

Why not. I would also add that they would be few(less then 2000 in all of the JC region.)
#20
jihun-nish
Jan 06, 2004 1:55:28
Originally posted by megamania
Alright- Sesheyans

I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs.

Are you suggesting by that(dwelling in the lower parts) that they(as a race) would be somesort of magical result of the twisted magic of the swamp??

I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below.

I could envision this as well since they could be the result of a long forgotten Life-shaped guardien creature that evolved into a sentient race(that was my primary idea of introduction)

They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there.

Why not. I would also add that they would be few(less then 2000 in all of the JC region.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jihun-nish Dec 23, 2003 19:28:18	Although I never played the Alternaty setting I was always intrigued by one of the main races unique to the setting. Thus when I saw an article in Dragon#251 which described them for other setting I was thrilled. Of course they would live outside the Athasian dominion as we know it to this they. For those of you who can look them up, what do you think of a possible Athasian Sesheyan??? ( I wont describe them since I'm not sure if I'm allowed) And please dont just tell me/us; yes or no you would like/dont like them.... tell me /us why!!
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 24, 2003 9:09:11	Seshayan (sp?, its been a while) rocked! I don't see why they couldn't make an appearance on Athas if you wanted them to. Then again, the other races could also be incorporated. Fraal fit in with their high end psionics, even mechanus, if renamed and given access to rhulisti life shapes instead of machines. Heck, even t'sa and weren wouldn't be entirely out of place. As long as you fit them all in with continuity, it would make for a very interesting bit of campaigning. Some aspects of the races would have to be tweaked slightly to fit (like the sesheyan innocence for example). I would suggest trying to track down the other Dragon articles that featured the other races as well, they were all well written and very insightfull (I don't know which issues offhand).
#3 irdeggman Dec 24, 2003 13:54:12	Pristine Tower anyone? Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway?
#4 jihun-nish Dec 24, 2003 16:55:36	Originally posted by irdeggman Pristine Tower anyone? Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway? Your not refering to Athas Heh! when you say 3 suns
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 24, 2003 17:01:05	Isn't there a passage in Prism Pentad (I think first three books) that discusses the "New Races?" Not referring to elves, dwarves, etc. This was a term the common demi-humans used for the REALLY weird stuff that appeared in the desert from time to time. Like Nikaals, Ssurans, etc. I know I read this somewhere. If this is right, your Alternity dude is perfect for this sort of thing. So is the stuff in Savage Species and MM 2. Tauric Braxat/Mekillot anyone? Reptillian templates, insectoid templates, all sorts of stuff. How about War Inix's? You see where I'm going.
#6 irdeggman Dec 24, 2003 18:11:03	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish Your not refering to Athas Heh! when you say 3 suns Yup ;) , but Athas is a world without a lot of naturally ocurring shadows so the statement of Sesheyan having a real difficult time on Athas was correct. They do have much larger light penalties than races historically associated with darkness (MM goblins, etc.) Because of this it would be hard to introduce them as anything but a subteranean style race. I've played a lot of Alternity and one of our players ran a Sesheyan. They have a lot of 'neat' abilities but are drastically hampered by light. If this 'weakness' isn't incorporated then they are a far too powerful race for any setting, without a proper level adjustment that is. 8 eyes (high perception and great night vision), flying, etc.
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 25, 2003 9:20:57	Seshayan would have a real hard time on Athas, since they are creatures of the dark and have pretty high penalties when functioning in light. How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway? Athas has only 1 sun, and two seemingly large moons. Several pictures 'seem' to have multiple suns in them (the first DS box set for example), but these are simply the moons Ral and Guthay. As for the light penalty, there's no reason why sesheyans can't be a nocturnal species in general. As with most high temperature desert environments, you would actually have more night life than normal. Nocturnal creatures would number at the least twice as many as daytime dwellers. The flight ability of the sesheyans easily corresponds with that of the aarakocra. The zero-g training is irrelevant on Athas. Their eyes allow for low light vision (or is it night vision in 3e?). All in all, they are likely to have less of an ECL than aarakocra (who gain claw attacks as well as diving, etc). Quite an interesting candidate for those who want a lower starting level flying race.
#8 jihun-nish Dec 25, 2003 13:49:34	So all in all you guys like the idea of having the sesheyan as an Athasian race(somewhere) !! Now if only someone (better then me for that sort of conversion) could convert the Sesheyan to 3.5 rd ed. :D
#9 Kamelion Dec 27, 2003 6:59:39	How bright is a world with 3 suns anyway? So now it's three???? :D Sheesh, I thougt two was bad enough...
#10 irdeggman Dec 27, 2003 9:01:25	Originally posted by Kamelion So now it's three???? :D Sheesh, I thougt two was bad enough... Alright I get it - no one can take a joke:D Athas just is really hot, bright (real lack of humidity and hence few clouds) and nothing to keep the winds from causng extreme damage (not all that much vegetation). So it can seem like it has 3 suns
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 27, 2003 15:34:04	Alright I get it - no one can take a joke Its stated in plain text in the new Board Rules CoC that there will no longer be joking of any kind in these boards, even when in reference to 'in game' or 'in character' joking, said jokes shall only be alluded to and not stated explicitly. Please read article 9, subsection A-24.275 though J-7.6 if you require any more detailed information. Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day
#12 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 27, 2003 16:10:39	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day The Computer is your friend. If you don't like the Computer, it will use you for deflector panneling. Happy Citizens have lasers. Commie Mutant Traitors have lasers. You can't tell the difference between Happy Citizens and Commie Mutant Traitors. Aren't you glad you have a laser too?
#13 irdeggman Dec 27, 2003 19:08:59	Ahh that must be why I've been having computer troubles lately. Here I though it was personal on the machines' part and not their following the humor protocol. Silly me.:D
#14 Kamelion Dec 28, 2003 7:18:20	So it can seem like it has 3 suns One of my players misinterpreted a Brom picture for years and long held the belief that Athas had two suns. Only found out a couple of months ago. Stranger than fiction...
#15 nytcrawlr Dec 29, 2003 10:50:40	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Its stated in plain text in the new Board Rules CoC that there will no longer be joking of any kind in these boards, even when in reference to 'in game' or 'in character' joking, said jokes shall only be alluded to and not stated explicitly. Please read article 9, subsection A-24.275 though J-7.6 if you require any more detailed information. Thank you Citizen. The Computer insists that you have a good day I give that a 9.5 for imaginative, new, Mach wit. :D
#16 zombiegleemax Jan 02, 2004 20:53:13	Pristine tower mutations allow ANYTHING the GM wants to come/arrive/be. Its good to be the GM:D
#17 jihun-nish Jan 03, 2004 16:33:43	Could we come back to the main idea of this thread??
#18 zombiegleemax Jan 04, 2004 14:31:32	Alright- Sesheyans I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs. I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below. They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there.
#19 jihun-nish Jan 06, 2004 1:50:35	Originally posted by megamania Alright- Sesheyans I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs. Are you suggesting by that(dwelling in the lower parts) that they(as a race) would be somesort of magical result of the twisted magic of the swamp?? I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below. I could envision this as well since they could be the result of a long forgotten Life-shaped guardien creature that evolved into a sentient race(that was my primary idea of introduction) They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there. Why not. I would also add that they would be few(less then 2000 in all of the JC region.)
#20 jihun-nish Jan 06, 2004 1:55:28	Originally posted by megamania Alright- Sesheyans I pulled out Dragon 251 to look it up. My guess is they belong on the lower level of Jagged cliffs. They would prefer the warm jungle/swamp environment and their wing use would be best on the cliffs. Are you suggesting by that(dwelling in the lower parts) that they(as a race) would be somesort of magical result of the twisted magic of the swamp?? I can see them being friendly with the Halfling there. They would like the halflings, the halflings would tolerate them as the annoying neighbors from below. I could envision this as well since they could be the result of a long forgotten Life-shaped guardien creature that evolved into a sentient race(that was my primary idea of introduction) They would be pranksters to the halflings. They would avoid the swamp creatures...just collect the fruit and food found there. Why not. I would also add that they would be few(less then 2000 in all of the JC region.)